Trump Investigations Thread

[Cherico]

Meanwhile the vultures giggle and laugh.

'The View' celebrates Trump's indictment, mocks his grandchildren for having grandparents with 'mugshots'

"The View" celebrated the indictment of former President Donald Trump on Friday, even taking shots at his grandchildren for having grandfathers with "mugshots."

www.foxnews.com

vultures giggled and laughed when they killed the first grachi brother, and the second, they will win for a while yet, but then a stronger much angeir populist movement will rise and they will weep for the days of Trump.

 

[Typhonis]

vultures giggled and laughed when they killed the first grachi brother, and the second, they will win for a while yet, but then a stronger much angeir populist movement will rise and they will weep for the days of Trump.

I can almost hear them beg to at least negotiate. We can still negotiate...as they are drug away and told. You had a chance and laughed at us.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

Assuming this is actually the Stormy Daniels thing and the media reporting is accurate (at least mostly), this is going to be amusing and does nothing but benefit Trump.

That statute of limitations for the suspected charges expired in 2021. The first hurdle the prosecution faces is overcoming that, which relies on the argument that Trump was unavailable/out of state/his location was unknown.

Then if you get past the SoL issue, you run into the issue with the charges themselves. First the prosecution would have to prove that the payments in question were what they say they are and that how they were recorded was improper. Then comes the second big legal reach, because the felony allegation is that those payments amount to illegal campaign donations (which is a novel, dubious, and hard to prove argument).

Before you get to that though, Trump is likely to try and remove the case to federal court and for a change of venue out of NYC.

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Then, of course, you have the political elements of all of this. It would not be at all surprising to see Bragg subpoenaed by the House over this.

Then you have the massive boon that this whole shitfest is for Trump. He gets to, easily, shift the election from being about policies or even Trump's suitability to being about Democrat abuse of power and a sustained Democrat witch hunt against him. The Steele Dossier, funded by Hillary Clinton and wholly false. The anti-Trump corruption at the FBI. The two impeachments. The Mar-a-Lago raid when it turns out that Biden kept all kinds of classified information from when he was VP.

Ignoring Trump was the best play politically, but by charging him in a clearly politically motivated manner the Democrats have forced all the Republicans to rally around him and undercut a lot of the Trump exhaustion that has been working against him.

 

[DarthOne]

Assuming this is actually the Stormy Daniels thing and the media reporting is accurate (at least mostly), this is going to be amusing and does nothing but benefit Trump.

That statute of limitations for the suspected charges expired in 2021. The first hurdle the prosecution faces is overcoming that, which relies on the argument that Trump was unavailable/out of state/his location was unknown.

Then if you get past the SoL issue, you run into the issue with the charges themselves. First the prosecution would have to prove that the payments in question were what they say they are and that how they were recorded was improper. Then comes the second big legal reach, because the felony allegation is that those payments amount to illegal campaign donations (which is a novel, dubious, and hard to prove argument).

Before you get to that though, Trump is likely to try and remove the case to federal court and for a change of venue out of NYC.

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Then, of course, you have the political elements of all of this. It would not be at all surprising to see Bragg subpoenaed by the House over this.

Then you have the massive boon that this whole shitfest is for Trump. He gets to, easily, shift the election from being about policies or even Trump's suitability to being about Democrat abuse of power and a sustained Democrat witch hunt against him. The Steele Dossier, funded by Hillary Clinton and wholly false. The anti-Trump corruption at the FBI. The two impeachments. The Mar-a-Lago raid when it turns out that Biden kept all kinds of classified information from when he was VP.

Ignoring Trump was the best play politically, but by charging him in a clearly politically motivated manner the Democrats have forced all the Republicans to rally around him and undercut a lot of the Trump exhaustion that has been working against him.

Again, I am bewildered by how everyone assumes that the Deep State is going to play fair in the slightest. They've shown that laws are ink on a page to them; a page they'll go on to use as toilet paper to boot.

What of the January 6th prisoners? Of Julian Assange? All of Epsteins' 'clients' who have yet to be arrested?

The Deep State is more than willing to do whatever it can get away with to protect itself. And now their backs are to a wall- they know if Trump gets elected, they're likely screwed. A cornered animal is the most dangerous- humans are no different.

So they have two choices- back down and likely lose, try to make a deal with someone who they've antagonized for years, or flip over the table and rule over the ashes.

Well either that and replace Trump with a double or clone, but that's a bit too wacky conspiracy theory for my mind.

 

[Typhonis]

So...the Deep State could very well Martyr Trump and claim it was what? An accident or that he was an old man in ill health?

