Trump Investigations Thread

[Abhorsen]

The system is already completely wrecked.

The Federal Government is actively doing the opposite of what it is supposed to.

Our choices are either full-out political and legal war, or letting the enemy make things worse until we have a physical war.

I know which I prefer.

... If you think this is a wrecked system, I got news for you: it's been wrecked for ages.

The way forward isn't war, it's to grab control of what's running away and destroying the engine. In this case, a runaway DOJ could be hamstrung by assigning partial control to the party not in office. Suddenly part of the DOJ is constantly exerting legal pressure on the administration's overreaches.

The idea that the Republicans could win this war is simply wrong. The Dems are better at this and have control over the institutions. You are fighting them using weapons they control. Instead, wreck the weapons.

We are already a banana republic because of what the Dems and their cronies have done, is what you don't seem to get.

Dems will only stop or curb their madness when it the GOP stops turning the other cheek, and learn MAD applies to politics as well.

You farcical idea of trying to put the DoJ on Congressional Minority Control is less viable than just enforcing political MAD/rule of retaliation.

I wouldn't talk about MAD politics when you endorsed Japan invading Russia. You don't seem to grasp that escalation means ending it all.

 

[LordsFire]

... If you think this is a wrecked system, I got news for you: it's been wrecked for ages.

The way forward isn't war, it's to grab control of what's running away and destroying the engine. In this case, a runaway DOJ could be hamstrung by assigning partial control to the party not in office. Suddenly part of the DOJ is constantly exerting legal pressure on the administration's overreaches.

The idea that the Republicans could win this war is simply wrong. The Dems are better at this and have control over the institutions. You are fighting them using weapons they control. Instead, wreck the weapons.

If you are going to concede 'law enforcement' as an organ of state to the Democrats, you have already completely surrendered, you just don't know it yet.

 

[StormEagle]

I wouldn't talk about MAD politics when you endorsed Japan invading Russia. You don't seem to grasp that escalation means ending it all.

Ngl, nuclear hellfire do be looking kinda good sometimes.

 

[Bacle]

I wouldn't talk about MAD politics when you endorsed Japan invading Russia. You don't seem to grasp that escalation means ending it all.

MAD applies to domestic politics as well, in terms of being willing to use the same weapons on your political opponents that they use against you.

Also, the Kuril's are Japanese territory, and have been recognized as such by DC since the end of WW2, regardless of the USSR's or Russia's occupation of them.

Edit: Also, Moscow won't end the world over the Kuril's, because losing them does not endanger the Russian 'core' west of the Urals.

 

[Abhorsen]

If you are going to concede 'law enforcement' as an organ of state to the Democrats, you have already completely surrendered, you just don't know it yet.

Federal prosecution? Yeah, that's dem owned. The FBI & ATF hate the right also.

MAD applies to domestic politics as well, in terms of being willing to use the same weapons on your political opponents that they use against you.

Also, the Kuril's are Japanese territory, and have been recognized as such by DC since the end of WW2, regardless of the USSR's Russia's occupation of them.

Lol. You don't get that doing either thing leads to destruction of both. And the Dem's aren't afraid of the R's trying either. They want it. They want it badly.

 

[Zachowon]

Ngl, nuclear hellfire do be looking kinda good sometimes.

See, someone gets it

 

[Bacle]

Lol. You don't get that doing either thing leads to destruction of both. And the Dem's aren't afraid of the R's trying either. They want it. They want it badly.

No, enforcing MAD politically just means the Dems can no longer take for granted that they can get away with things that they won't get let the GOP get away with.

And the Dems do not want political MAD, because they have far more to lose than the GOP at this point; the Dems want the GOP to continue to turn the other cheek and knuckle under.

The fact is, the only people besides the Dems who benefit from your idea of the GOP continuing to knuckle under are your friends in the Libertarian party. And that's what most of your politics is about; trying to sabotage both major parties so the Libertarians can gain ground.

 

[King Arts]

Federal prosecution? Yeah, that's dem owned. The FBI & ATF hate the right also.

Lol. You don't get that doing either thing leads to destruction of both. And the Dem's aren't afraid of the R's trying either. They want it. They want it badly.

That’s why most republicans are stupid the democrats did not have to win. But “muh small gubmit” castrated themselves and allowed the FBI and other nationwide law enforcement to prefer the Dems. The loyalty of police forces that can operate anywhere in the nation should have been highly prized. Yet the republicans wanted to cut that just like the post office so government workers through simple self interest already would be predisposed to be against conservatives.

