Bigking321
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Yeah, let's remember. For obama's first term both he and Hillary ran against gay marriage.
The party has radically changed since then.
United States Unidentified Federal Agents conducting unmarked vehicle snatches of protestors in Portland
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Yeah, let's remember. For obama's first term both he and Hillary ran against gay marriage.
The party has radically changed since then.
So... Some concrete accusations of abuse have come to light.
US Attorney Opens Investigation Into Arrests
What I want to know is...
-What is CPB doing making non-Immigration related arrests?
-Are the feds really using rental cars instead of unmarked cop cars? I doubt it, but if they are, that seems pretty skeevy.
Where I stand on this is that I want the feds to drop the hammer on Antifa and like-minded groups. I want Portland to be made an example of.
But I am quite convinced that the feds are capable of doing this legally, within the boundaries of their existing jurisdiction. Consider, for example, that many of these rioters have crossed state lines in order to riot. Congratulations. That is a federal offense, and that puts you in the jurisdiction of the big boys.
Frankly, I've heard this "Fight fire with fire" rhetoric before, and I'm not impressed. It's usually spoken by people who've never fought a fire in the first place, and don't realize how incredibly risky and hard to pull off it is.
You're presenting a false dilemma, because there is a middle ground between 'Don't fight back at all' and 'Abandon the Constitution'. And don't pretend that you can go back to constitutional norms after you've shredded them to bits. Look to Cicero. Once you've proven that you will dispense with law and justice for the sake of expedience, nobody will take you seriously when you try to stand on principle again.
US Attorney Opens Investigation Into Arrests
What I want to know is...
-What is CPB doing making non-Immigration related arrests?
-Are the feds really using rental cars instead of unmarked cop cars? I doubt it, but if they are, that seems pretty skeevy.
Where I stand on this is that I want the feds to drop the hammer on Antifa and like-minded groups. I want Portland to be made an example of.
But I am quite convinced that the feds are capable of doing this legally, within the boundaries of their existing jurisdiction. Consider, for example, that many of these rioters have crossed state lines in order to riot. Congratulations. That is a federal offense, and that puts you in the jurisdiction of the big boys.
Frankly, I've heard this "Fight fire with fire" rhetoric before, and I'm not impressed. It's usually spoken by people who've never fought a fire in the first place, and don't realize how incredibly risky and hard to pull off it is.
Ya know, I was going to quote Bacle, but I don't feel like digging through the thread and you'll do just as well.
You're presenting a false dilemma, because there is a middle ground between 'Don't fight back at all' and 'Abandon the Constitution'. And don't pretend that you can go back to constitutional norms after you've shredded them to bits. Look to Cicero. Once you've proven that you will dispense with law and justice for the sake of expedience, nobody will take you seriously when you try to stand on principle again.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
I think Republicans decided to at least “tolerate” or not care too much about LGBT types
As for the Centrists and Moderates, they end up voting Republican because as you’ve said the Left have moved even further Left and have really made things weird AF
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Just so you know, to a degree I think this could actually happen
Thing is though, most of this “army” won’t even be wearing proper body armor or professional uniforms
But one thing’s for sure the “Commissar” will have the most bullets of anyone around, if only to better shoot at the guys who only get to charge at the enemy with broken bottles and molotovs
Like most federal agencies they can be used for other means if they are given the permission to make said arrests. Mist likely since they are the nearest Federal agency capable of responding they are involved and have been given temporary jurisdiction and permission to make arrests.
And the DA of the city or state can do what ever, if they are being charged with Federal crimes, unless it is a Federal DA, they are not going to be able to do much.
Again, getting unmarked police cars may be more difficult since departments might be told not to support them.
Also the Army uses rentals. They are called TMPs. The vehicles apperently had federal plates. So they arnt a rental from your local enterprise
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I've actually, from my perspective, perceived that the GOP side is actually turning more moderate and widening their tent, to take in libertarian types, and the people left behind by democrats as the left skyrockets at mach 3 to further and further left wing, extremist positions.
2008-2016? Sure, I think their pendulum was swinging harder right. But since the left has started their spiral into insanity, I think the right wing has moderated themselves a bit. They don't seem to care about lgbt stuff anymore (good!) They tried to repeal Obamacare what, 50 times? Now they're just letting it be...and they've become the party of liberty and free speech instead of socially conservative authoritarianism.
They even recently tried to put out a bill for police reform!
If the GOP plays it right, they'll keep this up. Free speech, social liberty, freedom, tolerance for other ideas, and moderation are key. They can court all these people who used to be democrats who have been left behind. They can say "hey, we might not agree with you, but we aren't going to silence you or try to destroy the nation. There is a place for people like you, and while we may not give you everything you want, some of what you want is a better option than burning down the nation, isn't it?" It'll work. There are lots of people who can get behind that. People like myself. It might not make the hard right base happy, but where else will they have to go?
