China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

[Megadeath]

Leftists and liberals shouldn’t be pretending to give a fuck about right of association or businesses at this stage.

1. Guys on your side were the ones talking about mostly peaceful protests and how insurance would cover any burnt down business or homes.

Your side also subjected this country to a lockdown that was supposed to last two weeks to flatten the curve, and then turned it into a lockdown dragging on for months.

Putting god knows how many small businesses under while allowing the larger corporations to operate almost unimpeded in comparison.

Your side has almost singlehandedly overseen one of the most obscene wealth transfers from the middle class to the already wealthy corporatists that this country has seen since the Gilded Age.

So let’s cut the shit, and not pretend that your side actually give a fuck about smaller businesses.

2. The left has never cared about the right of people to freely associate. They only ever bring it up when it’s their political enemies being put against the metaphorical wall.

3. A business has no right to my private medical data. They have no right to demand that I hand over medical documentation to prove that I have been vaccinated.

Besides that, I will not be brow beaten and bullied by anyone, government or business, into putting something into my body.

The fact that leftists are alright with this, when in other cases they preach endlessly about bodily autonomy, merely proves their hypocrisy.

Lol.

1. I'm not American. I have no connection whatsoever with the American left.
2. This kind of sad "Us vs Them" mentality to politics, exacerbated by the two party system, is one of the biggest social issues facing many modern countries. Both sides (As if there's actually only two!) of the political spectrum are made up of individuals, with their own interests, priorities and problems. That they're lumped into either Republican or Democrat party by the failings of the American system does not make them a homogeneous hive mind of shared beliefs. Acting like "the other side" and everyone on it is part of a unified front with shared plans and ambitions is just stupid. Just look at the threads on this site talking about LGBT and the right, or religion's place in politics to see how people on the "same side" can sharply disagree, and keep in mind that any sweeping generalisation of politics leads to that.
3. For me personally, I work for a small business. Fortunately, I live in a country with a government that at least sort of does care about individuals and small businesses, so the disease never took major hold because our government took appropriate action early enough, and when we were forced to close for lockdowns, and operating at reduced capacity for months after as people practiced social distancing, the government helped ensure minimal impact to us. Regardless, it's pretty stupid to say I don't care about small business when you don't know shit about me.
4. Regardless of how you think democrats feel about freedom of association, it's generally an important issue to other people who share your views. Are you saying you actually don't care about it as a right, or does someone else's moral hypocrisy somehow magically excuse your own?
5. You're not being bullied and brow beaten into putting something in your body. You're looking at facing consequences for choosing not to. Freedom of choice doesn't mean freedom from consequences, and businesses and individuals have solid medical and economic reasons for putting those consequences in place.

In short, your response just sounds like childish what-aboutism. "The 'left' don't care, why should I? If the other team wants it, it must be bad!"

 

[Cherico]

Lol.

1. I'm not American. I have no connection whatsoever with the American left.
2. This kind of sad "Us vs Them" mentality to politics, exacerbated by the two party system, is one of the biggest social issues facing many modern countries. Both sides (As if there's actually only two!) of the political spectrum are made up of individuals, with their own interests, priorities and problems. That they're lumped into either Republican or Democrat party by the failings of the American system does not make them a homogeneous hive mind of shared beliefs. Acting like "the other side" and everyone on it is part of a unified front with shared plans and ambitions is just stupid. Just look at the threads on this site talking about LGBT and the right, or religion's place in politics to see how people on the "same side" can sharply disagree, and keep in mind that any sweeping generalisation of politics leads to that.
3. For me personally, I work for a small business. Fortunately, I live in a country with a government that at least sort of does care about individuals and small businesses, so the disease never took major hold because our government took appropriate action early enough, and when we were forced to close for lockdowns, and operating at reduced capacity for months after as people practiced social distancing, the government helped ensure minimal impact to us. Regardless, it's pretty stupid to say I don't care about small business when you don't know shit about me.
4. Regardless of how you think democrats feel about freedom of association, it's generally an important issue to other people who share your views. Are you saying you actually don't care about it as a right, or does someone else's moral hypocrisy somehow magically excuse your own?
5. You're not being bullied and brow beaten into putting something in your body. You're looking at facing consequences for choosing not to. Freedom of choice doesn't mean freedom from consequences, and businesses and individuals have solid medical and economic reasons for putting those consequences in place.

In short, your response just sounds like childish what-aboutism. "The 'left' don't care, why should I? If the other team wants it, it must be bad!"

Your not an american so what makes you so arrogant as to think that you know more about what happening here then we the people who actually live in said country?

