Trump Investigations Thread

[Bacle]

Yeah, they do now. But start charging that kind of admission and they're just going to settle for Canada, UK, Australia or somewhere else. It might be a second choice, but most people will take that second choice rather than paying $25,000-$1,000,000 for the first choice. You sure as hell aren't finding 250,000 people willing to year after year.

Eh, maybe that's a good thing; the US labor market would sure look better for employees if legal and illegal immigration were both heavily curtailed.

Making people who want to move to the US pay 25k for the priviledge to even be considered, plus millions more if they win, and they get none of the benefits legal, natural-born US citizens enjoy would definitely help the labor market.

Adding the same sort of costs and preconditions to H1Bs would also be useful; make it more expensive for companies to bring in foreign 'talent' that has their citizenship tied to their job.

The US doesn't need, and no longer benefits from, large scale immigration; we have no frontier to fill in anymore, and these days large scale immigration has been twisted by political and corpo interests to become an alternative to paying living wages to people born in the US.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Will Trump still get Secret Service protection and intelligence briefings if he is in Federal Prison?

Because he should... if only to maximize the inherent ridiculousness of this whole situation.

 

[Typhonis]

Will Trump still get Secret Service protection and intelligence briefings if he is in Federal Prison?

Because he should... if only to maximize the inherent ridiculousness of this whole situation.

Remand him to house arrest in the White House? He can't leave without alerting his parole officer ahead of time.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Remand him to house arrest in the White House? He can't leave without alerting his parole officer ahead of time.

I like this solution!!!

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Will Trump still get Secret Service protection and intelligence briefings if he is in Federal Prison?

I am picturing Trump getting a tattoo upon being omitted saying. "Hillary oh Hillary why aren't you here?" And just walking around with secret servicemen at his side like they're his boyz, as if he is the baddest POS in the clink.

In all seriousness though wouldn't be surprised if they send him with none in the hopes that someone shanks him before next election cycle.

 

[Megadeath]

It's free money that comes from people who have that money. People who are generally well educated and have a proven ability to economically out perform.

Bring in a college educated twenty five year old and you gain all of the benefits of their ~20 years of invested education and the living expenses that went into their life to date without having to front any of the costs. You also get to tax them at the same rate as US citizens without having to provide them the same benefits and they still get a lower tax burden than the nations that they are coming from (as a general rule).

Give me your energetic, your wealthy, your educated elite yearning for a better life. That you can get them to pay your for the privilege is just icing on top.

You've somehow misunderstood. I can understand the obvious benefits to the US from such a scheme. What isn't obvious is why you'd think the US would remain a competitive as a destination for any meaningful kind of immigration when the cost gets massively jacked up whilst specifically and explicitly disadvantaging people who take it.

As an analogy, iPhone is a clear first choice for mobile phones in the US. But if they sold the next generation using blind lottery with a minimum cost twice the competitors, whilst simultaneously removing several features from the previous gen phones, what do you think would happen to their market share?

Eh, maybe that's a good thing; the US labor market would sure look better for employees if legal and illegal immigration were both heavily curtailed.

Making people who want to move to the US pay 25k for the priviledge to even be considered, plus millions more if they win, and they get none of the benefits legal, natural-born US citizens enjoy would definitely help the labor market.

Adding the same sort of costs and preconditions to H1Bs would also be useful; make it more expensive for companies to bring in foreign 'talent' that has their citizenship tied to their job.

The US doesn't need, and no longer benefits from, large scale immigration; we have no frontier to fill in anymore, and these days large scale immigration has been twisted by political and corpo interests to become an alternative to paying living wages to people born in the US.

I disagree, but that's kinda irrelevant to the point under discussion. The idea was suggested as a way to provide large injections of money to the US, not as an immigration control device. It would work as the latter, which makes it largely useless for the former. Though it sounds like you agree on that, so I appreciate your support.

