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[Blasterbot]

I'm probably a weirdo in that I like form 1. I like the simplicity of it. Here is how you swing the saber without killing or maiming yourself and how to do it to the people you want to instead. Now drill till it is second nature and let the force guide you on how best to murder-blender your enemies.

Form 2 is fencing with lightsabers. cool but not for me. Apparently some dudes with lightsabers realized they may need to fight other guys with lightsabers and came up with this. arguably one of the best styles for dueling though.

Form 3 is ultra defense. I like it but there needs to be more than that. I like playing tank though so if I picked up a secondary it would be this one.

Form 4 is crazy acrobatic xianxia wire flying shit. miss for me. is good at offense though and even remembers that dodging is a thing. burns through stamina quickly though. go figure jumping like a maniac does that.

Form 5 is when they remembered that you needed offense and defense at the same time, they then decided to split it into 2 halves 1 for lightsaber combat and 1 for blasters. because everything has a pokemon weakness.

form 6 is really just MMA with the previous forms. but most the Jedi who did it half assed it so they sucked. but a master at it would genuinely be scary.

Form 7 is another 2 parter. 1 requires shooting up with dark side energy. remember kids never ever do dark side energy. it is tough to kick that habit. The other works by reflecting someone else dark side energy back at them. so it really only works against fallen jedi and sith. admittedly that is likely to be the hardest fight you ever have as a jedi so it makes sense to plan for it. and you still got a big chance of falling even if you use the safer version.

Obviously most jedi knew more than just one form but most would focus on training one over the others. there is only so many hours in the day and especially in the republic era lightsaber fighting was kinda veiwed as less important.

or I could be completely off base with these thoughts.

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

form 6 is really just MMA with the previous forms. but most the Jedi who did it half assed it so they sucked. but a master at it would genuinely be scary.

This is true. The greatest master of Form VI, ironically enough was Exar Kun, considering Form VI emphasized moderation and balance the most out of all forms. The guy was simply unbeatable with lightsabers, even his Cathar nemesis had to resort with good old-fashioned claws to take him down in a spar.

That said, Form VI is the weakest of all forms in open battle. All those Jedi that got killed at Geonosis? Take a wild guess as to what form they specialized in.

 

[Jormungandr]

That's a very fair point. Companies like Disney have a lot of inertia and "staying power" for lack of a better term. Obviously they are a known brand with a lot of recognition.
And I'm too young to remember Disney's dark age of the 70's and 80's but as just someone looking back at that period from the outside in, the current era seems worse.

Disney was willing to try new things even if they ultimately didn't pan out whether it was "The Black Hole", "Black Cauldron" or "Dragonslayer". But now it just seems like Disney had no ideas other than buying IP's and coasting on them until they exhaust/burn out the fanbase. I just don't know if they can bounce back from that.

This "Dark Age" is different because it's caused by ideological rot which, just two decades ago, would've had "creatives", executives, and a whole load of others investigated by the police than celebrated at worse, their arses fired at best.

 

[Typhonis]

George Lucas explains how Midi-chlorians work.

"Midi-chlorians work like both mitochondria and photosynenic cells in plants. They absorb Cosmic Force energy and use it to
work."

"If we have enough midi-chlorians in our body we can exert a certain amount of control over our personal Force and learn how to use it."

 

[Jormungandr]

That was one of the most dumbest pieces of shit introduced in the Prequels.

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

That was one of the most dumbest pieces of shit introduced in the Prequels.

I personally prefer to just ignore it, in all honesty.

 

[Bigking321]

He should have left it alone... let the fanon explanation stay.

That midis are everywhere but are specifically attracted to people with high force sensitivity. So the greater your potential with the force, the more midis in your blood. And normies had very few.

Easy and simple. Instead of claiming the midis themselves are responsible for people having force potential. That's... so dumb.

 

[Karmic Acumen]

You think that's bad, his sequel films were going to be based around the 'Whills', which is the collective consciousness of the midichlorians in the universe. They apparently assigned all the destinies.

Yeah.

 

[Bigking321]

Yeah...

He's... not that great of a writer honestly.

We got lucky to get the original trilogy.

 

[Jormungandr]

You think that's bad, his sequel films were going to be based around the 'Whills', which is the collective consciousness of the midichlorians in the universe. They apparently assigned all the destinies.

Yeah.

Yeah, this is about as bad as what Ridley Scott is trying to say about Alien now, despite everything about the franchise that has become canon being built by different people (e.g. Cameron with the insectoid-hive thing, the Queen, et cetera) pissing over everything he says.

Anyway, he basically became long irrelevant to Star Wars' creative direction (e.g. the EU) long before Disney gave him the boot with the sale.

 

[Blasterbot]

You think that's bad, his sequel films were going to be based around the 'Whills', which is the collective consciousness of the midichlorians in the universe. They apparently assigned all the destinies.

Yeah.

Still better than the sequels. not good by any means but still better.

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

This "Dark Age" is different because it's caused by ideological rot which, just two decades ago, would've had "creatives", executives, and a whole load of others investigated by the police than celebrated at worse, their arses fired at best.

