Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]

ForeverShogo

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Well, in the original Fallout games you can find desktop computers that would be right at home in the 90s. They even had a knockoff of Microsoft and Windows. (Macrosoft and Wyndoze.)

Microchips are a thing. Transistors are also a thing. Fallout 4 and 76 make reference to transistor radios, and there's a terminal entry by Cabot some have taken to mean that transistors were invented just a couple of years before the nukes were launched.

In 2015 someone who worked on the early Fallout games talked about how their society focused on robotics and atomics while neglecting miniaturization. Not to say miniaturization never happened, just that it wasn't considered a priority in tech development.

An example he gave was that some of the cameras you can buy for like 15 dollars in a Best Buy actually could exist in Pre-War America, but actually doing such a thing would be considered so exotic and extravagant that it would cost you something like 15 million dollars.

Essentially, miniaturization is treated as one of those crazy and unnecessary things that only disgustingly rich people would actually splurge on. The equivalent of doing something like capping all your teeth with diamonds or eating a cake that uses gold leafing as frosting or something.

This same dev said one of the things that bugs him the most is when people act like technology stopped advancing in the 50s. Technology still developed, and the crazy super science is proof of just how advanced Fallout America was. The technology just looks different because their priorities when developing it were different.
 

SuperHeavy

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Well, in the original Fallout games you can find desktop computers that would be right at home in the 90s. They even had a knockoff of Microsoft and Windows. (Macrosoft and Wyndoze.)
Was that the original two games, because I definitely don't remember any of that in Fallout 3 or New Vegas. Though if they had knockoff windows then no computer seemed to use given that you always use command line interfaces.
Microchips are a thing. Transistors are also a thing.
Transistors at best have been hazy with everything from pip-boys to plasma rifles using vacuum tubes. As for microchips they might have been in things like the cutting edge implants you can get in Big M.T but definitely not in anything like common use. It's not like they don't have circuitry technology, but it doesn't match what we have today by an means.
Technology still developed, and the crazy super science is proof of just how advanced Fallout America was. The technology just looks different because their priorities when developing it were different.
This I can agree with, technology was in many ways much more advanced than we have now. Their batteries alone make what we have look like garbage.
 

ForeverShogo

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Yeah. The personal computers using the Macrosoft systems are from Fallout 1 and 2.

Well, the computers were in 1 and 2. Macrosoft was only mentioned in 2. Four of their products were mentioned. Macrosoft Spreadsheet, Fenestra 98, Winblows 57, and Wyndoze 99.

The computers on the Enclave Oil Rig used Fenestra.

Winblows was used by a special computer found at Golden Globes, a New Reno porn studio. Beyond the OS, all we know about it is that it used something called a QEWB Drive. Which is apparently a 300 GB high density memory cube .

Wyndoze is found on an old, busted up computer that you can find. It apparently has Fallout on it and the Chosen One gets 100 experience points for playing it.

And a brothel owner complains that Macrosoft Spreadsheet is such a pain in the ass to use that she spends more time updating the spreadsheets than she does doing actual work.
 

SuperHeavy

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Interesting, never played much of the original two if I am being honest. Funny how the canon mutates over the years.
 

lloyd007

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Well, in the original Fallout games you can find desktop computers that would be right at home in the 90s. They even had a knockoff of Microsoft and Windows. (Macrosoft and Wyndoze.)

Microchips are a thing. Transistors are also a thing. Fallout 4 and 76 make reference to transistor radios, and there's a terminal entry by Cabot some have taken to mean that transistors were invented just a couple of years before the nukes were launched.

In 2015 someone who worked on the early Fallout games talked about how their society focused on robotics and atomics while neglecting miniaturization. Not to say miniaturization never happened, just that it wasn't considered a priority in tech development.

An example he gave was that some of the cameras you can buy for like 15 dollars in a Best Buy actually could exist in Pre-War America, but actually doing such a thing would be considered so exotic and extravagant that it would cost you something like 15 million dollars.

Essentially, miniaturization is treated as one of those crazy and unnecessary things that only disgustingly rich people would actually splurge on. The equivalent of doing something like capping all your teeth with diamonds or eating a cake that uses gold leafing as frosting or something.

