China Wuhan Virus Pandemic
- Thread starter Arch Dornan
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People lying about Trump, or lying about things to because they either wanted to hurt Trump, or simply not be associated with him by agreeing with him, has cost possibly hundreds of thousands of lives.
The attacks on HCQ were all about going 'Orange Man Bad', the dismissal of the Lab Theory was about not wanting to say Trump was right (and people are straight admitting it now), and you want to pretend that those facts are 'off-topic' for this?!
Trump did claim it was from a lab pretty early on.
However I would not say he should want credit for the vaccines, given all the nasty side-effects that have been noted, and how the vaccines are now being used to increase Dem social control via the 'vaccine passports'.
He still should take credit. Because I he doesn't Biden will and that will be used to boost him as the president who ended COVID
Well, I guess that is one way to look at it.
I guess in the end it is true that all that matters anymore is narrative, and how it can be used for or against a subject or group.
That has always mattered
Facts used to matter more than narrative, or at least that was what people were told was how the world was supposed to work.
Wu Flu has killed that too.
Look at WW2 Germany.
That's not something the US should want to emulate.
It goes back to before then as well to bulshivik revolution etc.
Propaganda is a useful tool that has existed for centuries
Yet we as a society lie to our youth for generations that facts matter more than narrative, that science is apolitical, and that cheaters never prosper.
At least the youth of today will grow up with no such illusions.
Truth is always subjective to the person speaking it.
Ah yes, the old Obi-Wan Corallary.
Megadeath
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What, exactly, am I deflecting from? Someone said people only dislike Trump because of China, I said that whether you agree with it or not there are other reasons, then a third person said "What about these other people, who did other bad things?"
I mean off topic to anything I had said. Did people lying about what Trump said cause deaths? Sure, you go ahead and believe it, I can't be bothered to argue about that. What I was arguing with was only the idea people only dislike trump 'coz china.
And those seem to be people who can't or won't distinguish between one thing and another. Intelligent, sane humans know that you can dislike someone and still agree with him when he's actually right.
Megadeath
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I'd agree with that last bit but I'd also point out that once again whether it's right or wrong there were plenty of people who suffered from association with trump, sometimes because of him or sometimes because of his opponents.
The One Char
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You're trying to say
isn't deflecting? Then again, you're not here to debate so much as you are to preach.
"Orange Man Bad" is no excuse for scientific malpractice.
Unless you mean that the scientists were afraid to speak up, because it would get them attacked by the anti-Trump people?
Chaos Marine
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Of course. He was getting shat on non-stop by people who are objectively worse than him morally speaking. So much so that scientists were literally refusing to do their jobs either for fear of the people who hate Trump or because they're just as bad as those people. If you want an example of this happening, look at the creator of Five Nights at Freddy's. Because he's a republican and donated to republicans he's been threatened and there are doxx attempts for his home and pregnant wife. In fairness to the scientist, fears of being subjected to similar ordeals may be the primary example they kept quiet and it would be very understandable.
As I said before, I want to emphasis that for five years Trump was relentless and ever increasingly intensely smeared by the media, Hollywood elite, social media giants etc. That all adds up. A "comedian" held up a bloodied replica of his dismembered head and people cheered for it. I don't think you give due credit to what the constant bombardment of "Orange man bad," agitprop has on people and how they perceive Trump. It's literal brainwashing.
Simonbob
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What I found amazing was the amount of it that turned up in Australia. I had to point out to a left leaning friend of mine that the President of the US was blocked from social media , before she realised just how big this was.
Chaos Marine
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And he was banned for false reasons too. He tweeted that he wanted a peaceful, law abiding display and instead the call for a peaceful and law abiding march was ignored for the part where he asked for a march. As we all know, authoritarians don't care about nuance or context. Just whatever tidbit they can spin to give them the results they want.