Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]

Nice. how does it hold up to modern ships?

It would wreck any modern missile cruiser - AA laser defences would laugh off the guided missiles we primarily use today and then its own missiles and railguns would send the enemy to a watery grave. Eight to twelve would be dicy but potentially manageable, and with more than that the missile cruisers would win but take heavy casualties.
 
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The Heavy Battleship USS Columbia in a Shipbucket-style image. Will eventually go back and add a landing pad at the stern, add more details (esp. round the turrets).

Good design, have to go back to either large explosive powered guns launching heavy shells or else rail guns launching the same once Laser AMS was powerful and deployed in enough density.

Probably does weigh in on the same scale as the USS Montana or IJN Yamato class ships, 70-100k tons.

Armoring was probably done a bit differently since without using explosive based weapons there is less need to heavily armor below the turrets where before ammo explosions were the serious killer.

No doubt on these ships the biggest threats are still torpedos. The EUSA probably has supercavitation torpedo’s compared to the NCR due to having the near full old USA tech base to work with.

Detecting and destroying incoming torpedo’s will be much harder the missiles. To do so will probably require counter torpedos.
 
Good design, have to go back to either large explosive powered guns launching heavy shells or else rail guns launching the same once Laser AMS was powerful and deployed in enough density.

Probably does weigh in on the same scale as the USS Montana or IJN Yamato class ships, 70-100k tons.

Armoring was probably done a bit differently since without using explosive based weapons there is less need to heavily armor below the turrets where before ammo explosions were the serious killer.

No doubt on these ships the biggest threats are still torpedos. The EUSA probably has supercavitation torpedo’s compared to the NCR due to having the near full old USA tech base to work with.

Detecting and destroying incoming torpedo’s will be much harder the missiles. To do so will probably require counter torpedos.
I think it was stated in Fallout:Autumn Morning that Us navy ships have those types of torpedos.
 
Good design, have to go back to either large explosive powered guns launching heavy shells or else rail guns launching the same once Laser AMS was powerful and deployed in enough density.

BTW, the secondaries are basically an 8" version of the AGS and the cancelled-IRL Mark 71 gun. The small guns are 75mm/3" versions of the Mark 110 and the big, three-a-turret primaries are of course 18". They do sport 6 VLS cells full to the brim with ASMs, anti-air-missiles and ground-attack cruise missiles as well though.

I notice you didn't comment on the magnetohydrodynamic drive.
Probably does weigh in on the same scale as the USS Montana or IJN Yamato class ships, 70-100k tons.

Well, the original concept was based on a lengthened Montana.
Armoring was probably done a bit differently since without using explosive based weapons there is less need to heavily armor below the turrets where before ammo explosions were the serious killer.

Indeed.

No doubt on these ships the biggest threats are still torpedos. The EUSA probably has supercavitation torpedo’s compared to the NCR due to having the near full old USA tech base to work with.

Certainly.

Detecting and destroying incoming torpedo’s will be much harder the missiles. To do so will probably require counter torpedos.

Most likely, yeah.
 
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Detecting and destroying incoming torpedo’s will be much harder the missiles. To do so will probably require counter torpedos.
One development I could see as nuclear and conventional tipped supercavitating torpedoes become more common is a Tesla defense system. Either from the ship or launched "shock charges" a blast of strong electricity to fry/prematurely detonate incoming torpedoes could be a very potent defense.
 
BTW, the secondaries are basically an 8" version of the AGS and the cancelled-IRL Mark 71 gun. The small guns are 75mm/3" versions of the Mark 110 and the big, three-a-turret primaries are of course 18". They do sport 6 VLS cells full to the brim with ASMs, anti-air-missiles and ground-attack cruise missiles as well though.

I notice you didn't comment on the magnetohydrodynamic drive.

That sounds a bit like stacking up too many different gun systems. I imagine that all the guns are Railguns/Gauss weapons of some sort. The AGS is probably rocket assisted projectiles to get even more distance.

The 8” secondaries are a bit of an odd duck, since the smaller guns are good for targeting lighter ships. As technology has advanced volume in the ship has become very important, especially as I believe fallout tech has not hit the same miniaturization that our technology path has.

You have the big guns, the small 3” or 5” guns depending, laser AMS systems a good load of VLS missiles also. Lot of stuff and fitting it all might cause tread offs. The 8” gun sounds like a good main armament for whatever cruiser class the EUSA has.

Did not comment on the drive because I did not know enough on it currently. I guess the higher power they have to work with along with much better super conductors allows them to make it an effective drive system.

If the EUSA has a large modern fleet the lack of a good Canal is the only thing preventing them from properly deploying it to target the NCR heartland.
 
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The John Paul Jones-class destroyer, complete with plasma railgun!

So plasma Railgun as the big gun, two 3” rapid fire guns, a mixture of missiles, torpedo’s and ASW Work. Probably also a helipad of some sort and some laser AMS projectors?

Lot of stuff to cram onto a destroyer. I imagine that EUSA did not go into Stealth technology like a lot of navy’s are doing OTL.

Especially on smaller craft.
 
So plasma Railgun as the big gun, two 3” rapid fire guns, a mixture of missiles, torpedo’s and ASW Work. Probably also a helipad of some sort and some laser AMS projectors?

