Trump Investigations Thread

[The Whispering Monk]

Personally i suspect this is theatre, red team vs blue team shit, i think Trump cut a deal behind the scenes already. I think that after a long and horrifically unfair appearing ordeal he will end up in the Whitehouse. Coincidentally having an ''yuge'' comeback arc and restoring ''faith'' in the system for boomers and fools just in time for (insert conflict here) so white men can die for Jews and butt sex. Screen cap this and weep🤢

There's no way in hell the Establishment/Left is working with Trump. They are directly aimed at each other.

 

[Abhorsen]

Look, do I think Trump's technically guilty of something here? Probably. But then you could find a crime for nearly anyone if you tried hard enough. You could definitely find a crime for any president. The issue is that traditionally major politicians have been mostly above the law: the response to huge scandal was to resign, not prosecution. And above them was presidents, who didn't even resign. Is it unfair BS? Yes. But it's unfair BS that keeps the country running.

But now you have one side deciding to prosecute because they are still obsessed with this one guy. And people are rightly pointing out that there's a double standard to do this, one that actually harms democracy.

 

[Rocinante]

Look, do I think Trump's technically guilty of something here? Probably. But then you could find a crime for nearly anyone if you tried hard enough. You could definitely find a crime for any president. The issue is that traditionally major politicians have been mostly above the law: the response to huge scandal was to resign, not prosecution. And above them was presidents, who didn't even resign. Is it unfair BS? Yes. But it's unfair BS that keeps the country running.

But now you have one side deciding to prosecute because they are still obsessed with this one guy. And people are rightly pointing out that there's a double standard to do this, one that actually harms democracy.

I'm fine if they push Trump for the laws he's broken.

As long as they also prosecute Biden.

But they won't.

You're right, this is part of the multi-tiered justice system we are living in.

 

[Typhonis]

Not just Biden but Obama, Clinton, and Bush. The precedent has been set. I wonder what Hillary is guilty of?

 

[Rocinante]

Not just Biden but Obama, Clinton, and Bush. The precedent has been set. I wonder what Hillary is guilty of?

Well yeah that's what I was getting at. End the double standards.

 

[Abhorsen]

You're right, this is part of the multi-tiered justice system we are living in.

That's the thing, it's not part of the multi-tiered justice system. This is a violation of the tiers of justice. These were scummy, but they kept the system working.

That's what people are noticing: the selective breaking of what was normal (justice tiers).

To stop this from happening in the future, the only solution I see is to have ways for parts of the DOJ be run by the minority party.

 

[Rocinante]

That's the thing, it's not part of the multi-tiered justice system. This is a violation of the tiers of justice. These were scummy, but they kept the system working.

That's what people are noticing: the selective breaking of what was normal (justice tiers).

The part of the multi tiered justice system that is being formed, and Is at play in this instance, is democrats can get away with what they want, and they'll throw anything they can at a Republican.

The past is dead. This is a new precedent. The democrats are out there trying to take down their main political rival. It's not a hypothetical situation here. This is where we really are.

 

[Abhorsen]

The part of the multi tiered justice system that is being formed, and Is at play in this instance, is democrats can get away with what they want, and they'll throw anything they can at a Republican.

No, I'm saying a multi tiered justice system has always been there, with politicians at the top. We aren't watching a new system appear, we are watching a violation of the current system, one that could end with 'the party in power can prosecute the party not in power' as the new norm which is really bad banana republic level.

If the R's don't retaliate but just pardon Trump, I'll be happy, because the alternative is so much worse. Yes, Biden should be in jail. Yes, this is unfair. But sometimes the costs of being perfectly just cause more issues. I'd prefer no civil war, thank you very much.

 

[Grant Us Eyes]

because the alternative is so much worse

If this actually resolves in the way the Left as a whole wishes, the alternative is the only solution.

If someone consistently abuses you and your reaction is 'I'm going to be the bigger man and not retaliate', that's not a moral victory. That's teaching someone they can abuse you with impunity.

