Trump Investigations Thread

strunkenwhite

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@Blasterbot I mean I guess you could argue that US attorneys included that clip for no reason other than to dunk on all the people claiming he had in fact declassified the documents and therefore everything was fine. But I doubt it.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
sure bruh. we just both say coolio at eachother and I link a song. I am sure your recordings will finally get him. that the walls are closing in. that this will be the thing that finally beats donald trump. that it won't be revealed that there is additional context should it get to court. that everything will go your way.

Part of me wants him to get convicted because I think it will convince over 70 million Amaricans that they don't have a legitimate government anymore.

And that won't go the way the elites and the commies expect it.

But the part of my brain that lived through that knows that's a bad idea and wants the people of Miami to humiliate the DOJ by acquiring him just to spite Communists in the government
 
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Megadeath

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Uh huh... Except the interpretation they're peddling only works if you only acknowledge chosen sound bites from the leak. Others do not make sense at all if he's simply holding up some random news article. For example "Wait a minute, let's see here. I just found, isn't that amazing? This totally wins my case, you know. Except it is like, highly confidential. Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this." How can "this" win his case if it's simply a news article slanted against him? Or “They presented me this – this is off the record, but – they presented me this." If he's just showing them a newspaper, why keep that off the record?
This sites local Never Trumpers peddle another hoax? Shocker.
Another trump cultist jumping through mental hoops, and stretching definitions and credulity so far trump could wear it as a belt, to try and justify another stupid thing he's done or said? I bet you were one of the idiots sitting around waiting for him to declare martial law from his secret bunker and arrest basically the entire government after they "showed their hands" with the "treason" of his "fraudulent" election loss, weren't you?
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
Another trump cultist jumping through mental hoops, and stretching definitions and credulity so far trump could wear it as a belt, to try and justify another stupid thing he's done or said? I bet you were one of the idiots sitting around waiting for him to declare martial law from his secret bunker and arrest basically the entire government after they "showed their hands" with the "treason" of his "fraudulent" election loss, weren't you?

Now why would he trust a limp wristed New York Democrat to do that?
 

DarthOne

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That's actually why I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, that past party affiliation, and since he was palling around with the likes of Hollywood and their ilk, at the time I thought it was all just a big farce by the establishment to give that bitch Hillary a pretend opponent.
To be fair, that actually was Hilary’s plan. She wanted Trump to win the Republican nomination because she though she could easily beat him and pulled some string to help make it happen.

Unfortunately for her, it backfired. Hilariously.
 

Airedale260

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Yep, 30,000 emails and not one was classified. There's also a difference between not having sufficient security on confidential emails, and actively showing classified military information to a publisher.


Youre right and I was mistemembering. That said, mens rea is a required element for prosecuting basically all crimes. Also, again, there's a difference between confidential emails that don't have sufficiently secure servers, and classified military documents shared with a publisher.

Actually, a couple things on this:


A) when the FBI searched Anthony Weiner’s laptop, they found forensic evidence of emails Clinton had sent to Weiner’s wife, which did turn out to include classified information. That was why Comey ended up having to announce in October that there was in fact more to the story.

B) The Espionage Act doesn’t take into account mens rea; whether you meant to do harm or not is irrelevant. Comey tried to invent a nonexistent standard to cover for Clinton, hoping most people wouldn’t notice the lie. And with classified info, there are special handling rules.

At a minimum, she should have been hit with charges for defying a subpoena herself; that she wasn’t is because she was being given the kid glove treatment by Obama’s DOJ. However, she would then have had a possible defense to say that Obama himself knew about it and had technically declassified them (since Obama turned out to also be on some of those emails from her own server). So legally she might have been in the clear, but it was very clear nobody wanted to discuss the potential scandal that would have created.


It's always good to keep one's facts straight. The point of the audio isn't to demonstrate that that particular document was among the ones he refused to return when asked (the charges are, as is commonly the case, more about the coverup than the initial incident) but rather to demonstrate that he was fully aware of the fact that he had not declassified the classified documents he took home.

I don't think they charged him exactly for having classified documents but the fact that they were classified is material to the charges they did file and the events that (allegedly) transpired.
Correct. They had to make the distinction because otherwise everyone would cotton onto it being a selective prosecution (and don’t get me wrong, it absolutely is) and wonder why Biden and Clinton weren’t also put in jail.
 

bintananth

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Correct. They had to make the distinction because otherwise everyone would cotton onto it being a selective prosecution (and don’t get me wrong, it absolutely is) and wonder why Biden and Clinton weren’t also put in jail.
Selective prosecution or no - I don't want to get into that debate - Trump is his own worst enemy because his ego makes it all about Trump and he is incapable of either keeping his mouth shut or admitting that he made a mistake.

This time he got caught with his hand in the proverbial cookie jar in a way that wasn't going to be allowed to slide with a slap on the wrist. The sheer number of serious charges is an indication of that.

To paraphrase a Chris Rock sketch: It's sorta like the difference between jumping a subway turnstile compared to jumping a subway turnstile while smoking a joint and brandishing a firearm. The former gets you at worst a ticket and a fine. The latter gets you a long prison sentence.
 

Doomsought

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To paraphrase a Chris Rock sketch: It's sorta like the difference between jumping a subway turnstile compared to jumping a subway turnstile while smoking a joint and brandishing a firearm. The former gets you at worst a ticket and a fine. The latter gets you a long prison sentence.
Except that would be a more accurate analogy for Biden, with his Chinese connections.
 

bintananth

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Except that would be a more accurate analogy for Biden, with his Chinese connections.
Eh, give it time.

Prosecutors tend to be cautious when charging powerful politicians with lots of allies. Unless it's a slam dunk "guilty" verdict which won't be tossed on appeal or quickly pardoned they usually don't bother.
 

Megadeath

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Except that would be a more accurate analogy for Biden, with his Chinese connections.
That'd be the Biden with the China connections, who's administration took tougher and more effective action on China with the chip bans than trump or pretty much anyone else? Boy, his Chinese handlers really shot themselves in the foot with that one. 🙄
 

Megadeath

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The hoops people will jump through to defend a guy whose own daughter accuses of raping her is amazing.

But that's about what I'd expect from a former SB mod, whose country had concentration camps for the unvaccinated
Remarkable, literally every part of what you said is untrue whilst simultaneously failing to address any part of any issue.

But that's about what I'd expect from the kinda quitter who gives up on their own shit hole country to ruin someone else's instead.
 
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The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
Remarkable, literally every part of what you said is untrue whilst simultaneously failing to address any part of any issue.

But that's about what I'd expect from the kinda quitter who gives up on their own shit hole country to ruin someone else's instead.

Lmao the leftist always defaults to "Know thy place illiterate latin serf"

Every fucking time. 492472391247593473.png
 

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