 

[Rocinante]

@Abhorsen There's no turning back from imprisoning a former national leader who is the chief rival of the current national leader. A country never recovers from it peacefully.

We are in for some turmoil, period. It's either political and social war or all out war. I still see a way out of this that isn't all out war, but it's going to require the GOP getting power and not being afraid to use it.

I get the libertarian and GOP perspective: be careful because the other side will use that power, too. And I agree with that when it comes to creating and granting NEW powers. Thing is, these powers already exist, and the Democrats are already using them.

We are already there. They're already arresting political rivals. They're already conducting false flag "extremist" demonstrations (patriot front,) they're already arresting and indefinitely imprisoning protesters without charges, they're already manipulating and controlling the media, they're running mass censorship campaigns. All these things we fear? They're out there doing them right fucking now.

All this is happening. They're doing it, have been for years, They're getting away with it, and will continue to do it as long as they are able.

The right needs to fight back. Even if it's a difficult fight. Even if we might lose that fight - because doing nothing ENSURES LOSING.

Only when they fear retribution, will they stop.

As I've said. I'm not black pilled anymore. I see hope. It's narrow, but it's there, and it requires the GOP winning elections, growing a fucking spine and actually fighting back.

 

[Abhorsen]

That’s why most republicans are stupid the democrats did not have to win. But “muh small gubmit” castrated themselves and allowed the FBI and other nationwide law enforcement to prefer the Dems.

That's the thing: they weren't small gubmit: they kept giving the FBI more and more power, and whuddya know? The snake bit the hand that fed it. After small government people warned again and again this was happening.

I get the libertarian and GOP perspective: be careful because the other side will use that power, too. And I agree with that when it comes to creating and granting NEW powers. Thing is, these powers already exist, and the Democrats are already using them.

We are already there. They're already arresting political rivals. They're already conducting false flag "extremist" demonstrations (patriot front,) they're already arresting and indefinitely imprisoning protesters without charges, they're already manipulating and controlling the media, they're running mass censorship campaigns. All these things we fear? They're out there doing them right fucking now.

I'm not saying 'be careful about using power'; I'm saying destroy the power. It's the one ring: using it won't help you.

If the R's or D's win this way, we end up in an authoritarian hell hole that stylizes itself as 'free'. That's it.

Injustice, legal and illegal, has happened before, and America has overcome it. More and more I look and see that the government is going authoritarian, and the solution isn't 'My type of authoritarian', it's cripple the government.

Abolishing the FBI would be a good start.

 

[Bacle]

That's the thing: they weren't small gubmit: they kept giving the FBI more and more power, and whuddya know? The snake bit the hand that fed it. After small government people warned again and again this was happening.


I'm not saying 'be careful about using power'; I'm saying destroy the power. It's the one ring: using it won't help you.

If the R's or D's win this way, we end up in an authoritarian hell hole that stylizes itself as 'free'. That's it.

Injustice, legal and illegal, has happened before, and America has overcome it. More and more I look and see that the government is going authoritarian, and the solution isn't 'My type of authoritarian', it's cripple the government.

Abolishing the FBI would be a good start.

And pretty much no one but AnCaps like you and some of the Libertarians want to 'cripple the government'.

The government will never be crippled or brought down the way you fantasize about, because the rest of the US realize that the government is necessary for day to day life and national defense in thousands of ways that people barely notice in their day-to-day lives, but would have a hard time living without.

Government and government power isn't the One Ring that can just be cast into Mt. Doom; it is a foundational aspect of human civilization going back farther than recorded history.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

The government will never be crippled or brought down the way you fantasize about, because the rest of the US realize that the government is necessary for day to day life and national defense in thousands of ways that people barely notice in their day-to-day lives, but would have a hard time living without.

The is false, but the government is very happy you've come to believe this.

 

[Abhorsen]

And pretty much no one but AnCaps like you and some of the Libertarians want to 'cripple the government'.

The government will never be crippled or brought down the way you fantasize about, because the rest of the US realize that the government is necessary for day to day life and national defense in thousands of ways that people barely notice in their day-to-day lives, but would have a hard time living without.

Government and government power isn't the One Ring that can just be cast into Mt. Doom; it is a foundational aspect of human civilization going back farther than recorded history.