This same dev said one of the things that bugs him the most is when people act like technology stopped advancing in the 50s. Technology still developed, and the crazy super science is proof of just how advanced Fallout America was. The technology just looks different because their priorities when developing it were different.
Ehhh. I'd still argue there is something seriously different about how FO'verse physics work in how 'brain in jar' / 'neural interface' computing solutions along with hyper advanced vacuum tubes were definitely invented earlier and easier to work with than semiconductors when in the real world microcircuit transistors of some type would be a matter of course since a transistor is just a switch flipping on or off.

Miniaturization, efficiency and technological advancement definitely happened, but it happened in technological areas that a effing hard to impossible to deal with such as in safe consumer radioactive products that can be dealt with by RadX / RadAway... while at the same time 2077 semiconductor technology was barely out of the 1980's.
 

CarlManvers2019

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@Navarro
Say, is Socialism or Communism on the rise anywhere in the NCR or E-USA?

I know they’re still sort of got an anti-communist sentiment in the latter, even long after the Great War, but I’d think there would be guys who got their hands on Marx or some college professor’s stuff on it
 

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@Navarro
Say, is Socialism or Communism on the rise anywhere in the NCR or E-USA?

I know they’re still sort of got an anti-communist sentiment in the latter, even long after the Great War, but I’d think there would be guys who got their hands on Marx or some college professor’s stuff on it
Considering that the USA had basically de-facto turned into a dictatorship/oligarchy before the Great War, I don't think they would allow the publication of the Communist Manifesto anywhere in the USA. The only place any physical copies would have existed in the USA would be is in official government facilities, probably on the East Coast at the very least due to close proximity to Washington D.C., and I doubt the E-USA government is gonna start printing any copies out en masse anytime soon.

There might be a few NCR people that have them if they managed to get them from either South America or, more likely, the PRC remnant power, but even then I doubt they are going to spread those out to the public.

Also maybe the Canada region, but considering the only post-war power that was there was a military dictatorship with a slave-based industry that was also the descendants of the US occupation force and the Canadian collaborator government, I doubt they took time to preserve any of Marx or other socialist/communist leaning books, probably even destroyed them when they got the chance so the slaves wouldn't get any ideas.
 
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CarlManvers2019

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If I were the E-USA, I would probably do aside from censorship, whatever they possibly did to Hollywood and Academia

Given how both are RED, gotta replace em or make it more popular to be anti-communist than anything else

Also, @Navarro
Just how “helpful” or entrepreneurial has the private sector of the Enclave been? I mean you’d be less likely to resent the rich if they on their own accord invest in homeless shelters, educating the poor, operating on people etc
 

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George knew what the incident had been – it’d been all over the papers the week before Independence Day. The rebels had reportedly captured a freedom fighter and – after torturing him for information – crucified him to a barn door with bayonets. Then they’d jeered at him for hours while he slowly died and left his body as a warning. Like many stories coming out of Texas, it was unverifiable, but certainly lurid enough to draw the attention of the press – and the DPI, which definitely had its own reasons for promoting such stories.
You know looking back at this, I can't help but wonder if it is a untrue story that caught fire, or in fact some Caesar's Legion-cultural descendents from Arizona that just happened to be recruited into the NCR army. Not like the NCR probably wiped out every Legion member to a man, probably a lot of survivors lost the will to fight after some time and settled down and left some impact on the culture in Arizona.

Edit: Or you know, possibly a true story but some NCR soldiers completely unrelated to Caesar's Legion in any way, just committed some war-crimes, as what sometimes happens due to the large amount of individuals in the army and whatever decisions those individuals make while in the army desipte no official authorization to do so, especially when there isn't any true universal laws of war agreed upon and groups with enough influence and time to try and monitor these things.
 
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CarlManvers2019

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You know looking back at this, I can't help but wonder if it is a untrue story that caught fire, or in fact some Caesar's Legion-cultural descendents from Arizona that just happened to be recruited into the NCR army. Not like the NCR probably wiped out every Legion member to a man, probably a lot of survivors lost the will to fight after some time and settled down and left some impact on the culture in Arizona.

Edit: Or you know, possibly a true story but some NCR soldiers completely unrelated to Caesar's Legion in any way, just committed some war-crimes, as what sometimes happens due to the large amount of individuals in the army and whatever decisions those individuals make while in the army desipte no official authorization to do so, especially when there isn't any true universal laws of war agreed upon and groups with enough influence and time to try and monitor these things.

