Trump Investigations Thread

[DarthOne]

Chutkan Refuses Trump's Requested Deadline Delay Because It Would Hamper Her Election Interference

Chutkan Denies Trump Extensions That Would Hamper Her 2024 Meddling

Chutkan warned delaying deadlines to February would 'take considerable time,' hampering her plans to host the trial before Super Tuesday.

thefederalist.com

Washington D.C. District Judge Tanya Chutkan refused on Tuesday to accommodate former President Donald Trump's request for a pretrial delay because it would keep her from hosting his trial the day before Super Tuesday, right as voters head to the polls to vote in the 2024 presidential primary election.

Trump and his legal team requested that motions for subpoenas in the case, in which the Republican is being prosecuted for his speech about the 2020 election, be due Feb. 9, 2024 instead of Nov. 9, 2023. The Trump team's request claimed the millions of communications included in the government's discovery, which "continues to be provided on a rolling basis," were "not well organized" and would take months to properly examine.

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The lawyers insisted that granting Trump additional time to build his case is pertinent to preserving his due process rights. Chutkan, however, who has shown a blatant disregard for Trump's constitutional rights in the past, claimed "those arguments are unpersuasive."

"The government points out that the sole organizational defect cited by the defense was actually a best practice—rather than compiling the email materials themselves, the government provided those materials in a format that would easily allow the defense to compile them in their preferred manner," Chutkan wrote.

She also warned that delaying the subpoena deadline to February would "take considerable time" — severely hampering her plans to host the trial in the middle of primary elections in early March.

Trump's request, Chutkan insisted, must be weighed "against the disadvantages of backloading the pretrial schedule."


Instead of granting the Trump team's requested extensions, Chutkan decided to issue a "partial extension of the deadline" to Nov. 27 for motions to compel and Dec. 13 for motions for subpoenas.

Chutkan's decision comes mere days after Special Counsel Jack Smith and his legal team acknowledged Trump's "overriding interest in delaying both trials."

The Obama judge confirmed her willingness to meddle in the 2024 election in August when she vowed to legally curb Trump's speech on the campaign trail.

"What the defendant is currently doing — the fact that he's running a political campaign has to yield to the orderly administration of justice. If that means he can't say exactly what he wants to say about witnesses in this case, that's how it has to be," Chutkan said.

 

[Vyor]

The rants are also all moot because there aren't a whole lot of people with enough cash laying around in their couch cushions to buy Mar-a-Lago for the $1bn-$1.5bn (or whatever) price Trump claims it's worth today. The people who do have access to that kind of ready money would find themselves under a very unforgiving microscope if they were to buy it.

See: Elon Musk and his purchase of Twitter.

That... really doesn't matter though?

 

[evilchumlee]

Nope. I'm thinking troll.

I make no apologies for rather openly disliking Trump. I also know that I'm surrounded by a hornet's nest of Trump supporters.

* Both Sides Are Bad (So Vote Republican/Democrat) ... an old Farkism.

EDIT: I like to think that I'm open-minded enough to ask if someone is using octal if they say 4+4=10 instead of just flat-out assuming they're wrong.

Really no intent to troll, but you can think what you want.

My actual, true political stance is that... I have a general dislike for both sides, considering myself at this point left-leaning center. I have a dislike for extremists on both end.

I don't mind Biden as much, I see him as aggressively mediocre. One thing I do like about him is that he's not on the extremist left wing.

I've been a Democrat voter forever but i'm at the point that i'm willing to consider a Republican option. Just... not an extremist Republican option. Not... Trump, or anyone under the Trumpist ideology. There are absolutely Republicans I would consider and if I was given a good option over Biden I would absolutely consider it. I actually WANT that.

I hate having to treat my vote as a vote AGAINST something, but that's what it is. I want someone who is more moderate, on either side. That's where my vote will go. Give me a moderate Republican and you may well have my attention.

 

[Rocinante]

I don't mind Biden as much, I see him as aggressively mediocre. One thing I do like about him is that he's not on the extremist left wing.

As far as policy goes, whether passed, attempted to pass or whatever, Biden is one of the most extremist left wing presidents we have ever had. This is because he's a puppet of the extreme left.

Trump is moderate compared to many on the GOP.

If you truly wanted a moderate, you'd be supporting Trump. He's the most moderate candidate running.

 

[evilchumlee]

If you truly wanted a moderate, you'd be supporting Trump. He's the most moderate candidate running.

That's absolutely outlandish.

Trump is just about as reactionary right as is possible.

Give me someone like a, idk, Chris Christie or Mitt Romney. Those are moderate Republicans.

The Trumpist wing IS the extremist wing of the Republicans? Who is more extreme than Trump?!

 

[DarthOne]

That's absolutely outlandish.

Trump is just about as reactionary right as is possible.

Give me someone like a, idk, Chris Christie or Mitt Romney. Those are moderate Republicans.

The Trumpist wing IS the extremist wing of the Republicans? Who is more extreme than Trump?!