 

[Bacle]

I disagree, but that's kinda irrelevant to the point under discussion. The idea was suggested as a way to provide large injections of money to the US, not as an immigration control device. It would work as the latter, which makes it largely useless for the former. Though it sounds like you agree on that, so I appreciate your support.

No, putting additional fees and taxes on H1B holders, while denying them benefits that natural-born citizens get, would be a great revenue stream for the US and a great way to aid the US labor market.

If H1B holders had to pay a much higher tax rate, ad deal with additional fees, compared to someone natural-born in the same position, it would work both for revenue and immigration purposes.

Using both Tippy's idea and this one would do wonder for revenue generation and helping the natural-born labor market.

 

[Megadeath]

No, putting additional fees and taxes on H1B holders, while denying them benefits that natural-born citizens get, would be a great revenue stream for the US and a great way to aid the US labor market.

If H1B holders had to pay a much higher tax rate, ad deal with additional fees, compared to someone natural-born in the same position, it would work both for revenue and immigration purposes.

Using both Tippy's idea and this one would do wonder for revenue generation and helping the natural-born labor market.

🤨 How can it simultaneously meaningfully produce revenue by having lots of people pay lots of money, whilst also significantly helping the local labour market by reducing immigration by a large enough amount to matter? The two are kinda mutually contradictory. There's also still not been anything offered to suggest that this would do anything other than totally collapse immigration. I'm not at all convinces there's 250,000 potential immigrants per year who could afford the increased costs, and I'm very strongly of the opinion that even of the number that could many would choose a similar option that doesn't come with the additional cost.

 

[Bacle]

🤨 How can it simultaneously meaningfully produce revenue by having lots of people pay lots of money, whilst also significantly helping the local labour market by reducing immigration by a large enough amount to matter? The two are kinda mutually contradictory.

Because rich foreigners and desparate/greedy companies will pay the prices to keep up the H1Bs, or they will pay less to employ native labor and thus keep more revenue and money in the hands of the American people.

It's a scheme designed to either makes lots of money for the gov with current immigration levels, or opens up a lot of jobs for the native populace when H1Bs are no longer profitable for anything other than very specialized work and/or on an very temporary basis.

There's also still not been anything offered to suggest that this would do anything other than totally collapse immigration. I'm not at all convinces there's 250,000 potential immigrants per year who could afford the increased costs, and I'm very strongly of the opinion that even of the number that could many would choose a similar option that doesn't come with the additional cost.

Is collapsing immigration a bad thing, though?

The US and our territories/population would be fine if there were few foreigners being imported or coming here to take jobs from people here.

Our domestic market and MIC weapons sales to allies, along with Hollywood IP and banking stuff, account for enough industrial income and output to make it so the US can easily survive on much less immigration and still thrive/thrive again.

As well, the countries people come from need to be fixed themselves, instead of using the US as a relief value for domestic issues.

 

[Megadeath]

Because rich foreigners and desparate/greedy companies will pay the prices to keep up the H1Bs, or they will pay less to employ native labor and thus keep more revenue and money in the hands of the American people.

It's a scheme designed to either makes lots of money for the gov with current immigration levels, or opens up a lot of jobs for the native populace when H1Bs are no longer profitable for anything other than very specialized work and/or on an very temporary basis.

Haha, that's my point! It's an either/or. In your last post you said it "would be a great revenue stream for the US and a great way to aid the US labor market." and that was wrong. It's one or the other, and I strongly suspect it's specifically the "collapse immigration" option. Which makes it unsuitable for the goal it was intended for.

Is collapsing immigration a bad thing, though?

The US and our territories/population would be fine if there were few foreigners being imported or coming here to take jobs from people here.

Our domestic market and MIC weapons sales to allies, along with Hollywood IP and banking stuff, account for enough industrial income and output to make it so the US can easily survive on much less immigration and still thrive/thrive again.

As well, the countries people come from need to be fixed themselves, instead of using the US as a relief value for domestic issues.

Well, to my mind yes. But we're going in circles. In fact...