 

[Megadeath]

Your not an american so what makes you so arrogant as to think that you know more about what happening here then we the people who actually live in said country?

..? What have I actually said where that matters the tiniest little bit?

 

[Cherico]

..? What have I actually said where that matters the tiniest little bit?

you just told Storm eagle his views are not valid because you do not live in his country.

The same thing you said also applies to you, because Storm eagle wasn't talking about your country he was talking about his country. Your litterally guilty of the same thing your accusing him of being guilty of while at the same time being so arrogant as to think that you know more about the internal poltics he deals with then he does.

If you don't like being held to the same standard you hold every one else to then the problem is you.

Your standard is either too high and you need to adjust them to realistic levels or you need to start following your own rules.

 

[Megadeath]

you just told Storm eagle his views are not valid because you do not live in his country.

The same thing you said also applies to you, because Storm eagle wasn't talking about your country he was talking about his country. Your litterally guilty of the same thing your accusing him of being guilty of while at the same time being so arrogant as to think that you know more about the internal poltics he deals with then he does.

If you don't like being held to the same standard you hold every one else to then the problem is you.

Your standard is either too high and you need to adjust them to realistic levels or you need to start following your own rules.

You have sadly misunderstood what I said. I'd suggest reading the exchange again, but if that doesn't help I'll walk you through it?

 

[Jormungandr]

To be honest, just a few years ago I would have dismissed all this crazy conspiracy theory shit like the rest of you. However, recently? I honestly have some doubts niggling at me in the back of my mind.

The world has gone batshit insane, with the inmates ruling the asylum. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if there were some glimmers of truth to all this crazy shit.

 

[Megadeath]

To be honest, just a few years ago I would have dismissed all this crazy conspiracy theory shit like the rest of you. However, recently? I honestly have some doubts niggling at me in the back of my mind.

The world has gone batshit insane, with the inmates ruling the asylum. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if there were some glimmers of truth to all this crazy shit.

How do you mean that though? Because, for sure, there's individual politicians at national levels, and probably even groups at more local levels who've gone mad with power or always wanted to try on their fascist hat who think lockdown is great and should be used more often and longer purely because they like the sense of control. Certainly there's extremist environmental types who are stoked about not only the reduced pollution, but the actual loss of life as well, and would love to see both trends continue. It's undeniable fact that the companies and scientists involved with vaccine development were rushed under incredible pressure, and that unavoidably leads to issues. It's even possible that some billionaire big wigs are more concerned with the positive effect the coronavirus has had for their agenda or bottom line than with the down side to it.

In that sense, there's absolutely a glimmer of truth to most the things that the more crazy people are saying. It only gets crazy when people start assuming that these things represent the true desires of some murky conglomerate of all these groups, and start connecting the dots at random to jump to the conclusion that it's some vast, incredibly secretive cabal who are intentionally killing millions to advance some clever plot, and the vaccine is just the next sinister step.

It's crazy because it imparts group identity to wildly separate and even antagonistic groups, because it suggests a greater and more successful degree of secrecy than any earthly endeavour could achieve whilst also being so blatant and obvious that any random can figure it out and show people, and because if the groups and individuals were actually in cahoots and willing to work towards such things they could do it far more effectively.

 

[Terthna]

To be honest, just a few years ago I would have dismissed all this crazy conspiracy theory shit like the rest of you. However, recently? I honestly have some doubts niggling at me in the back of my mind.

The world has gone batshit insane, with the inmates ruling the asylum. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if there were some glimmers of truth to all this crazy shit.

A healthy amount of skepticism is good, but we've gotten to the point where a lot of people in this country, and all over the world, shut their brains off whenever they hear the word "conspiracy", and just assume whatever that label is attached to it can't be true by definition; because conspiracies don't exist. Unless it involves the designated "other"; then not only do they exist, but any accusation of wrongdoing on the "other's" part is automatically true.

 

[Aldarion]

 

[DarthOne]

A healthy amount of skepticism is good, but we've gotten to the point where a lot of people in this country, and all over the world, shut their brains off whenever they hear the word "conspiracy", and just assume whatever that label is attached to it can't be true by definition; because conspiracies don't exist. Unless it involves the designated "other"; then not only do they exist, but any accusation of wrongdoing on the "other's" part is automatically true.

The real conspiracy theorists believe that the government cares about them, the media would never mislead or lie to them and the pharmaceutical industry that makes billions off sickness wants to cure them.

 

[Bacle]

This is a new level of fucked up.