Didn’t Caesar’s Legion purposely send large numbers of children into battle knowing that NCR soldiers would hesitate or be traumatised?

I think those former Caesar’s Legion types may have guys who realise much later how much full of shit they were and realise or remember that Caesar was just a man instead of some demigod

Hell, might even get shocked about his actual origins if the Mormons ever explained who he once was
 

AspblastUSA

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I mean you're not wrong, but what does that have to do with the idea that descendants of legion cultured tribes, whether they still revere Caesar or not, may view crucifixion as a more acceptable punishment than your average wastelander and as such be more likely to use it on captives?
 

CarlManvers2019

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I mean you're not wrong, but what does that have to do with the idea that descendants of legion cultured tribes, whether they still revere Caesar or not, may view crucifixion as a more acceptable punishment than your average wastelander and as such be more likely to use it on captives?

Oh, I thought you were talking about secret Caesar’s Legion soldiers living in the NCR in secret

Also, somehow when you said crucifixion, I was thinking that they’d somehow like the Enclave

Say, who’s idea was it to do the public hangings if even wastelanders from DC find it appalling?
 

Navarro

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Remnants of Caesar's Legion, hmmm ... the actual military forces of the Legion were pushed out of the cities and into the central mountains of Arizona by the NCR military - that was the "second Legion War" Irving made his career reporting on. Those areas are not really controlled by the NCR.

Legion subjects however largely stayed in place, and they would have absorbed the Legion's brutality - especially in a harsh border region.

As for the actual incident you brought up - it's based on a WW1 atrocity tale. Did it happen as recorded in-story? Did something similar happen? Was it a rumour that started among Texan militia/resistance groups? Was it made up from whole cloth by the DPI? I don't even know.

BTW, Ch. 11 going on steadily.
 

ForeverShogo

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Ah, Navarro explained it already. But for a little more detail . . .

It's based on a piece of propaganda that's probably false because no one has ever been able to prove it actually happened. The story goes that German soldiers used bayonets to crucify a Canadian soldier. Usually to a barn door. Sometimes to a tree.

Bald-faced lies about German atrocities were pretty common during WW1, and it's one of the reasons people dismissed the earliest rumors about the Holocaust. They just thought it was more ridiculous propaganda right up until death camps started getting liberated.
 

Lee5566

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Navarro, quick question, have you heard of Oxhorn. He is this youtuber who has done extensive lore videos on all of the Fallout Series. What would you think he would say about the new Enclave if your fanfic was canon.

I probably think he would say that both of them are flawed, with Enclave driven by conquest for legitimacy, lack of discernable rights and a lack of justice for its sins of genocide, but then also state that the NCR is also flawed, driven to ruthlessness towards outside states and any Enclave member and the overall corruption. However, that is my opinion.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Navarro, quick question, have you heard of Oxhorn. He is this youtuber who has done extensive lore videos on all of the Fallout Series. What would you think he would say about the new Enclave if your fanfic was canon.

I probably think he would say that both of them are flawed, with Enclave driven by conquest for legitimacy, lack of discernable rights and a lack of justice for its sins of genocide, but then also state that the NCR is also flawed, driven to ruthlessness towards outside states and any Enclave member and the overall corruption. However, that is my opinion.

The sins of the past VS the sins of the closer present

I think by now, pretty much everybody who engaged in the Enclave's horrible past is dead and just about everybody else, even within don't know about it unless they're part of some secret agency to destroy the evidence

Most of the current Enclave aren't even descended from the people who engaged in it and they shouldn't be made to pay for it

As for the NCR, yeah they are the more flawed for the recent past and current times, if only because to begin with, they didn't have all that advanced technology and people aren't incredibly indoctrinated towards patriotism and strengthening the Enclave

The current Enclave may do shady shit, but they have the advantage of having more CARROTS than the NCR who don't have enough to offer even to their own populace given that they have to do forceful conscription to poor farmers

Sure things aren't black & white, but I'm of the belief that some factions are comparatively better than the other
 

ForeverShogo

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Can you really be said to be guilty of the sin of genocide if you were stopped before you could actually start a genocide?

I mean, sure, it was intended. But if it never happened and the ones who had the intent were all killed, how can the Enclave really carry that sin?
 

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