Lol. Says the person who's complaining right now about what the government is doing. Cuddle a cobra, and you get what you deserve.

 

[Bacle]

The is false, but the government is very happy you've come to believe this.

No, not really; government control/infleunce/actions is present everywhere in the modern world in small ways that most don't notice.

Everytime you use the internet, every time you stop at a stoplight, every time you send a piece of mail, every time you use your phone, every time you even just turn on the lights (unless you are completely off-grid) you are using/interacting with the government in one way or another, even if it's just the local or Federal regulatory bodies that set standards for stuff.

Lol. Says the person who's complaining right now about what the government is doing. Cuddle a cobra, and you get what you deserve.

There is a difference between 'complaining' about the government and it's actions, and being so deluded that 'crippling the government' seems a preferable or realistic alternative.

Edit: Unlike you I don't harbor the AnCap delusions about society and the ability of the normal person to function in day-to-day life without interaction or participating in 'the government' to some degree.

Edit 2: Even the fucking Ferengi knew you couldn't have a society without a governing body, and the Ferengi Alliance is about as close to the AnCap ideal as has ever been shown in fiction.

 

[Vyor]

That's the thing: they weren't small gubmit: they kept giving the FBI more and more power, and whuddya know? The snake bit the hand that fed it. After small government people warned again and again this was happening.

That was democrats.

 

[Abhorsen]

There is a difference between 'complaining' about the government and it's actions, and being so deluded that 'crippling the government' seems a preferable or realistic alternative.

So you just want to complain to complain then. Gotcha. Meanwhile, people who don't want WW3 or the next civil war are going to have productive convos about how to actually stop it.

Look, simply abolishing the FBI would do a great deal to restore trust in the system, as opposed to attacking the Bidens which will be a waste of time. Biden isn't running for reelection past 2024: he either wins and is done, or loses and is done. It does little good to punish him.

Punishing Fauci? That does something at least.


Giving congress the power to prosecute? That also does a lot to ensure that this BS stops happening in the future. Shockingly, when you fuck up massively, it's a good idea to look at how you fucked up and ensure it can't happen again.

Stopping Government from communicating with social media? That also does a lot to stop this BS from happening in the future.

That was democrats.

The Patriot Act was both. Their funding was both. The war on drugs was both. The idea that the republicans had nothing to do with the runaway nature of the FBI is absurd. They've had office since it existed, why not limit its powers instead of expanding them since?

 

[Bigking321]

Yeah...

It sucks but it was both parties.

The Republicans just claimed to want to reduce the size of government but never followed through. That's why the republican base kind of hates the establishment.

 

[Abhorsen]

Yeah...

It sucks but it was both parties.

The Republicans just claimed to want to reduce the size of government but never followed through. That's why the republican base kind of hates the establishment.

Yeah. Remember that it is a problem that can be fixed though, with just a good leader. The classic example is Reagan, but really Thatcher is the better example. She singlehandedly turned a semi-socialist state into a capitalist one.

Honestly, I don't think DeSantis is the best choice. He's good on the culture war, but you need to extract rot instead, and his campaign has been a turn off. Vivek, however, I really, really like. He looks like he's going to clean house, and I respect his call for pardoning Trump. Trump himself I'm iffy about. If it was just Trump, sure. But Trump picks bad people, and picking good people is very necessary (Bolton, Barr, Fauci, need I say more?).

 

[King Arts]

Lol. Says the person who's complaining right now about what the government is doing. Cuddle a cobra, and you get what you deserve.

You are acting like the gun grabbers do. "Oh this gun only kills people lots of innocent people have been killed by guns. IT'S LE BAD!"

You are "Oh government kills people, lots of innocent people have been killed or oppressed by government power. IT'S LE BAD!"

Government power is a tool like any other it's not a snake, the only problem is the people who wield it's authority and power not the authority.

 

[Abhorsen]

You are acting like the gun grabbers do. "Oh this gun only kills people lots of innocent people have been killed by guns. IT'S LE BAD!"

You are "Oh government kills people, lots of innocent people have been killed or oppressed by government power. IT'S LE BAD!"

Government power is a tool like any other it's not a snake, the only problem is the people who wield it's authority and power not the authority.

... Government is an animate object: the people that comprise it make choices. Guns are not. Government does stuff, a gun is only acted upon.

This is just a horrible comparison, try again.