Trump is only a 'right wing extremist' by comparison to how absurdly left wing our nation has become. He's basically a democrat from what, 20 years ago?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Give me someone like a, idk, Chris Christie or Mitt Romney. Those are moderate Republicans.

Those two really aren't what I would call Republicans, they're pretty much Democrats in (R) clothing. Which is probably why you like them.

Trumpist wing is simply the wing that says we want our country to be self sufficient, where our treaties are aimed at bettering the USA. We want every citizen to have the opportunity for success and not be hobbled by government handouts and chains. We want our borders secured so we can actually have a country where we don't let predators in while at the same time bringing more slaves with them.

If all of that is radical to you...well, you might need to do some more investigating into the policies, and the effects of the policies that the Left, Dems and many so-called (R)s have put forward.

 

[bintananth]

That... really doesn't matter though?

It does.

I can put a $1M offer on practically anything I want without needing to ask Princess for permission or do due dilgance for, but there will be questions because the $1M cheque will be noticed.

Trump is saying he can get $1 billion+ on something which comes with an approximately $1.5 million/year tax bill based on an assessed valuation that he's claiming is insultingly low.

Do you not see the fraud and/or *cough* tax *cough* crimes?

 

[Carrot of Truth]

That's absolutely outlandish.

Trump is just about as reactionary right as is possible.

Give me someone like a, idk, Chris Christie or Mitt Romney. Those are moderate Republicans.

The Trumpist wing IS the extremist wing of the Republicans? Who is more extreme than Trump?!

What specific Trump policy did you find "reactionary" and "extreme"?

 

[evilchumlee]

Trump is only a 'right wing extremist' by comparison to how absurdly left wing our nation has become. He's basically a democrat from what, 20 years ago?

That's... just not anywhere near correct. So we can compare Trump to Bill Clinton?

Rather, Biden is actually closer to an old school Democrat because... he... is one.

Those two really aren't what I would call Republicans, they're pretty much Democrats in (R) clothing. Which is probably why you like them.

Trumpist wing is simply the wing that says we want our country to be self sufficient, where our treaties are aimed at bettering the USA. We want every citizen to have the opportunity for success and not be hobbled by government handouts and chains. We want our borders secured so we can actually have a country where we don't let predators in while at the same time bringing more slaves with them.

If all of that is radical to you...well, you might need to do some more investigating into the policies, and the effects of the policies that the Left, Dems and many so-called (R)s have put forward.

Yeah yeah that was the excuse I was anticipating.

When you try to say x candidate is "moderate" by labelling anyone who is less extreme than them as literally on the other side of the spectrum... it only shows that x candidate is ACTUALLY... extreme.

 

[LordsFire]

Yeah yeah that was the excuse I was anticipating.

When you try to say x candidate is "moderate" by labelling anyone who is less extreme than them as literally on the other side of the spectrum... it only shows that x candidate is ACTUALLY... extreme.

Time for you to actually back up what you're claiming.

The Biden administration has:

1. Dissolved our southern border.
2. Shut down new oil drilling on federal land and the Keystone XL pipeline basically the instant he got into office.
3. Put transgender flags up in the White House.
4. Pushed forward the highest inflation rate in ~45 years.
5. Backed Vaccine mandates.
6. Had the FBI investigating parents who complain to their school board about sexual content in schools as potential terrorists.
7. Is openly and flagrantly corrupt. Biden is known to have taken bribes from multiple sources within China and Ukraine/Russia.
8. Backed the violence of BLM and Antifa.

What did Trump do that remotely compares to this level of radicalness? What is he proposing that remotely compares to this level of radicalness?

 

[bintananth]

What specific Trump policy did you find "reactionary" and "extreme"?

As an actual D here as opposed to whatever @evilchumlee is ...

There's that whole "attempting to overturn the 2020 Georgia election results" RICO thing for which Trump and 18 others have been charged with and arrested for in Georgia. I think that little "kerfluffle" has already resulted in several of his lawyers pleading guilty.

 

[evilchumlee]

1. Dissolved our southern border.

Just checked, border actually still exists.

2. Shut down new oil drilling on federal land and the Keystone XL pipeline basically the instant he got into office.

Keystone XL should have been shut down. That was a positive.

There is still new oil drilling occurring, just more slowly and deliberately. As it should be.

3. Put transgender flags up in the White House.

Oh no... Biden is supporting... Americans... ?

What?

4. Pushed forward the highest inflation rate in ~45 years.

This one is partially correct, although not really. It's just more complex than "Biden is a dumb lib"

5. Backed Vaccine mandates.

Yes. Thankfully.

6. Had the FBI investigating parents who complain to their school board about sexual content in schools as potential terrorists.

Because there is totally not violent anti-gay sentiment in the country...

Protecting citizens is bad now?

7. Is openly and flagrantly corrupt. Biden is known to have taken bribes from multiple sources within China and Ukraine/Russia.

I'll give you that, but it loses any credence when the alternative you put up... is fucking Trump, probably the only person even MORE openly and flagrantly corrupt.