MAD doctrine works for a reason, and it's worthless when one side won't even pick up the weapon on the table.

 

[Rocinante]

No, I'm saying a multi tiered justice system has always been there, with politicians at the top. We aren't watching a new system appear, we are watching a violation of the current system, one that could end with 'the party in power can prosecute the party not in power' as the new norm which is really bad banana republic level.

If the R's don't retaliate but just pardon Trump, I'll be happy, because the alternative is so much worse. Yes, Biden should be in jail. Yes, this is unfair. But sometimes the costs of being perfectly just cause more issues. I'd prefer no civil war, thank you very much.

As pointed out, you can't just let them get away with this or they'll keep doing it.

We've got some ugly times ahead of us. I'm just hoping we pull through in one piece.

And I'm not black pilled btw. I still believe there is some hope that we come out of this without everything going completely to shit.

Look, it's already been done. The precedent has been broken. The GOP/right needs to respond.

Yes an appropriate response to this is for the GOP to go after Biden.

Then maybe once it's demonstrated that one side will actually do more than sit and take it as they're persecuted and prosecuted, THEN, MAYBE, we can out a stop to this.

Vivek winning and pardoning Trump as he has promised to do, would be a good step in the right direction, too.

 

[King Arts]

No, I'm saying a multi tiered justice system has always been there, with politicians at the top. We aren't watching a new system appear, we are watching a violation of the current system, one that could end with 'the party in power can prosecute the party not in power' as the new norm which is really bad banana republic level.

If the R's don't retaliate but just pardon Trump, I'll be happy, because the alternative is so much worse. Yes, Biden should be in jail. Yes, this is unfair. But sometimes the costs of being perfectly just cause more issues. I'd prefer no civil war, thank you very much.

Fīat jūstitia ruat cælum
Nope fuck the system politicians should not be above the law prosecute all who do crimes.

 

[LordsFire]

No, I'm saying a multi tiered justice system has always been there, with politicians at the top. We aren't watching a new system appear, we are watching a violation of the current system, one that could end with 'the party in power can prosecute the party not in power' as the new norm which is really bad banana republic level.

If the R's don't retaliate but just pardon Trump, I'll be happy, because the alternative is so much worse. Yes, Biden should be in jail. Yes, this is unfair. But sometimes the costs of being perfectly just cause more issues. I'd prefer no civil war, thank you very much.

I don't know why I'm repeatedly shocked by how poorly you understand what a society needs to be functional and healthy.

No, leaving this egregious abuse of power by the Democrats unanswered will not leave us in a good place. The Democrats will absolutely do the same thing again the instant they get their hands on power again, unless they are given a reason not to.

And given I'd be surprised if there's more than a handful of Democrats holding federal office who aren't deeply and profoundly corrupt, digging into their closets is going to give a hell of a lot more reasons to prosecute than 'we don't like which documents you brought back from the White House with you.'

 

[Abhorsen]

Vivek winning and pardoning Trump as he has promised to do, would be a good step in the right direction, too.

See, I think this is the way forward: pardon Trump, then set up the GOP so that political prosecutions can only be done with the minority parties consent. This does still allow Uniparty punishment, but it's less bad than the current stuff.

Fīat jūstitia ruat cælum
Nope fuck the system politicians should not be above the law prosecute all who do crimes.

Who's in charge of punishing the politicians? Politicians. It always has been, always will be. There's simply no way around having a multitiered system in a democracy (or any governmental system), and I'm dubious of anarchic solutions.

In a perfect world, yes, punish them all. All presidents alive deserve to fry IMO for being warmongers, with Trump eaking out a long prison sentence instead for constantly being pro peace on some things, but not others.

In the real world: politicians are in charge of who is prosecuting, because who is in charge of who is being prosecuted will always be a political job. Hence we have a situation where we are stuck, and always will be, with a tiered justice system. The complaints people have is that Trump is being treated as if he's in the wrong tier.

I don't know why I'm repeatedly shocked by how poorly you understand what a society needs to be functional and healthy.

