United States Texas shooting: Fifteen killed in attack on US Elementary School

LordsFire said:
That most of them should be fired for dereliction of duty, I think is fair.

The person who ordered them not to go in, him I would say needs to be brought up on charges, even if it's just 'criminal negligence.' Even in today's legal framework, actively preventing others from trying to save the children means that they can't just claim they aren't legally required to act. They did act, and actively prevented others from helping.
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"Just following orders" didn't work for Henry Wirz in 1865. It also didn't work for the Nazi and Imperial Japanese officers executed after WWII. It shouldn't work J. Random American Cop today.

Qualified Immunity needs to either completely go or be much better defined.

Telling a panhandler that he's a little too close to an ATM when he's not is an honest mistake that Qualified Immunity should cover. A lot of the stuff Qualified Immunity gets used for is not an honest mistake.
 
Lord Sovereign said:
That's the problem.

Given how they were standing around like lemmings, kicking their feet, it's as if they got no orders at all. I think command froze up under pressure and left these chaps in limbo.
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Most people will be deer-in-headlights "I don't know what to do" when faced with an extremely high-stress emergency for the first time.

This does not excuse the fuck-ups in any way. It just makes them worse because we know that'll happen.

"Hindsight is 20/20 and I wear glasses." - Kouta Morimura
 
These were just school cops, just Paul Blart with guns...🙄... useless. My husband used to shake his head when cops would list a school/university as previous experience when applying at his old department. He didn't think to highly of them.
 
Wilykit said:
These were just school cops, just Paul Blart with guns...🙄... useless. My husband used to shake his head when cops would list a school/university as previous experience when applying at his old department. He didn't think to highly of them.
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Your husband is a smart man.

The campus cops where I went weren't really able to or allowed to do much more than have your car towed. They weren't even allowed to issue parking tickets.

EDIT: Most of the ones I talked to knew they were a joke collecting a paycheque. The most exciting part of one of their shifts might start with a student asking them if they have jumper cables.
 
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Wilykit said:
These were just school cops, just Paul Blart with guns...🙄... useless. My husband used to shake his head when cops would list a school/university as previous experience when applying at his old department. He didn't think to highly of them.
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All the ones in my home county were part of the sheriff's office.
It was the Sheriff's office responsibility to maintain and train them.
And they did a good job.
Our school resource officers didn't play around
 
Zachowon said:
All the ones in my home county were part of the sheriff's office.
It was the Sheriff's office responsibility to maintain and train them.
And they did a good job.
Our school resource officers didn't play around
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The HS I went to didn't have "school resource officers". We had Lt. Col. Patton and he did not fuck around at all. He retired before I graduated ... which was long before you were born.
 
Wilykit said:
These were just school cops, just Paul Blart with guns...🙄... useless. My husband used to shake his head when cops would list a school/university as previous experience when applying at his old department. He didn't think to highly of them.
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No, they weren't just the school cops who fucked up here. The police department also arrived and dicked about doing nothing.
 
Hell, when my school had threat of a shooting, well of violence my sheriff showed up himself and told anyone who wanted to to go ahead and try it.

If Uvalde had someone as ballsey as my sheriff this wouldn't have happend
 
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