8. Backed the violence of BLM and Antifa.

Valid criticism.

As an actual D here as opposed to whatever @evilchumlee is ...

"Independent Center-Left Moderate". I think?

 

[Rocinante]

That's absolutely outlandish.

Trump is just about as reactionary right as is possible.

Give me someone like a, idk, Chris Christie or Mitt Romney. Those are moderate Republicans.

The Trumpist wing IS the extremist wing of the Republicans? Who is more extreme than Trump?!

Trump is against the right wing's anti abortion stance.

Trump was a big spender, with economic bailouts thrown in, too.

Trump was anti-war and didn't get us into any new ones.

The GOP spend most of Obama's terms trying to topple Obama care. Trump didn't.

Trump had programs to help minorities get education and find jobs.

Trump was waving the LGBT rainbow flag at rallies.

Trump was in favor of infrastructure spending.

Trump downgraded the World Trade Organization, threw up tariffs on China and reworked NAFTA and commerce with China into more managed trade regimes. These were democrat positions before Trump did it, and they haven't reversed much, if any of it.

Trump is more moderate than many on the right, and is FAR MORE moderate than the extremist left that has taken over large portions of our government.

 

[bintananth]

Trump is more moderate than many on the right, and is FAR MORE moderate than the extremist left that has taken over large portions of our government.

More moderate != less evil or more good

Remember, with Trump it's all about Trump. If it benefits Trump and/or strokes his ego he's for it. Otherwise? He either doesn't care or is against it if he thinks it'll make him look bad.

 

[DarthOne]

Ok that takes the short term view of things.

Bad establishments create their own opasition and the guys running the west right now? These are not great minds at all its going to be a fucking painful process because inertia is a hell of a drug but I look at them and already see the germinating seeds of their destruction.

100% stolen. Why was this never followed up on?

 

[Vyor]

As an actual D here as opposed to whatever @evilchumlee is ...

There's that whole "attempting to overturn the 2020 Georgia election results" RICO thing for which Trump and 18 others have been charged with and arrested for in Georgia. I think that little "kerfluffle" has already resulted in several of his lawyers pleading guilty.

Ah yes, that shitshow.

Ok, that means Alexander Chayanov deserved everything he got in his "trial"

 

[Bacle]

That's absolutely outlandish.

Trump is just about as reactionary right as is possible.

Give me someone like a, idk, Chris Christie or Mitt Romney. Those are moderate Republicans.

The Trumpist wing IS the extremist wing of the Republicans? Who is more extreme than Trump?!

John Bolton, Dick Cheney, and Sarah Palin.

That you think Trump is an extremist just shows you have some blinders on that you don't even know.

I get it, I came from a hard D household in a blue state, I understand the lies the media has told about Trump for going on 8 years now, and I know how many on the Left have taken a lot of bullshit at face value, without looking at how the media and their own Congresscritters have lied to them about Trump for so long.

One day your blinders will come off; whether or not that is a pleasant experience will be up to you.

 

[evilchumlee]

John Bolton, Dick Cheney, and Sarah Palin.

That you think Trump is an extremist just shows you have some blinders on that you don't even know.

All of those people seem to have fairly similar attitudes to Trump. What is Palin any more extreme on than Trump?

I get it, I came from a hard D household in a blue state, I understand the lies the media has told about Trump for going on 8 years now, and I know how many on the Left have taken a lot of bullshit at face value, without looking at how the media and their own Congresscritters have lied to them about Trump for so long.

One day your blinders will come off; whether or not that is a pleasant experience will be up to you.

I came from a mostly apolitical household in a red area of an otherwise blue state. In my younger years I would have considered myself a Republican, and then an Independent. I never considered myself Democrat. I'm 38 now and have always had an interest in politics. My shift more to the left happened around Obama's first run.

I REALLY liked John McCain. I also liked Obama. The clincher for me there was Palin. Once she came onto the scene, that became an incredibly easy vote for Obama.

Basically, once I actually got out into the world and "grew up", I shifted left. I still consider myself generally centrist, but I just keep seeing the Republicans slide more and more extreme. The Democrats are TOO, but the extremist Democrats tend to not actually get much power. The "Progressives" are just... loud. I'm against Trumpism. I'm against Progressivism.

I can think for myself and see what Trump is doing and it's alarming. Yeah the left is dumb and pushing all sorts of stupid shit, but the Trump right? That's actively terrifying, with absolutely no respect to our institutions at all. If it wasn't bad enough, the entire behavior around losing the election is enough. I don't even need anything else.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

I can think for myself and see what Trump is doing and it's alarming. Yeah the left is dumb and pushing all sorts of stupid shit, but the Trump right? That's actively terrifying, with absolutely no respect to our institutions at all. If it wasn't bad enough, the entire behavior around losing the election is enough. I don't even need anything else.

Now this is an impressively NPC take. That is exactly what the Biden regime and the DNC has been doing since coming into power.