No, leaving this egregious abuse of power by the Democrats unanswered will not leave us in a good place. The Democrats will absolutely do the same thing again the instant they get their hands on power again, unless they are given a reason not to.

And given I'd be surprised if there's more than a handful of Democrats holding federal office who aren't deeply and profoundly corrupt, digging into their closets is going to give a hell of a lot more reasons to prosecute than 'we don't like which documents you brought back from the White House with you.'

The Democrats won't take retaliation as a reason not to though. That's the issue. They'll take it as a reason to retaliate in kind again, but targeting more than Trump. And they'll be better at it, because the professional class that is lawyers is majority dems and leftists. And thus the problem cycles out of control. The only way to deal with a cycling power structure is to destroy the power to exploit it permanently: pardon, then set up a system so that the party not in the presidency has control over prosecutions of the government.

In fact, having the side not in power be able to prosecute the side in power sounds like a good thing generally speaking when it comes to government, as it will cause constant politically motivated investigation that will root out fraud.

 

[DarthOne]

CRONY: Obama-Appointed Judge Seals Fusion GPS Bank Records; Ruling Insulates Obama, Clinton, FBI

CRONY: Obama-Appointed Judge Seals Fusion GPS Bank Records; Ruling Insulates Obama, Clinton, FBI – True Pundit

She donated campaign cash to Barack Obama. After his election, he appointed both her and her husband as judges. Looks like those moves are paying huge dividends. The federal judge presiding over whether Congress gets to see the bank records behind the Trump Dossier company has placed the...

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She donated campaign cash to Barack Obama. After his election, he appointed both her and her husband as judges. Looks like those moves are paying huge dividends.

The federal judge presiding over whether Congress gets to see the bank records behind the Trump Dossier company has placed the financial records under sealed protective order, effectively hiding them from the public and even most lawmakers. Only a select few lawmakers will get to see a select few GPS banking records.

U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan is a long-time Barack Obama supporter and crony.

Her husband was appointed a judge by Obama too. And Chutkan also donated campaign funds to Obama prior to her and her spouse's appointments to the bench. Oh yeah, almost forgot: Her mother-in-law kicked in for Obama's presidential campaign too.

Fusion GPS itself has filed a motion to block the committee's attempts to subpoena its bank records, citing it would divulge the confidential client list of the company. Chutkan largely agreed.

The mere fact that such a list could implicate Hillary Clinton and her former boss Obama is reason enough to believe Chutkan would opt on the side of The Swamp, in an effort to further protect Obama and his cartel which at this point may or may not include the federal judge who should have recused herself from the case.

Chutkan has a history of not recusing herself from cases with a direct and personal conflict so why would she stop now. She presided over a Homeland Security case without notifying the court or plaintiff's attorneys she had a close family relative who works for DHS.

Judges may not preside over cases in which they have a direct personal bias or financial interest concerning a party to the case, according to federal law.

But Chutkan is the D.C. District Court's poster girl for conflicts.

Chutkan is presiding also over the Imran Awan and Hina Alvi bank fraud case in D.C. Chutkan made headlines when it was reported she was appointed to the federal bench by Obama after she kicked thousands in campaign donations to his presidential campaign.

Obama also appointed Chutkan's husband, Peter Krauthamer, a judge to the bench in the District of Columbia Superior Court in 2011.

That case too could implicate her former boss Obama.

Chutkan failed to disclose a family relationship with the defendant. She also failed to recuse herself and allow another district court judge to preside. According to federal law, Chutkan's actions violate a number of laws governing the federal bench. According to the statue dealing with disqualification of judges, 28 U.S. Code § 455, Chutkan's actions appear to have breached these guidelines:

• Any justice, judge, or magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify themselves in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.
• She shall also disqualify herself where she has a personal bias or prejudice concerning a party, or personal knowledge of disputed evidentiary facts concerning the proceeding
• She shall also disqualify herself where she or her spouse, or a person within the third degree of relationship to either of them, or the spouse of such a person Is known by the judge to have an interest that could be substantially affected by the outcome of the proceeding;

Federal law enforcement sources said they have fading confidence that Chutkan will remain impartial on the Awan case. The judge has already come under fire for tilting the case in Awan's favor, granting motions by his legal team to give the accused fraudster more leeway and travel freedom with his pretrial intervention program, while stifling third-party motions to offer evidence in the case.