 

[DarthOne]

So...the Deep State could very well Martyr Trump and claim it was what? An accident or that he was an old man in ill health?

Exactly. Especially if they can pull it off as him just being an old man who just happened to get sick and die. They can certainly forge a mortuary report and so on.

Of course, I wouldn't rule out them doing another JFK incident. With the (alphabet organization manipulated) shooter either being passed off as a nut or a part of MAGA who 'was angry that Trump wasn't extreme enough'. The latter would be a neat and tidy way to deliver a blow to the MAGA movement on multiple fronts and provide 'evidence' that MAGA is full of neo-nazis 'too crazy for even Trump to control'.

Now of course this could backfire on them disastrously. But these are people who are both arrogant and scared. Especially scared- otherwise, they wouldn't have gone at Trump like this at all.

 

[Tiamat]

Exactly. Especially if they can pull it off as him just being an old man who just happened to get sick and die. They can certainly forge a mortuary report and so on.

Of course, I wouldn't rule out them doing another JFK incident. With the (alphabet organization manipulated) shooter either being passed off as a nut or a part of MAGA who 'was angry that Trump wasn't extreme enough'. The latter would be a neat and tidy way to deliver a blow to the MAGA movement on multiple fronts and provide 'evidence' that MAGA is full of neo-nazis 'too crazy for even Trump to control'.

Now of course this could backfire on them disastrously. But these are people who are both arrogant and scared. Especially scared- otherwise, they wouldn't have gone at Trump like this at all.

Dude, if he so much as supposedly “slips in the shower”, everyone will see right through that and know what it entails, regional fighting and riots break out and it gradually goes full tilt civil war from there.

Or…a more likely scenario the case gets picked apart and trump gets the massive boost he wanted all along.

 

[Zyobot]

Exactly. Especially if they can pull it off as him just being an old man who just happened to get sick and die. They can certainly forge a mortuary report and so on.

Not to mention how it'd be doubly suspicious if Biden outlived him, mostly because (as far as I can tell) he's way sicker than Trump — and thus, has a way higher probability of dying than Trump does, whether from natural causes or bending the wrong way as he goes about his daily business.

Granted, it's true that Biden is the first octogenarian president, but in practice, a four-year age difference doesn't mean much at that age. Maybe that'll be a favorite talking point among Democrats, given that Trump is seventy-six as it stands.

Of course, I wouldn't rule out them doing another JFK incident. With the (alphabet organization manipulated) shooter either being passed off as a nut or a part of MAGA who 'was angry that Trump wasn't extreme enough'. The latter would be a neat and tidy way to deliver a blow to the MAGA movement on multiple fronts and provide 'evidence' that MAGA is full of neo-nazis 'too crazy for even Trump to control'.

Now of course this could backfire on them disastrously. But these are people who are both arrogant and scared. Especially scared- otherwise, they wouldn't have gone at Trump like this at all.

In that case, who else wonders what Warren Commission 2.0 will conclude?

At first, I thought it was more likely your scenario would have them trot out the "Shooter acted alone!" line and leave it at that, much as they did with JFK originally.

On the other hand... they have a far more vested interest in shutting down MAGA than they did Kennedy's supporters, so they may swing all the way in the opposite direction and claim there's a "MAGA extremist network!" with cells lying in wait everywhere — enabling them to pass Patriot Act 2.0 to "Hunt down the terrorists!" and buttressing the Democrats for 2024. Might even ramp up the Al-Qaeda or Taliban comparisons while they're at it, too, if Biden's Homeland Security head equating MAGA to violent Jihadis on live TV is any indication.

 

[Cherico]

Not to mention how it'd be doubly suspicious if Biden outlived him, mostly because (as far as I can tell) he's way sicker than Trump — and thus, has a way higher probability of dying than Trump does, whether from natural causes or bending the wrong way as he goes about his daily business. Granted, it's true that Biden is the first octogenarian president, but in practice, a four-year age difference doesn't mean much at that age.



In that case, who wonders what Warren Commission 2.0 will conclude?

At first, I thought it was more likely your scenario would have them trot out the "Shooter acted alone!" line and leave it at that, much as they did with JFK originally. On the other hand... they have a far more vested interest in shutting down MAGA than they did Kennedy's supporters, so they may swing all the way in the opposite direction and claim there's a "MAGA extremist network!" with cells lying in wait everywhere — enabling them to pass Patriot Act 2.0 to "Hunt down the terrorists!" and buttressing the Democrats for 2024. Might even ramp up the Al-Qaeda or the Taliban comparisons while they're at it, too, if Biden's Homeland Security head equating MAGA to violent Jihadis on live TV is any indication.