I disagree, but that's kinda irrelevant to the point under discussion. The idea was suggested as a way to provide large injections of money to the US, not as an immigration control device. It would work as the latter, which makes it largely useless for the former. Though it sounds like you agree on that, so I appreciate your support.

That exact post works just as well in response to this one.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Without wading into the discussion too much immigration is not a right, that it is now seen as a universal human right is one of the more perverse miscarriages of justice in human history.

A nation has every right to close its borders or only allow a certain sort of immigration.

Or to curtail the rights of immigrants. Like I wouldn't mind losing the right to vote if it meant my kids were gauranteed certain things by law above others who came in.

I dont think Chinese citizens should be allowed to own any property in the US unless they renounce their citizenship and swear an oath to oppose the CCP and inform on anyone affiliated with them. And companies like Blackrock who are hugely indebted and in bed with The PRC should lose everything.

Protectionism isn't inherently evil, unless it becomes about racial supremacy or someshit.

 

[Megadeath]

Without wading into the discussion too much immigration is not a right, that it is now seen as a universal human right is one of the more perverse miscarriages of justice in human history.

A nation has every right to close its borders or only allow a certain sort of immigration.

Or to curtail the rights of immigrants. Like I wouldn't mind losing the right to vote if it meant my kids were gauranteed certain things by law above others who came in.

I dont think Chinese citizens should be allowed to own any property in the US unless they renounce their citizenship and swear an oath to oppose the CCP and inform on anyone affiliated with them. And companies like Blackrock who are hugely indebted and in bed with The PRC should lose everything.

Protectionism isn't inherently, unless it becomes about racial supremacy or someshit.

FWIW, and I'm sure it'll surprise people, but I basically agree with that. I know it surprised me to find a second thing we agree on.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

FWIW, and I'm sure it'll surprise people, but I basically agree with that. I know it surprised me to find a second thing we agree on.

I mean, protectionism is kind of a lefty position, if an incredibly old-school one.

 

[Bigking321]

I'm normally fine with legal immigration and all, but holy crap our borders are wide open and we've had millions of people enter the country and get shipped all over.

If we ever have a hot war again it would have been child's play for China or whoever to activate the 100 or so sleeper cells they put in various cities to cause absolute havoc. We are so screwed.

We need a total pause on immigration until everyone in country illegally is dealt with. Either by being assimilated to being American instead of a invader or deported or arrested.

 

[IndyFront]

Me and my conservative-leaning friends pretty much agree that legal immigration is fine, but illegal immigration should be treated like any other illegal thing, notwithstanding the fentanyl pouring in that's killing people left and right (took one of my friends recently, seriously fuck fentanyl, its a scourge to be eliminated from the populace by any means necessary)

 

[Typhonis]

Me and my conservative-leaning friends pretty much agree that legal immigration is fine, but illegal immigration should be treated like any other illegal thing, notwithstanding the fentanyl pouring in that's killing people left and right (took one of my friends recently, seriously fuck fentanyl, its a scourge to be eliminated from the populace by any means necessary)

I wonder if the CIA is partially behind the Fentanyl, like they were behind the cocaine mess in the 80's.

 

[Rocinante]

I wonder if the CIA is partially behind the Fentanyl, like they were behind the cocaine mess in the 80's.

The Cia is absolutely involved in this. They make a lot of their off books money from criminal activity. They're working with cartels. They might be the biggest cartel for all we know.

 

[Typhonis]

You know what...if I was president? I would sic the IRS on the CIA to see what money they have made that is Off the Books. Because...that is taxable income and it needs to be reported.

 

[Megadeath]

You know what...if I was president? I would sic the IRS on the CIA to see what money they have made that is Off the Books. Because...that is taxable income and it needs to be reported.

Pretty sure government organisations don't pay tax? 🤨

 

[Typhonis]

Pretty sure government organisations don't pay tax? 🤨

I'm also sure government organizations aren't supposed to make money, save for a select few, nor aid and abette criminal organizations.