A Justice Department source said the case has already been tainted by Chutkan's conflicts with Obama, who could be implicated in the Awan case if were ever expanded by FBI. The source said there are plea talks that indicate no one will see significant jail time.

Chutkan contributed to his Obama's first presidential campaign eight separate times. In all Chukan kicked over $4,000 to Obama's campaign and PACs, almost maxing out the personal contribution limit set by the FEC, records show. Chutkan's mother-in-law also contributed campaign cash to Obama, records confirm.

The explosive Awan case could also possibly implicate Obama as well as former attorneys general Holder and Lynch. Those tenets have not been lost on veteran federal agents with knowledge of the evidence unfolding in this complicated case against a family of alleged Pakistani IT gurus.

Chutkan, the federal judge on the Awan case, was born in Jamaica. She lived in Jamaica, the Bahamas, France and Spain before coming to the United States, federal law enforcement sources said.

Chutkan's former law firm, where she worked until her appointment to the federal bench in 2014, currently represents Huma Abedin, the wife of disgraced former Congressman Anthony Weiner. The firm also is stacked with Democratic lawyers who worked for Hillary Clinton, John Podesta, and Barack Obama's White House, just to name a few D.C. insiders.

Deep state coup de grâce: Trump indicted on 2020 election charges.

An Obama appointed judge to preside over Trump's latest plumped up indictment case.

 

[LordsFire]

The Democrats won't take retaliation as a reason not to though. That's the issue. They'll take it as a reason to retaliate in kind again, but targeting more than Trump.

And here you show you fundamentally do not understand the mindset of a bully.

And make no mistake, for a huge part of the activist and midwit politician class, bully is exactly what they are.

They act and attack because they do not have fear. Because they believe they can hurt others with impunity. As long as they continue to believe that, they will continue to do so.

A lot of bullies, not all, but a lot, once you punch them in the face once, their perspective on you will completely change. A significantly larger chunk, once you knock them down and kick the shit out of them, they will never dare act against you again.

And once 80-95% of the frothing mad leftists have been taught that there are consequences to starting shit with the legal system, consequences that include terms like 'life in prison' and 'fines that bankrupt you,' they will suddenly be a lot less interested in starting shit.

The sharp lack of hitting back is a key part of what has emboldened the left to go further and further in their rabid prosecution of Trump.

 

[Abhorsen]

And here you show you fundamentally do not understand the mindset of a bully.

And make no mistake, for a huge part of the activist and midwit politician class, bully is exactly what they are.

They act and attack because they do not have fear. Because they believe they can hurt others with impunity. As long as they continue to believe that, they will continue to do so.

A lot of bullies, not all, but a lot, once you punch them in the face once, their perspective on you will completely change. A significantly larger chunk, once you knock them down and kick the shit out of them, they will never dare act against you again.

And once 80-95% of the frothing mad leftists have been taught that there are consequences to starting shit with the legal system, consequences that include terms like 'life in prison' and 'fines that bankrupt you,' they will suddenly be a lot less interested in starting shit.

The sharp lack of hitting back is a key part of what has emboldened the left to go further and further in their rabid prosecution of Trump.

Modelling Leftist behavior as bullies is incredibly wrong. The Dems love being pushed back against, because they want to appear as the oppressed. I'm not saying they don't do stuff bullies do, but they don't respond the same way a bully does.

Every time they get pushback, they hype up that they are being pushed back at and phrase it as a bad thing. See school choice, anti CRT legislation (especially in Florida & Tennessee), Trump's entire time in office (which was a huge punch in the face for them), Bruen, etc.