Lot of stuff to cram onto a destroyer. I imagine that EUSA did not go into Stealth technology like a lot of navy’s are doing OTL.

Especially on smaller craft.
Stealth was more the Chinese thing in Fallout, although maybe an upsized stealthboy could be used for the ships,
 
Say, Deathclaws are still a thing here right? Alongside, Cyberdogs

Has the NCR had experience with the pet Deathclaws coming at them in large numbers yet?

Because I want to see the sheer terror they will brinh
 
Ch. 17 sneak peek:

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Staff Sergeant Boone Russell looked on at the expanse of the base as he prepared to run laps on the PT field, as he had for so long after his number had come up. The folks up in the Midwest may be complaining about the cold, but here in the State of Mojave it was pleasantly mild. A couple days ago, he had even gone to visit his grandfather – but the old man had been absent. Locals had said he’d gone on a long journey with one of Mr. House’s robots, and wasn’t sure himself if he’d return or not.

He remembered reading James' memoirs of the place – of the tribe of former Vault Dwellers that had lived over here, shooting at anyone who came near until his grandfather befriended them. Well, after the First Legion War they had entered into an agreement with the NCR Army Air Corps to share the base – which they had tried to renegotiate in their favour some twelve years later, back in 2297, well before he was born. Their shenanigans had pissed off the AAC, so their special arrangement had been nullified and they’d had been dealt with as the NCR did with any other tribe – shuttled off to a reservation, over north-west of New Vegas near the mutant reservation at Jacobstown.

They should count themselves lucky they weren’t sent over to New Nevada with the Khans and Jackals and Vipers, Boone mused. But anyway, he was anxious to see action along with the 100,000 other soldiers in and around New Vegas – not to mention the 50,000 at the Dam (it had been renamed Kimball Dam some years ago, but nobody bothered using that name save in official memos and documents) and an additional 100,000 at Fort Cassandra Moore, on the same mountain where Caesar had placed his encampment as he looked to conquer the Mojave. The Enclave had bombed it some years later, and collapsed a corner of the pinnacle, but the NCR outpost destroyed in that attack had been replaced by an invincible fortress.

He had been to the Dam once, on liberty, and looked north to see the NCR’s greatest achievement. Two and a half square miles of military base and airfield, raised up three-seven-hundred feet above the desert on sheer walls of black basalt. From twelve artillery batteries, to a laser defence system capable of defending against everything from artillery shells to nuclear missiles, to virtually limitless supplies stored underground for decades, it could hold out against an Enclave siege for five years according to the latest estimates.

But it would likely never see action. Once Robertson took O’Hare, the Enclave’s subjects would rebel – at the same time the forces in the Vegas region, to be followed soon after by all the troops assembled along the Kimball Line, would be able to travel by air to the Midwest to reinforce him.
 
I know it isn't entirely the NCR's fault that they are deluded about the state of the current Enclave, but I can't help but feel contempt for them nonetheless. They may have been lied to, but they are still at fault for not looking deeper. It is their own paranoia and self-righteousness that let the lies be effective.

It's a mix of:

1. Genuine bad experiences with Richardson's Enclave, backed by knowledge that at the least he was building a biochemical arsenal and using human test subjects for it. Then 50 years later they blow up large regions of the Mojave.

2. The spies they send to E-USA have all confirmed the narrative the NCR already believes in from 1.

3. A psychological need to justify the NCR government's post-Navarro actions, which go well in excess of what has happened to former soldiers of genocidal regimes IRL (and certainly didn't extend to exiles and defectors as occurred with Dr. Henry).

4. A sense of thwarted national destiny - the NCR was supposed to be the new America, and the feelings engendered by the difficulties of eastward expansion from California are blamed to an extent on E-USA, which is a continuation of the pre-War government. This has actually led to a cultural denigration of pre-War America, etc. as you see in the text. Before E-USA's existence was known, the NCR actually had a slightly positive opinion on the pre-War era.

5. E-USA pacification actions in newly re-integrated regions can really be brutal. And most who find it bad enough to flee would be those who find them most objectionable, which reinforces the narrative the NCR already believes in.

6. A cultural expectation, built up by decades of wars with groups such as the Khans and Caesar's Legion, that any military opposition to the NCR must be pure evil.
 
The major issue the NCR should be having is that in conquered territory they will have two choices.

Either they go ahead and just try to integrate the new territory, extending rights of NCR citizens to the former Enclave citizens, which would include a lot of the former soldiers, state government employees and others.

Or they go ahead and do their planned elimination, which due to how the EUSA is structured with integration means they will have to liquidate a lot of people, making controlling the territory a loss after they loot it to the foundations.

Many in the NCR government would look towards the second option unless they get more then enough information to override their own personal biases.
 
Many in the NCR government would look towards the second option unless they get more then enough information to override their own personal biases.

I think even after they get over said personal biases, they’d choose to liquidate and destroy it, because it’d be harder to integrate them and no one wants that headache

Robertson accepted that the whole “Grey VS Black” sort of Morality doesn’t apply to the current conflict but they have to keep the fight on anyway and a soft hand will have to deal with much resistance still

A hard hand just makes it so that they eliminate said resistance and can move on.....yes I’m thinking they’ll end up doing some massacres on the populace and mass looting to keep them from having the power to threaten the NCR militarily speaking
 

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