That buys them 20 years tops and the populist movement that comes out the other side will be larger stronger and will desperately want vengeance

 

[DarthOne]

Dude, if he so much as supposedly “slips in the shower”, everyone will see right through that and know what it entails, regional fighting and riots break out and it gradually goes full tilt civil war from there.

Or…a more likely scenario the case gets picked apart and trump gets the massive boost he wanted all along.

Oh I don't doubt we will. But the Blue Dogs and GrillBros will buy it. At least at first until shit hits the fan very, very quickly. Of course, to use some of what @Zyobot pointed out, that could be just the thing they're looking for.

In that case, MAGA is screwed regardless. The options boil down to 'roll over and throw each other under the bus in the subsequent witch hunt by the government' or 'fight'.

 

[DarthOne]

That buys them 20 years tops and the populist movement that comes out the other side will be larger stronger and will desperately want vengeance

Again, not to ruin your 'Roman Republic/ Empire history repeats theory' I don't think it will take that long. Or that the USA has that long.

 

[Zyobot]

That buys them 20 years tops and the populist movement that comes out the other side will be larger stronger and will desperately want vengeance

Potentially, yes.

Unfortunately, the double-edged sword here is that for every 100 hopeful Charismatics, there'll be at least 1 or 2 "Neo-Crusader" terrorists who really are akin to Al-Qaeda or the Taliban in terms of their extremely violent and illiberal reactionary streak. The fact they'd literally have present-day Jihadi examples to look to for inspiration (if certainly not friendship or a lasting alliance) doesn't help there, either, much like I've mentioned before.

 

[Abhorsen]

Again, I am bewildered by how everyone assumes that the Deep State is going to play fair in the slightest. They've shown that laws are ink on a page to them; a page they'll go on to use as toilet paper to boot.

This isn't the deep state. The Deep State are the Beaurocrats/non-politicians in government who stay there for decades and rarely get looked at.

A DA is not a member of the Deep State: the DA is doing this because it's in his self interest. A Democrat in NY known as the one who indicted and prosecuted Trump? He's important now!

So this could be dumb or good for democrats at large, but it was definitely good for this DA.

 

[DarthOne]

This isn't the deep state. The Deep State are the Beaurocrats/non-politicians in government who stay there for decades and rarely get looked at.

A DA is not a member of the Deep State: the DA is doing this because it's in his self interest. A Democrat in NY known as the one who indicted and prosecuted Trump? He's important now!

So this could be dumb or good for democrats at large, but it was definitely good for this DA.

Even if what you say is true, why on earth do you think the Deep State won't jump on this and run with it?

 

[Abhorsen]

Even if what you say is true, why on earth do you think the Deep State won't jump on this and run with it?

Because the deep state has little control over this. First, this is a state matter. Second, this is a court matter. The Deep State is entirely in the Executive Branch/contractors to the Executive Branch, and usually only at the Fed Level.

Now I fully expect blatant shenangians, but it little to none of it will be deep state shenanigans. There's little need for coordination when everyone involved in the process already hates Trump.

I'm just ID'ing the correct problem here, not saying there will be no problem.

 

[DarthOne]

NYPD Informs All Officers to Come to Work In 'Full Uniform' Following Trump Indictment​

District Attorney Alvin Bragg Doubles Down, Orders Every New York Police Officer to Show Up in Uniform For ‘Possible Unrest’ Over Trump Indictment

This is about to get out of hand.

conservativebrief.com

All officers with the NYPD have been instructed to show up Friday morning in "full uniform" following a Manhattan grand jury's indictment of former President Donald Trump on Thursday.

The grand jury determined that sufficient evidence existed to indict Trump concerning the concealment of quiet money payments made to adult film actress Stormy Daniels in 2016, even though legal experts have expressed doubt about Trump's culpability and though federal authorities passed on filing similar charges.

The department has instructed its detectives to wear their full uniform, even those who typically dress in plain clothes, as the city prepares for potential unrest. Additionally, more law enforcement officers will patrol all five boroughs of the city, although there have been no credible threats reported, the Washington Examiner noted.

"The department remains ready and available to respond to protests and counter-protests," NYPD said in a statement to the Wall Street Journal, adding that the department will be working with state and federal authorities regarding safety protocols.

Trump urged his followers to demonstrate on the streets of New York after initially alerting them to his potential arrest earlier this month. In the subsequent weeks, city and law enforcement authorities have convened to strategize security measures.

