Trump Investigations Thread

[evilchumlee]

By a court.

Not the prosecutors or investigators.

It's the prosecutors who bring the charges to court. If the prosecutors aren't interested in the case, it doesn't go to court...

No, because Trump declassified everything he took to MAL, as was his right as POTUS to declass anything he wanted, and the National Archives and Biden decided to play more fuck-fuck games with the DoJ to try to hit Trump for something they lied about and effectively ignored all previous precedent by POTUS's on declassing things.

He didn't declassify anything while he had actually had the power to. After he was caught, he said he retroactively declassified them, while having no power to do so. Contrary to the belief of some, Trump is not actually the current President.

Where as we don't even know what all Clinton had in her server, because she had her people destroy and wipe everything on it, in direct contempt of the subpeona's and such she had been served with.

The prosecutors disagree with you.

Of course you'll ignore all this, and likely just ignore this post, because you aren't here to do any sort of good faith posting, just bad faith trolling and shit stirring while ignoring any fact that doesn't fit your MSM derived, TDS-suffering mindset.

*waits on the outrage from the board for people throwing around insults*

I'm trying to figure out the etiquette here. Saying people are in a cult for Trump stuff is bad. I understand this. But I guess anyone who doesn't like Trump is objectively and obviously suffering from "TDS"? Shit's confusing here.

 

[Vyor]

he said he retroactively declassified them, while having no power to do so

That isn't what he said.

 

[evilchumlee]

That isn't what he said.

I worded that poorly.

He said he declassified them.

But he did so while he was no longer the POTUS with the power to do so.

 

[Bacle]

He didn't declassify anything while he had actually had the power to. After he was caught, he said he retroactively declassified them, while having no power to do so. Contrary to the belief of some, Trump is not actually the current President.

Wrong; Trump (while still POTUS, before Jan 20th) put a memo out that anything that was being moved to MAL was to be considered declassified.

It was still completely in his legal authority to do this.

The prosecutors disagree with you.

You mean the same prosecutors who did everything possible to shield Clinton because it was election season?

The same people who would go onto prop up the 'Russian Collusion Hoax' via the bullshit in the Steele Dossier?

Pull the other one, it's got a bell on it.

*waits on the outrage from the board for people throwing around insults*

I'm trying to figure out the etiquette here. Saying people are in a cult for Trump stuff is bad. I understand this. But I guess anyone who doesn't like Trump is objectively and obviously suffering from "TDS"? Shit's confusing here.

Oh please, no one is going to be outraged at calling out your bad faith posting and attempts to ignore anything that doesn't fit your preferred narrative about Trump.

And yes, your posts have very much shown you suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome, like a lot of people on the Left do.

I worded that poorly.

He said he declassified them.

But he did so while he was no longer the POTUS with the power to do so.

Again, wrong; the memo about the Declassing and the movement of the materials happened while Trump was still POTUS.

That you think otherwise is because you've absorbed the MSM lies about Trump wholesale.

 

[evilchumlee]

Wrong; Trump (while still POTUS, before Jan 20th) put a memo out that anything that was being moved to MAL was to be considered declassified.

There's absolutely no evidence of this lie, to the point that even many people involved with the Trump administration have said it's absolutely not true.

That claim comes from Trump (after the fact) and a conservative website "news" editor.

Not to mention that, even as POTUS just saying "this is declassified" doesn't make it so. There is a process to declassification. A "memo" is not a legal declassification procedure, even if such memo existed, which it almost certainly did not.

Nobody has been able to produce a single record that shows Trump declassified any of this. Not one, single shred of evidence for something that should legally be well documented.

 

[Bacle]

There's absolutely no evidence of this lie, to the point that even many people involved with the Trump administration have said it's absolutely not true.

That claim comes from Trump (after the fact) and a conservative website "news" editor.

Not to mention that, even as POTUS just saying "this is declassified" doesn't make it so. There is a process to declassification. A "memo" is not a legal declassification procedure, even if such memo existed, which it almost certainly did not.

Nobody has been able to produce a single record that shows Trump declassified any of this. Not one, single shred of evidence for something that should legally be well documented.

...why do I even bother.

There is evidence of the memo, but that isn't something the MSM would put forth, and if the MSM don't spoon feed something to you, it's a lie or doesn't exist in your mind.

 

[Blasterbot]

Not to mention that, even as POTUS just saying "this is declassified" doesn't make it so. There is a process to declassification. A "memo" is not a legal declassification procedure, even if such memo existed, which it almost certainly did not.

Nope. Biden could take whatever document that is classified he wanted hand it to a kid rubbing his hairy legs and say "here you go this isn't classified anymore scamp" and that would be declassified. The power is broad for a reason. if it gets abused you deal with it through elections. the power is tied to the position of president. hence why as VP, Senator, or Secretary of State you don't have those powers and have to follow a lot more rules when dealing with it.

