Warship Appreciation Thread

Husky_Khan

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US Navy Carriers (from top to bottom) USS Saratoga (CV-3), USS Lexington (CV-2), and USS Ranger (CV-4) off of Honululu, April 8, 1936.

The Original OG Carrier, the USS Langley is missing. Later in 1936 the Langley would begin conversion into a seaplane tender with many of its veteran pilots being transferred to the Saratoga and Lexington as a result.

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bintananth

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ooh, a submarine cruiser, I haven't heard of anyone trying to make one of those for a long while.
Seems more like a coastal U-boat with some added extras in terms of intended role: keeping unfriendly things away from your shores.

Torpedoes for the big things, deck gun for the small things.
 

bintananth

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It has I-400 style hangers for drones, a mast mounded gun, and deck mounted missile launchers by the look of things. The feature set just screams that it is attempting to turn a modern frigate into a submarine, so I woudl very much classify it as a submarine cruiser.
It's only 72m (236ft 3in) long.

The hangars for drones/boats can't be much larger than what's needed for a RHIB as opposed to large enough for three partially disassembled seaplanes capable of carrying bombs. A Harpoon AShM is 22ft long and what it's depicted with isn't that big. The torpedoes are 324mm (12.75in) and the deck gun is an autocannon.

It ain't packing the big stuff.

An I-400 was about the same size as a Los Angeles-class SSN. This thing is much smaller.
 

Agent23

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It's only 72m (236ft 3in) long.

The hangars for drones/boats can't be much larger than what's needed for a RHIB as opposed to large enough for three partially disassembled seaplanes capable of carrying bombs. A Harpoon AShM is 22ft long and what it's depicted with isn't that big. The torpedoes are 324mm (12.75in) and the deck gun is an autocannon.

It ain't packing the big stuff.

An I-400 was about the same size as a Los Angeles-class SSN. This thing is much smaller.
The Goroshkov-class frigates are literally 2x longer and 4x heavier, and this thing is listed as a patrol ship, also the original release puts an emphasis on client needs.
IMHO this is heavily targeted for export, assuming it even gets off the ground.

Probably to places like Iran and Syria and maybe the Philippines.
 

bintananth

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The Goroshkov-class frigates are literally 2x longer and 4x heavier, and this thing is listed as a patrol ship, also the original release puts an emphasis on client needs.
IMHO this is heavily targeted for export, assuming it even gets off the ground.

Probably to places like Iran and Syria and maybe the Philippines.
The 4,000nmi@10kts range is a dead giveaway that it's not meant for long open-ocean patrols.

São Roque, Brazil, to Cape Palmas, Liberia and back without refueling is 3,540nmi. That's the short two-way trip.

An I-400 could hypothtically do the "tea-clipper" circumnavigation of the globe with about 10,000nmi of fuel left when it gets back to Britain to deliver the tea it picked up in China along the way without refuelling.
 

Captain X

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Sure wouldn't mind having one of those. :devilish:

And with everyone bringing up the I-400, I can't help but feel a bit sad that we didn't manage to keep at least one of them without feeling the need to scuttle it.
 

bintananth

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Sure wouldn't mind having one of those. :devilish:

And with everyone bringing up the I-400, I can't help but feel a bit sad that we didn't manage to keep at least one of them without feeling the need to scuttle it.
An I-400 was 70ft longer than its test depth. Too fussy to keep because messing up a dive could sink one.
 

Bacle

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Anyone else get Hrimfaxi and Scinfaxi or Tuatha de Danan vibes from this development?

Definitely would class as a submarine cruiser, or the nearest thing to one sense WW2.
 

bintananth

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Anyone else get Hrimfaxi and Scinfaxi or Tuatha de Danan vibes from this development?

Definitely would class as a submarine cruiser, or the nearest thing to one sense WW2.
No, I'm not getting that vibe.

Tuatha de Danan had a spacious hangar and flight deck which would make a CVN crew jealous.
 

Harlock

I should have expected that really
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The distinctive cage masts of the Battleships Idaho and Mississippi sunk by German dive bombers in 1941.



Not alternate history :) These are old US pre dreadnoughts sold to Greece and subsequently destroyed during the German invasion of Salamis (Better known for a much more successful naval battle)

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bintananth

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The distinctive cage masts of the Battleships Idaho and Mississippi sunk by German dive bombers in 1941.



Not alternate history :) These are old US pre dreadnoughts sold to Greece and subsequently destroyed during the German invasion of Salamis (Better known for a much more successful naval battle)

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IIRC Greece bought those from the US because the two dreadnoughts they ordered (one from France, one from Germany) in response to the two Turkey ordered from the UK (HMS Erin, HMS Agincourt in British service) probably weren't going to be delivered.
 

Aaron Fox

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... a US paper 'light cruiser' design using 5"/54cal DP automatics (12 of them in 6 dual mounts) and twelve 3" Mk37 automatics in twin mounts... basically an Atlanta 2.0. The sad reality was, the US managed to get some AA capability in their 152mm automatics... so the project was canned. However, the 5"/54 DP mounts would be used in future destroyers...
 

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