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"Darth Jar Jar, confirmed!"
Jar Jar is Plagus lol. That is my theory and I won't let it die.
Typhonis
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Why not I mean you had Sidious within spitting distance of multiple Jedi and they never sensed him.
One funny and scary thought I had was...a sith lord acting like a Karen. "I demand to speak to your manager. Well I never. You do not speak to a lady like that. All of you are sup bar degenerates. Please I am not 'on the rag' I'm always like this. Get me your manager."
One funny and scary thought I had was...a sith lord acting like a Karen. "I demand to speak to your manager. Well I never. You do not speak to a lady like that. All of you are sup bar degenerates. Please I am not 'on the rag' I'm always like this. Get me your manager."
Karmic Acumen
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It was the original canon plan of Lucas, but he changed his mind after the fan backlash and hate that Jar-Jar instilled.
He should've stuck with it. Jar Jar being Plagueis would've been fucking lit, and it would've redeemed him in the eyes of the haters from tPM.
They already had that prior to TCW, though the planet wasn’t as near as cartoonishly Halloween-like. Also the Nightsisters were but one of many clans of force witches.
Jaenera Targaryen
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I see no problem with this. The sooner Disney Star Wars dies, the better.
At this point, I doubt Michael Bay could have done a worse job. Hell, at this point, I think the only person who could have done worse with Star Wars is M.N. Shyamalan.
Could have. Remember Shama Lama has made some good movies, and has hit it out of the park a few times.
Black Pill much. Look you probably was not alive in the late 70s and Early 80s but Disney was in the same position it is now. They restructured and bounced back. Multi-billion dollar companies just don't collapse no matter how much the Fandom Menace youtubers crow about it.
Did Disney utterly ruin their reputation back then? And did they intentionally piss off a large portion of their customer base? Did they kill enough golden egg-laying geese for several Christmas dinners?
Bear Ribs
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Ho boy did they ever. People wrote death threats to Disney execs over some of their terrible decisions in that era.
You probably haven't heard of most ofmovies from that era because they were mostly flops. Robin Hood and The Rescuers were their last good movies of the 70s.
As far as terrible decisions, Lucas offered them to get in on the ground floor of Star Wars before its release in 1977 for the bargain price of 10 million dollars, and Disney rejected it entirely believing the movie would be a complete flop. So yeah, their opener was to decide that Star Wars was a sure loser and go the opposite direction. Disney then learned the entirely wrong lesson and decided they didn't want to make kid's movies anymore and tried to horn in on the horror movie market and abandon their core demographic. No, I'm not kidding.
Disney went first for The Black Hole which has a bit of a cult following but was also the first Disney PG film, and in those days PG was considered a big deal and not for kids. So it flopped, earning less than The Love Bug had done in the late sixties on a tiny fraction of The Black Hole's budget. They followed this up with The Watcher In The Woods, a horror story that possibly inspired the superior Evil Dead shortly afterwards, or at least a number of shots and camera angle uses are quite similar. Then they came up with Dragonslayer featuring winning kid-friendly scenes like a woman covered in gore struggling as a dragon slowly roasts her alive. Not learning their lesson, Disney went on to make such winners as Something Wicked This Way Comes, The Devil and Max Devlin, Night Crossing, and Never Cry Wolf.
At two points in this period, Disney barely managed to avoid hostile takeovers by rival companies who were curbstomping them in the Kid-Friendly department with movies like E.T. and Annie. The problem was that nobody took Disney seriously as the major adult player Miller wanted, while the constant depression and horror fests alienated all their core audience.
As far as burning beloved franchises, at that point the Chronicles of Prydain were regarded as pretty much the equal of Tolkien but far easier to read and with fewer ten-page descriptions of a random tree. Disney muffed The Black Cauldron so badly (by deciding to fill it with horror imagery of course) the franchise that could have been LoTR's equal or even superior is barely remembered today.