 

[Morphic Tide]

Yeah, POTUS being the Commander in Chief, Head of State, and Presiding Executive all at once means that quite a few rather important government functions exist solely at his behest.

 

[LordsFire]

Not to mention that, even as POTUS just saying "this is declassified" doesn't make it so. There is a process to declassification. A "memo" is not a legal declassification procedure, even if such memo existed, which it almost certainly did not.

Article 2, Section 1:

"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America."

All power within the Executive branch ultimately flows down from the office of the Presidency. Classification and declassification is a power held by the Executive, therefor it is a power held by the president.

The process to declassification is so that those to whom that power has been delegated by the office of the president cannot easily abuse the trust such delegation puts into them.

 

[evilchumlee]

...why do I even bother.

There is evidence of the memo, but that isn't something the MSM would put forth, and if the MSM don't spoon feed something to you, it's a lie or doesn't exist in your mind.

Present evidence.

 

[Bacle]

Present evidence.

DECLASSIFIED: Trump had a ‘standing order’ deeming documents taken to Mar-a-Lago as not classified

Photo: Alamy Materials seized by the FBI on Monday in its raid of President Donald J. Trump’s Florida residence had already been declassified under a “standing order” that applied to any documents he took from the Oval Office to his home, according to the president’s office. In a statement...

www.rsbnetwork.com

Trump had a standing order, aka the memo, that documents going to MAL were deemed not to be classified.

 

[evilchumlee]

Trump had a standing order, aka the memo, that documents going to MAL were deemed not to be classified.

He had a "standing order" according to him and a conservative website editor. That we only ever heard about after Trump was no longer President.

People within his administration have said this is bull, there was never any memo and if there was, such a memo would have been absolutely insane.

Produce the memo. Show me. Show me the documentation, not simply "Oh, uh, there was a memo" after the fact.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

if there was, such a memo would have been absolutely insane.

Why would that be insane?

 

[evilchumlee]

Why would that be insane?

The supposed "memo", confirmed by many Trump staffers to have not existed anyway, was a blanket "this all declassified"... without even knowing what was in the documents.

Just a handwaved, blanket "declassify it all".

 

[The Whispering Monk]

The supposed "memo", confirmed by many Trump staffers to have not existed anyway, was a blanket "this all declassified"... without even knowing what was in the documents.

Just a handwaved, blanket "declassify it all".

Which is pretty standard, actually. At least from an Executive level decision technique for declassifying things.

 

[evilchumlee]

Which is pretty standard, actually. At least from an Executive level decision technique for declassifying things.

Sort of?

Sure, the President will generally issue a directive of "declassify x". At that point it just doesn't get dumped into the internet or something. It's an order to... start the process of having things declassified.

From a strictly legal standpoint, there needs to be documentation or it didn't happen. Hell even if there was a video or audio recording of Trump saying, while he was President, "declassify all of this"... fine. We don't have that. We have nothing.

ALL we have is after the fact statements by sources who are biased. We have other statements that such a memo did not exist nor was any order given.

 

[LordsFire]

He had a "standing order" according to him and a conservative website editor. That we only ever heard about after Trump was no longer President.

I'd say this is really the crux of it here.

You've decided to trust leftist sources, and not trust conservatives.


Also, of course you didn't hear about it, until after it became relevant to a highly publicized attempt to prosecute Trump for something relating to exactly that.

 

[evilchumlee]

I'd say this is really the crux of it here.

You've decided to trust leftist sources, and not trust conservatives.

Also, of course you didn't hear about it, until after it became relevant to a highly publicized attempt to prosecute Trump for something relating to exactly that.

Rather, I don't trust biased sources at all. I don't "trust" anything.

I want proof. I want documentation.

Trump saying something isn't proof. A conservative website editor with a motive for bias isn't proof.

I want a piece of independently verifiable evidence. If Trump ordered something to be declassified while President, there should be a record of that.

He is being accused of a crime. The facts are that he was in possession of documents that were classified while no longer being POTUS. His only defense is "I declassified them", but can provide no proof at all that such an event occurred. There are... 19 I believe people who were a part of the Trump administration who have said no such memo existed, and no such memo has been produced.

I'm happy to accept that it occurred, that there was a memo and these things were declassified. It's an incredibly easy thing. Just provide the documentation. That's it. That's all that needs to happen. Should be almost literally effortless.

EDIT -

The leftist sources say the memo doesn't exist. The conservative sources say the memo exists.

Looking at this as objectively as possible, the leftist sources appear to have more credibility. The conservatives sources have been not been able to verify the existence of the memo...

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Imagine thinking communists have credibility in any capacity

 

[evilchumlee]

Imagine twining communists have credibility in any capacity

It's a simple ask. Make a claim? Produce proof. That's it. That's all you need. The whole thing goes away with a simple "oh, here's the memo". Just one, single shred of evidence.