They aren't a bully, more of the kid in class who snitched and lied about what happened.

Prosecuting Biden might do something, but it would really only teach Biden to behave. The others will keep going on with impunity. Most bad behavior is legal. Nah, if you want to teach via prosecution, don't hit Biden. Hit Fauci. He lied under oath, we know this now. Get him for that, and you will hit the professional class.

Biden isn't really in the professional class anyway, he's in the politician class. He's a tier above the bureaucrats.

 

[LordsFire]

They aren't a bully, more of the kid in class who snitched and lied about what happened.

There's a term for these people, and that is 'cry-bully.' Which is still a type of bully.

We don't need just prosecution of Biden, we need prosecution of Biden, Fauci, huge swathes of the DoJ, we need bureaucracies cut to a quarter their size or outright eliminated.

I'm not saying 'make an example,' I'm saying 'relentlessly pursue the enemy for every violation we can find.'

 

[Abhorsen]

There's a term for these people, and that is 'cry-bully.' Which is still a type of bully.

We don't need just prosecution of Biden, we need prosecution of Biden, Fauci, huge swathes of the DoJ, we need bureaucracies cut to a quarter their size or outright eliminated.

I'm not saying 'make an example,' I'm saying 'relentlessly pursue the enemy for every violation we can find.'

The Republicans do not have the ability to do this, even when in charge (Trump promised to drain the swamp, look what happened there). An all out assault will be opposed, because it will be seen as biased (and it likely would be, because I doubt Mitch McConnell will be included, and he's as guilty as the Dems). This wrecks the system and replaces it with a worse one.

Also, you've shifted your argument from a punch in the face pausing the bully to a repeated pummeling stopping them. The Republicans quite simply aren't capable of a full-on pummeling because of lack of will and their inclusion.

I'd love if all the corrupt politicians were in jail. What I don't want to see is one side locking up the other side's corrupt, as that way leads to a banana republic. Ultimately, a government isn't actually capable of holding itself accountable very well at the highest levels. It may be that the best option is to say 'clean slate for all past deeds for everyone' + 'no more stock trading' + 'the minority party gets control of the DOJ for purposes of investigating the government' (though I'm unsure if that is constitutional cause separation of powers).

 

[LordsFire]

The Republicans do not have the ability to do this, even when in charge (Trump promised to drain the swamp, look what happened there). An all out assault will be opposed, because it will be seen as biased (and it likely would be, because I doubt Mitch McConnell will be included, and he's as guilty as the Dems). This wrecks the system and replaces it with a worse one.

The system is already completely wrecked.

The Federal Government is actively doing the opposite of what it is supposed to.

Our choices are either full-out political and legal war, or letting the enemy make things worse until we have a physical war.

I know which I prefer.

 

[Bacle]

The Republicans do not have the ability to do this, even when in charge (Trump promised to drain the swamp, look what happened there). An all out assault will be opposed, because it will be seen as biased (and it likely would be, because I doubt Mitch McConnell will be included, and he's as guilty as the Dems). This wrecks the system and replaces it with a worse one.

Also, you've shifted your argument from a punch in the face pausing the bully to a repeated pummeling stopping them. The Republicans quite simply aren't capable of a full-on pummeling because of lack of will and their inclusion.

I'd love if all the corrupt politicians were in jail. What I don't want to see is one side locking up the other side's corrupt, as that way leads to a banana republic. Ultimately, a government isn't actually capable of holding itself accountable very well at the highest levels. It may be that the best option is to say 'clean slate for all past deeds for everyone' + 'no more stock trading' + 'the minority party gets control of the DOJ for purposes of investigating the government' (though I'm unsure if that is constitutional cause separation of powers).

We are already a banana republic because of what the Dems and their cronies have done, is what you don't seem to get.

Dems will only stop or curb their madness when it the GOP stops turning the other cheek, and learn MAD applies to politics as well.

You farcical idea of trying to put the DoJ on Congressional Minority Control is less viable than just enforcing political MAD/rule of retaliation.