I've been saying for years that the left is making a mistake and needs to try to reach across aisles, and they've basically said "naw, fuck that, harder left! Baskets of deplorables!! REEEEEE!" Now there are swaths of people left behind with no where to go. The GOP can grab those votes if they play it smart.
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CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
@Rocinante
The other key is getting people to acknowledge these changes instead of getting stuck on the old and even fabricated images of them
They can have a Black Republican President and yet they’d still call them all white supremacists
The other key is getting people to acknowledge these changes instead of getting stuck on the old and even fabricated images of them
They can have a Black Republican President and yet they’d still call them all white supremacists
I've edited the post significantly to make my point a little better. You may or may not agree with it more now.
You're absolutely correct though. They need to acknowledge and run on this, and they'll fucking landslide. This isn't a time to dig into the trenches. This is a time to open your arms, widen the tent. Tell people, "hey, there is some sanity left in this country and you'll need to vote for us to keep it."
I don't trust people like Trump to play it smart like that, though. He often times lets them troll him, and plays into it too easily.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
NOICE, though I think you’re forgetting the plan for weaponizing large numbers of illegals
Anyway, better do this on a different thread
That said, if even the Feds are beginning to look up rioters, then there’s a chance that full arrests may occur
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
75% of this has always been the right wing platform, and 'tolerance' is arguable, depending on how you define it.
The idea that the modern Republican party was ever against these things, is purely Democrat propaganda. If you go back far enough I'm sure you'll find some different things, but at least since Reagan's time, the Republicans have absolutely pursued these things.
How much is Dem propaganda and how much is truth about how far-right types think is like trying to pin down Chernobyl's body count, at this point.
I've seen the dark sides of both the Left and Right; they are not so dissimilar as you would all like to think.
You’ve seen nothing and you don’t even really care much for free speech yourself anyways. You care more about optics and looking nice to the left and moderates than you do for actual freedom of ideas and expression.
King Krávoka
An infection of Your universe.
Advocate systemic oppression of women and minorities:
Speak the forbidden Gamer Word:
Good to see, but I'm wondering if the use of CPB agents for arrests that have nothing to do with immigration are legal and usual.
And you cannot grock that the center is the real power broker, thus the ones you do need to bring on side. Why you think swing states are a thing?
I'm trying to help the Right fight smarter and pick it's battles, not waste energy of fights you won't win. But that's not 'alpha' enough for you, and you cannot tolerate compromise any more than the Far-Left can. You prefer to be a martyr rather than learn to live with imperfect compromises and adapt to the modern age. You're mostly butthurt I don't play nice with the Far-Right, and dare to fight both fringes at once, and that the GOP leadership seem more in tune with my views than yours and the Far-Right's.
I care for freedom of speech, but I'm not for giving either fringe a free pass, and am willing to fight both fringes with any means available. Or are you upset I'm not silently letting blackpills and the far-right dominate discourse here?
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Dude I read just the other day probably the farthest right novel in the last fifty years. The far right and far left as extremely different in what they want and what they value.
There are some structural similarities, and a condemnation of certain things, but the horse shoe theory is just not true beyond these surface level distinctions.
I can tell you for a fact that republicans are not anywhere close to as far right as you imply, or as the Dems may say.
Being thoroughly familiar with the far right myself. Through reading their websites, blogs, and the like.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Sure, if you go to the extreme fringe of the right wing, you'll get some seriously dangerous nuts.
However, as people have tried to explain to you multiple times, those people have no control over the conservative movement as a whole, or the Republican Party as a whole.
The dark side of the left, in the meantime, has the presumptive Democrat Presidential candidate agreeing that the police need to be defunded, and have been rioting, looting, and committing arson.
Not only are the radical left more numerous, they're also more dangerous, and have actual influence in their party. Fringe right wingers are a hilariously tiny percentage of the population, and much more likely to turn into a paranoid prepper who heads off to live by themselves in the ass end of nowhere with a bunker full of AR-15's and survival rations they (hopefully) never end up needing or using for anything other than deer hunting.
I get that you personally had a horrible experience with a semi-closet racist. If you want your 'help' to be taken seriously around here, get over that one nasty burned relationship. Go visit the actual local Republican office in your area, ask them to explain what their policy positions are, and why, and then see if those line up with radicals or not.
AnimalNoodles
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Our ridiculous culture doesnt do commissars. They are called Diversity, Inclusion and Equity officers instead.
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The actual far right is also probably one of the least cohesive bunches I have ever seen in politics. For the urgency they feel of the cause they are for, they spend an inordinate amount of time in catty backbiting and mutual mudslinging.
The far left as whole is tightly disciplined and they may disagree on certain individual tactics and quibble over the meaning of certain concepts, they all want the same things and will work crosswise for it.
The far left as whole is tightly disciplined and they may disagree on certain individual tactics and quibble over the meaning of certain concepts, they all want the same things and will work crosswise for it.