 

[ATP]

Last year president of Burundi Pierre Nkurunzira refused supporting WHO policy - and died before delegation go away.For "heart attack" they said.
Those year President of Tanzania John Magufuli who use CV test on papaya and goat,get positive result and thuse made WHO laughting stock died,too.
Both do not belived in vaccines and refused to treat CV as pandemy.Becouse it is not - real pandemy kill at least 5% of population in months.
Tanzania has 60 millions of people,if they really have pandemy and do nothing,there would be eat least 3 millions deat people there.

It seems,that politicians who do not agree to become covidian belivers are removed.

 

[BlackDragon98]

Last year president of Burundi Pierre Nkurunzira refused supporting WHO policy - and died before delegation go away.For "heart attack" they said.
Those year President of Tanzania John Magufuli who use CV test on papaya and goat,get positive result and thuse made WHO laughting stock died,too.
Both do not belived in vaccines and refused to treat CV as pandemy.Becouse it is not - real pandemy kill at least 5% of population in months.
Tanzania has 60 millions of people,if they really have pandemy and do nothing,there would be eat least 3 millions deat people there.

It seems,that politicians who do not agree to become covidian belivers are removed.

By infecting them with Corona Strain Z, MK III, the finished product the Chinese would have produced had the virus not escaped the lab.

 

[Jormungandr]

This is a new level of fucked up.

I get the feeling the guy is going to get booted out on his ass very quickly.

Edit: we also need a "thoughtful"? "contemplative"? reaction.

 

[Bassoe]

What would the point of a conspiracy to make vaccinations that secretly sterilized people be? The rising cost of raising children already has first worlder populations below replacement rates without the addition of foreigners, there's no reason for the elites to risk everything on such a conspiracy to accomplish results they're getting anyway from unrelated causes.

 

[Sir 1000]

What would the point of a conspiracy to make vaccinations that secretly sterilized people be? The rising cost of raising children already has first worlder populations below replacement rates without the addition of foreigners, there's no reason for the elites to risk everything on such a conspiracy to accomplish results they're getting anyway from unrelated causes.

Purely speculating here, but maybe because they are ''chuds'' and they don't want drump back of course.
Edit: Can i get this vile commie ''comrade'' shit removed from my noble and august profile?

 

[Megadeath]

Purely speculating here, but maybe because they are ''chuds'' and they don't want drump back of course.
Edit: Can i get this vile commie ''comrade'' shit removed from my noble and august profile?

Greetings comrade!

You might need to explain this a whole lot more. How on earth would any secret sterilisation effort have any effect whatsoever on the vanishingly small likelihood of trump getting re-elected?

 

[Bacle]

What would the point of a conspiracy to make vaccinations that secretly sterilized people be? The rising cost of raising children already has first worlder populations below replacement rates without the addition of foreigners, there's no reason for the elites to risk everything on such a conspiracy to accomplish results they're getting anyway from unrelated causes.

Well, how about them thinking they are on an 'enviromental time crunch'?

People on the Right seem to really not get how much environmental issues, real or overblown, might be factoring in to something like this.

As well, as long as nothing too official or nothing too compromisimg gets put spelling out said population reduction goals and how it could relate to the virus, any conspiracy involved in it is at no real risk if randos and such put the pieces together.

Because they know they control the media and military, so if it becomes a true issue for them, they can address it at will and keep it from being accepted or called out in ways that matter or by powers the do not control or cannot ignore.

 

[Aldarion]

What would the point of a conspiracy to make vaccinations that secretly sterilized people be? The rising cost of raising children already has first worlder populations below replacement rates without the addition of foreigners, there's no reason for the elites to risk everything on such a conspiracy to accomplish results they're getting anyway from unrelated causes.

This:

Well, how about them thinking they are on an 'enviromental time crunch'?

People on the Right seem to really not get how much environmental issues, real or overblown, might be factoring in to something like this.

As well, as long as nothing too official or nothing too compromisimg gets put spelling out said population reduction goals and how it could relate to the virus, any conspiracy involved in it is at no real risk if randos and such put the pieces together.

Because they know they control the media and military, so if it becomes a true issue for them, they can address it at will and keep it from being accepted or called out in ways that matter or by powers the do not control or cannot ignore.

And then there is also the fact that, for all their bluster about the "reason" and "logic", the Leftist elites are guided primarily by emotions. Many of the Left see white people as literal scourge of the Earth, especially the environmentalist elites mentioned by Bacle. So when you combine those two facts... Hitler gassing Jews was hardly logical, but it was still done. Communism itself is illogical, yet millions were killed for the sake of some stupid dystopian ideals. And so on.

 

[Bassoe]

Think of it from their view, what're they going to do if they've won and sterilized everyone who believed their propaganda that the vaccination was necessary. How is making it so that the sole criteria for reproductive success is distrusting the system supposed to help the system?