DarthOne
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United States Trump 2nd Term - Planning and Beyond
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Terthna
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I'm worried it'll get much, much worse though; to the point where violence becomes the only option for seeking redress of grievances, like what recently may have happened with the UnitedHealthcare CEO.
What's the sitch?
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I doubt it was going to happen anyway, but I wanted "Doctor death" Fauchi and "White rage" Milley to get even some kinda censuring. Maybe Trump will continue the trend of Bidens pardoning and be the first President to "unpardon" people considering all the things that have happened and the way democrats went after their political opponents. I hope Trump understand that after his 4 yrs if someone too weak or a Democrat wins, they will just start all over with never ending investigations on everyone for any reason at any point in their life time, regardless of any Pardons he himself may grant. Democrats started it, but Trump needs to finish it, or they will one way or another.
Trump needs to be ready and willing to pardon massive amounts of the bullshit pushed against Jan 6th folks, and probably be ready to pardon people who decide to take matters into their own hands.
I thought Trump surviving the assassination attempt was going to avert a 'Years of Blood' type situation, but what Biden is doing just brings it even closer still, because if people cannot use the legal system against the people who fucked over and betrayed the US, Trump, and the GOP, some person(s) on the edge with little to nothing to lose is/are going to take extra-legal measures instead.
Edit: Like what happened with that insurance CEO is just a taste of what might be coming if Biden decides to do this shit, and remove legal avenues to hold those people accountable.
TheRomanSlayer
American Imperialists are the New Untermenschen
They'll have to split it into ten or even fifteen more new states and three large territories. Nunavut is too sparsely populated to be a state, ditto with the NWT, and Yukon is more of a meh. However, this may mean that Alaskans won't have to worry about going through BC, just to get to Washington State. At the very least, it can also mean that BC can finally obtain Point Roberts, and we can finally visit the islands that were at the center of the Pig Wars. Ontario, Quebec, and BC would have to be split apart, just so that the rural areas wouldn't have to suffer in elections from the crazy voting trends of the metropolis (Toronto for Ontario and the rest of Canada, Montreal for Quebec and the rest of Canada, and the BC West Coast for the rest of BC).
Nah, Canada comes in as one state, with old state lines becoming county borders.
That way Canada doesn't get any real power over the rest of the states, they just get the Alaska treatment.
Or we could just make the rest of Canada into Greater Alaska, if we don't want to change the flag and reduce the amount of paperwork changes.
Buba
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I learned on this board that this was changed under Obama.
Does not merit that many - Canada has only 35 million people. Three states - the west, let's call it Alberta, the middle - Ontario, and everything east of the Ottawa River - Labrador. The Eskimo areas remain a territory.
TheRomanSlayer
American Imperialists are the New Untermenschen
Except that one state would carry how many electoral college votes? Possibly as much as California's EC votes? And this Canada would end up voting Democrat every time. Better split it so the Democrats wouldn't get the White House for perpetuity. Thing is, we don't even use the county system, so I'm not sure how that is going to work.
Alternatively, you could also have mergers with various states and changing up of some state borders, like the Greater Idaho Project becoming a reality in exchange for western WA and western OR merging with southwestern BC and Vancouver Island to form a new state, Cascadia. The rest of BC would be its own thing, though it wouldn't be called BC, but possibly something else. You might want to merge the two Dakotas together to complement AB, SK, and MB. Southern Ontario would be a separate state, while the rest of ON would also be its own thing.
Robovski
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What could they (Milley, Fauci, ect...) need a pardon for? They haven't been charged with anything right? Guess we're just mask off on what those people truly did to you, me, and everyone in this country and abroad, and they know. And now there is no doubt, because they are to be pardoned to foil all of us of even the catharsis of seeing their asses in jail.
What Biden is doing with these pardons is ensuring that people will just go outside the 'justice' system to deal with them.
Everyone Biden pardons is going to be looking over their shoulders the rest of their lives.
Posterity has their numbers.
In the grand expanse of history, there are few judgements more damning. I differ from many of you in that I don’t think malice was too involved, only initial panic then desperate political saving of face, but incompetence like this must have consequences.
Skitzyfrenic
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Doesn't being pardoned mean that they can't incriminate themselves? 5th amendment no longer applies, subpoena them, grill them until they commit perjury (an entirely new crime), get them to confess. I feel like that's pretty standard. Didn't that happen during Watergate?
Now what could possibly go wrong ?
SoliFortissimi
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The mother of all bubbles
The US has never been so overhyped, relative to the rest of the world
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The setup is already here. The economy is fine until the day Trump is in office, at which point it's in crisis. Naturally, said crisis also ends the very day a Democrat is back in the Oval Office.
And yes, I've become a lot more cynical than I used to be.
DarthOne
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The mother of all bubbles
The US has never been so overhyped, relative to the rest of the world
The setup is already here. The economy is fine until the day Trump is in office, at which point it's in crisis. Naturally, said crisis also ends the very day a Democrat is back in the Oval Office.
And yes, I've become a lot more cynical than I used to be.
Not that surprising. But still not welcome in the slightest. As the election being a poisoned chalice was a major concern of mine and it also explains a lot in regards to the Democrats behavior leading up to the election. Though to be fair some of that incompetence was probably genuine.
Accepting the pardon does indeed mean you waive your 5th amendment right against self incrimination. Which would open them up to an entirely new vulnerability in court: civil lawsuits, which pardons cannot protect them from.
It's also legally dubious if you can pardon someone for a crime discovered or prosecuted after the pardoning, there's no legal precedent for it as the watergate pardon was not tested in court.
The USA is going to experience a small recession once the tariffs go into effect if Trump's tax plan isn't implemented.The mother of all bubbles
The US has never been so overhyped, relative to the rest of the world
The setup is already here. The economy is fine until the day Trump is in office, at which point it's in crisis. Naturally, said crisis also ends the very day a Democrat is back in the Oval Office.
And yes, I've become a lot more cynical than I used to be.
I think the move for Trump is to have Fauci and the rest brought in, then put on a black plane before being extradited to Japan for their criminal trials.
That and beginning massive civil lawsuits against all of them in the US inside every state that's willing to.
That and beginning massive civil lawsuits against all of them in the US inside every state that's willing to.