Cowardice and contempt for oaths and responsibilities are the core values of the Uvalde Police Dept., nothing more can really be said.
Exclusive: Watch Uvalde school shooting video obtained by Statesman showing police response
The delayed law enforcement response to the Uvalde school shooting at Robb Elementary plays out in the video as 77 minutes tick by.www.statesman.com
United States Texas shooting: Fifteen killed in attack on US Elementary School
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PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
With cops like this, who needs criminals.
It was his wife, sending him a message as she was dying. And according to other reporting, he absolutely tried to help her, only to be stopped by other officers for some reason.
It's nearly certain that the the local PD handled this entire affair very badly, but this guy doesn't appear to be one of them. I strongly advise you guys to stick with posting verified, official information from the actual investigations, rather than random bits of information that look bad but lack context.
Sobek
Disgusting Scalie
He had a duty to try. He didn't, and all his "colleges" were more worried about holding him back then helping.
This entire thing was a downright kafkaesque example of "just following orders / gotta stick to the procedure" to the point of denying reality itself to focus on "the rules".
This entire thing was a downright kafkaesque example of "just following orders / gotta stick to the procedure" to the point of denying reality itself to focus on "the rules".
That camera angle is likely him responding to his wife's call.
And he did try, which is when his 'colleagues' held him back.
This is the one cop in that hallway who did tried to do the right thing.
You. Don't. Know. That.
Right now, all we have are a scant number of details devoid of context, numerous vaguely sourced claims that have been frequently been debunked or contested by equally dubious counter claims, and a pile of speculation and uninformed conjecture. The state government of Texas is working on a report based on all of the information, that should go into great detail about everything that happened, who screwed up, etc (Joe Moody, the guy who provided the info in that tweet, is one of the people working with the state government on that report).
You are using bad data to jump to conclusions that you can't back up. Don't do that. Wait for the report, and then you can at least make informed arguments. You really have no grounds to do otherwise, it's not as though a bunch of us randos here on this little forum are going to have the slightest impact on anything in reality. All you will do by pushing this narrative that you, once again, cannot actually substantiate, is hurting your own image here.
Sergeant Foley
Well-known member
Not looking good for the Uvalde Police DepartmentExclusive: Watch Uvalde school shooting video obtained by Statesman showing police response
The delayed law enforcement response to the Uvalde school shooting at Robb Elementary plays out in the video as 77 minutes tick by.www.statesman.com
posh-goofiness
Well-known member
"We have investigated ourselves and determined we did nothing wrong." -- The Government, probably
It's non-critical complacent garbage like this that is responsible for the abysmal state we're in vis a vis government accountability.
bintananth
behind a desk
When something goes wrong that you're a part of the first question you should ask yourself is "Where did I fuck this up?" so that the same mistake doesn't happen again.
Compressing the entire process down to just "the government" investigating "the government" is simple minded and foolish.
Your reason for distrusting the state investigation is.....what exactly? They have no reason to cover up police incompetence on the part of the local department, if anything they have a bias toward finding it, as the funding, training standards, police policies, etc are often set by the state. And so the state government has ample reason to say "nope, we gave them all the resources and training they needed to stop this, it's not our fault that they screwed up and didn't follow the procedures we gave them".
posh-goofiness
Well-known member
Are you joking? I can't tell. The reason I distrust the state investigation is because it's a government body investigating itself rather than an independent 3rd party investigating. Furthermore, the conduct of all the major players have been, to say the least, quite suspicious and I have no reason to extend the government the benefit of the doubt. As I have said in other threads I do not assume incompetence from anyone in power- not anymore. It is always malice.
Holy shit... my dude read what you wrote.
is literally
What the hell do you think is going to come from an investigation where the conclusion is "oh, the state isn't at fault, look at the locality"? I'll take out my magic crystal ball... oh. Right.
"oh, the locality isn't at fault look at [insert expendable peon 999999]". Christ.
What independent 3rd party would actually be qualified?
Also, it is not a government body investigating itself. It's a government body investigating another, subordinate government body.
Yes, the Republican government of Texas orchestrated a school shooting right as we head into midterms, giving the democrats more leverage to use against them in order to.....do what, exactly?
This is the problem with your Reverse Hanlon's Razor logic, it doesn't actually work unless you can explain why malice is the more likely answer.
Ok, so who do you think is actually at fault? Because even based on partial information, the overwhelming conclusion of even this thread is that the problem was the local police, not the state government, with particularly focus on exactly who in the local department was giving orders contrary to the expected, proper response.
The state inquiry concluding that some number of officials in the local PD bearing primary responsibilities with the individual officers being less at fault for following bad orders compared to the higher ups giving them sounds.....exactly like what you would expect based on similar incidents.
What exactly is your alternative theory, pray tell?
@Battlegrinder there is proof that the officer checking his phone is the officer you said he was.
posh-goofiness
Well-known member
There's a lot of watchdog groups, nonprofits, and auditing companies. Pick one. Hell, pick multiple. I'm not sure why you'd object to this.
Who knows? Petty power trip? Competing interests? Malicious compliance? Stir up anti-immigrant sentiment? I don't know. Neither do you. Neither does the peanut gallery. But you know what's definitely not going answer "why"? An internal investigation rather than an external, independent one.
As for your shot about the "Republican government". It's not homogeneous. All the way down the line are people and groups on both sides of the aisle backstabbing, competing, and stepping over the bodies to get their agendas.
No clue. I don't think we'll ever get the truth, not in the current political climate and with the competing interests fighting for dominance. I think we'll get a better and more accurate picture with an independent 3rd party investigation, though.
If I was going to talk out of my ass, though, I'd assume this is part of a long term plan to increase domestic strife by creating racially charged, highly divisive mass casualty events to further destabilize our government. All the CYOA maneuvers, question avoidance, oddly coincidental actions, inflammatory info leaks, just coincidentally play into it that goal. But you know, that's just a guess.
Right, so we've reached Alex Jones Crisis Actor False Flag levels of insane speculation. Good luck convincing people of that.
posh-goofiness
Well-known member
Would you care to engage with the parts that aren't labeled "talking out of my ass" after the section where I say neither I nor you nor anyone else know what happened either? Because I'm actually finding it bizarre that you have a problem with my position where I'd like an independent 3rd party investigation.
Oh! But we can't know anything ever at all to make a conclusion and we just have to trust the internal investigation to be objective and not a CYA whitewash!... despite all the basic fact patterns... and video... and testimony... and all the other information we now have. No, that's just going into 'Alex Jones' land...
No, because your "well, at a wild guess it might be [thing that there is absolutely no possibility whatsoever that it could be]" thing is so insane it shows that doing so is a waste of time.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
I remember you saying that the idea that the 2020 election was fraudulent was also insane, and I don't think you ever retracted that opinion; in spite of the massive amounts of evidence there is proving that it was. I'm just saying; your opinion on what is and what is not possible lacks credibility.