Conversations between the NYPD and the FBI have centered on the likelihood that a criminal indictment against Trump could heighten risks to Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg and his team, as reported by CNN. Additional subjects encompassed courthouse safety and the prospect of demonstrations near the courthouse. A barrier had been previously set up around the New York courthouse where a grand jury devoted months to hearing testimonies related to the Daniels inquiry.

"The police department said it will respect the public's First Amendment rights but won't tolerate property damage or violence," the Examiner added.

Trump was indicted late Thursday afternoon, according to previous reports, but it came after some believed he would not be indicted this month.

"The break would push any indictment of the former president to late April at the earliest, although it is possible that the grand jury's schedule could change. In recent weeks, the Manhattan district attorney's office hasn't convened the panel on certain days. But it is District Attorney Alvin Bragg's prerogative to ask the grand jury to reconvene if prosecutors want the panel to meet during previously planned breaks," Politico reported earlier in the week.

"The grand jury, which heard testimony in the Trump case on Monday, isn't meeting Wednesday and is expected to examine evidence in a separate matter Thursday, the person said. The grand jury, which typically meets Mondays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays, is scheduled to consider another case next week on Monday and Wednesday, the person said, and isn't expected to meet Thursday due to the Passover holiday," the outlet added.

Trump resides in Florida, and Gov. Ron DeSantis, a prospective 2024 GOP primary opponent of the former president, has made clear where he stands on the matter, announcing on Thursday night that the state will not cooperate with any request to extradite Trump.

"The weaponization of the legal system to advance a political agenda turns the rule of law on its head. It is un-American," DeSantis tweeted.

"The Soros-backed Manhattan District Attorney has consistently bent the law to downgrade felonies and to excuse criminal misconduct. Yet, now he is stretching the law to target a political opponent. Florida will not assist in an extradition request given the questionable circumstances at issue with this Soros-backed Manhattan prosecutor and his political agenda," he added.

Extradition would only be required if Trump refused to leave his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida to attend an arraignment hearing in New York.

A Quinnipiac University Poll postedby Trump on his Truth Social platform found that the vast majority of Americans believe the indictment is politically motivated, including a nearly three-fourths of independents surveyed.

Quinnipiac Poll: Do you think the Manhattan DA's case involving former President Trump is mainly motivated by politics or mainly motivated by the law?

Motivated by Politics: 62%
Motivated by the law: 32%

Politics/Law
GOP: 93/5
Dem: 29/66
Indy: 70/26

 

[Spartan303]

Again, I am bewildered by how everyone assumes that the Deep State is going to play fair in the slightest. They've shown that laws are ink on a page to them; a page they'll go on to use as toilet paper to boot.

What of the January 6th prisoners? Of Julian Assange? All of Epsteins' 'clients' who have yet to be arrested?

The Deep State is more than willing to do whatever it can get away with to protect itself. And now their backs are to a wall- they know if Trump gets elected, they're likely screwed. A cornered animal is the most dangerous- humans are no different.

So they have two choices- back down and likely lose, try to make a deal with someone who they've antagonized for years, or flip over the table and rule over the ashes.

Well either that and replace Trump with a double or clone, but that's a bit too wacky conspiracy theory for my mind.

Honestly? I think even the Deepstate was mostly against this for the main reason that their power is centered on the idea that what they're doing is legitimate, and thus they hide their agenda behind that legitimacy. But there is nothing legitimate about this case simply due to the fact every other politician charged with anything similar got off scot clean or paid a fine. This now throws the legitimacy the Deepstate hides behind into so much question that even Democrats are crying foul and asking questions. And what the Deepstate has relied on is their base and most of America not asking questions. This will most certainly not help in that regard, and people are asking questions and decrying this as a bad idea. Another thing the Deepstate relies upon is being to operate behind the scenes in secret. The Watchdogs of the Media are complicit and in on the scheme and often run cover, concealment and spin for them. But this is too big to cover up and you better believe every eye and ear and camera is going to be on this.

I think that, like it or not they'll have to treat him fairly to a point. Because anything else risks more exposure. Just my opinion though.

 

[DarthOne]

Some interesting information and points about how the Establishment/Deep State could use the trial to royally mess with Trump.

 

[DarthOne]

Charlie Kirk

@charliekirk11


BREAKING: President Trump raises over $4 million in 24 hours after Manhattan DA's indictment. 25% of donations are from first-time donors to the Trump Campaign.

 

[Spartan303]

Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11


BREAKING: President Trump raises over $4 million in 24 hours after Manhattan DA's indictment. 25% of donations are from first-time donors to the Trump Campaign.