Disney went through the same process they're going through right now, a faction fight ensued and Miller was ousted by Eisner and Katzenberg, who cemented their position with The Little Mermaid returning Disney to its roots in making successful kid's movies in the late 80s, then created Disney TV shows like Duck Tales and Goof Troop that let Disney's battered finances recover by opening into untapped markets.
Disney didn't own Marvel, NatGeo, ESPN, and many other's back then.
Temporary setbacks such as boycott campaigns only work as long as there is a mass public effort with lots of cross cultural presence.
That isn't the case with Disney, as much as some would think because of Disney hating nerd echochambers.
Given how a lot of nerd forums have a hostile response to anyone who praises anything Disney does almost on principle, long before it involved Star Wars, I think Disney hate is just a cultural touchstone for parts of the nerd-right, a part not present in most of the rest of the population.
You're also discounting the impact of the Modern World (yes, I hate to use that term, too): the Internet, how connected we've all become through things like soc-med, et cetera. That all changed the game, and it's going to take more than just a corporate restructuring, a good PR campaign on TV, radio, the newspapers, and a pretty facade at their amusement parks to survive this.
Jaenera Targaryen
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I specifically said Disney Star Wars, not Disney itself. Disney's core franchise is almost certainly safe, it's too much of a fixture of American media and culture to collapse. Disney Star Wars, though? Way more fragile, and quite likely to be sold off if it becomes too much of a liability.
Which is pretty goddamn ironic and sad since it was a way to proverbially print money, like Marvel was in the late 00's--mid 10's (since Endgame, the whole goddamn MCU is crumbling harder a Chinese construction project).
Jaenera Targaryen
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I know. It's even more ironic considering Disney actually does know how to make good movies (or at least it used to*). Like I said, the problem isn't as much as Disney itself, as much as Disney Star Wars. They really fucked up by putting Kathleen Kennedy in charge at Lucasfilm, considering how much she and her cronies have damaged the brand beyond repair.
*The live-action adaptations of Beauty and the Beast as well as Aladdin prove that much, but past a certain point, they've also started to slip. Whether it's clumsily kowtowing to Communist China in Mulan, the skubtastic Pinocchio, and the somehow even more skubtastic Snow White, well, we'll see.
StormEagle
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Marvel is outright dying. Its comic division has been a fucking joke and pretty much operating at a loss for the last decade, and basically no one except the hard core Marvel Soycuck buys them anymore.
Their live-action shit has been cratering since Endgame. The age of the cinema superhero, with a few notable exceptions, is coming to an end.
A lot of this can be put down to marvels seeming obsession with getting rid of the core characters that built the MCU.
Thor has been replaced by Natalie Portman for gods sake, they humiliated the Hulk in She-Hulk, Captain America got retired, Black Widow’s movie was a fucking sad joke, and they are going to replace Tony Stark with Ironheart the Magical African Teenager.
The only recent MCU movie to make decent return at the box office was Guardians 3. Everything else since Endgame has either been mediocre returns or an actual bomb.
NatGeo is bleeding out. They’ve fired all their staff writers and the online publications of their magazines will be written by freelancers if not just kicking it over to AI. The print magazine is getting outright canned in 2024, and their viewership on Disney+ ain’t exactly great either.
ESPN profits are down, largely due to people cutting their cable packages. Disney might be looking to sale a stake in it to another corpo so they aren’t carrying all the risks of managing the company. You don’t do that if you think it has a healthy future.
Theme park attendance is down, their cruises ain’t doing so hot, and their stock price is starting to crater hard.
Before a lot of this really started sinking, they decided to pick a fight with the majority republican government of Florida and alienate themselves to a good portion of the American electorate by inserting themselves into the nationwide fight over parental rights in schools.
Everything Modern Disney touches turns to absolute shit.
They may yet survive. They’re an absolutely massive brand with plenty of IP that can potentially turn a profit, and the strikes right now actually work somewhat to their advantage, but I doubt Iger’s ability to right the ship considering he’s responsible for a lot of the bad decisions.
If I knew how to do it, I’d be shorting their stock hard right now.
Bassoe
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Jaenera Targaryen
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Noir Star Wars? Oh, I think he'd do just fine.