Oh that's definitely part of the issue and part of the reason why course correction has been so difficult if not impossible. Since they are first and foremost about advancing an Ideology, about "taking back" these intellectual spaces from all the bad wrong-think people, profits are a secondary and, at least to a degree, fully expandable concern if it advanced the greater goal.

People wonder how Kathleen Kennedy still has a job when she turned a cash cow to ash and I'd argue it's because, from Disney/ Bob Iger's point of view, she didn't do anything wrong or "fail" in her actual goal. Any loss of profits can be excused by them either as the fault of racist/sexist/bigot fans who shouldn't be courted anyway or a short-term investment to divest yourself of same said fans and attract the mythical wider audience of SJW.

And even if she is at some point thrown under the bus and fired it wouldn't amount to anything. The next person would almost certainly be of the same culture and mindset other than perhaps focused on a different race or sexual orientation than Kennedy's "The Force is Female".

So until the money spigot well and truly stops running and a serious house cleaning is conducted I don't think Disney or similar minded corporations can bounce back.

George Lucas explains how Midi-chlorians work.

"Midi-chlorians work like both mitochondria and photosynenic cells in plants. They absorb Cosmic Force energy and use it to
work."

"If we have enough midi-chlorians in our body we can exert a certain amount of control over our personal Force and learn how to use it."

Interesting. Kind of fits with the mitochondria being the powerhouse of the cell, which he seemed to have taken for inspiration for the name Midi-chlorians, just amped up with comic book biology and science. And reasonably consistent with what we saw in TPM at least compared to how much other bits of lore/backstory like the Clone Wars were changed/altered as time went on.

 

[Bacle]

Lando is going to be a movie instead of series now.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Lando is going to be a movie instead of series now.

Sounds like an unfortunate move for Disney. Movies tend to be far more expensive and open to failure. Let's hope it's true.

 

[Bacle]

Sounds like an unfortunate move for Disney. Movies tend to be far more expensive and open to failure. Let's hope it's true.

It also limits how much can be shown, and the Lando books were some pretty cool and fun adventures that would look great as a series, more than as a movie.

You cannot fit the Mindharp of Sharu, the Thonbonka, the two extra-galactic droids which were survivors of the two droid species that devastated the Vong home galaxy, and the weird droid army stuff into one movie.

 

[Skallagrim]

Six months from now:

"#Lando starring Donald Glover is being changed from a movie to a cancellation"

It also limits how much can be shown, and the Lando books were some pretty cool and fun adventures that would look great as a series, more than as a movie.

You cannot fit the Mindharp of Sharu, the Thonbonka, the two extra-galactic droids which were survivors of the two droid species that devastated the Vong home galaxy, and the weird droid army stuff into one movie.

They weren't going to do that anyway, because they're idiots. If they were going to actually make cool/fun stuff, they'd have used the Crispin and Daley books as the source material to make an awesome, multi-season "young Han Solo" series.

Which could then have had some cross-overs with the awesome and balls-to-the-wall crazy "Adventures of Lando Calrissian" series, based on the books you mentioned.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Six months from now:

"#Lando starring Donald Glover is being changed from a movie to a cancellation"

I think my Obi Wan series thread had the same saga unfold. Changed the title of the thread like three times.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Sounds like an unfortunate move for Disney. Movies tend to be far more expensive and open to failure. Let's hope it's true.

Just another movie that geta canceled in development.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

He should have left it alone... let the fanon explanation stay.

That midis are everywhere but are specifically attracted to people with high force sensitivity. So the greater your potential with the force, the more midis in your blood. And normies had very few.

Easy and simple. Instead of claiming the midis themselves are responsible for people having force potential. That's... so dumb.

I prefer them being a component of Force Sensitivity, and being understood as a measure of force sensitivity because of that. But it would be only weakly causative and more correlative and that the Jedi were missing a forest for a particularly neat tree. It could be a sign of the fall of the order for them to hyperfocus on this one facet and to take an easy route for understanding force sensitivity- when there are many many more. I'd have them outright miss potential recruits due to this, and then even have other force sensitive groups snatch up the supposed chaff, allowing themselves to survive and perhaps even thrive.

If you make the Force something that is multifaceted by nature, you make it far more interesting and allow for more approaches to understand it. The Force is mystical, its scientific, it is mundane, it is transcendent, it is both fundamentally rational and irrational. The Force is an elephant and everyone is a blind man grasping at a different part. You can understand the Force, but not fully, and to grasp a true measure of its greatness you must see it from more than one vantage point and to understand how the seemingly disconnected surface phenomena of the Force are actually ultimately united.

Thinking of it, the whole "attracted to force sensitivity" is also a cop out. It worsens midichlorians and keeps the whole DB-esque power level nonesense. Though, maybe a proper explanation includes that too. Midichlorians have something to do with force sensitivity, and are attracted to it as well. Or, attracted to people who are significant to the force. Then it might actually allow for some mystery such as having someone replete with midichlorians- who is force sensitive as a rock. Or a poweful force sensitive missed as their blood test came up quite negative.

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

Thinking of it, the whole "attracted to force sensitivity" is also a cop out. It worsens midichlorians and keeps the whole DB-esque power level nonesense.

In truth an DB-esque power level has been baked into the cake long before the midichlorians were invented going all the way back to the OT and Luke being strong in the force not due any particular training or spiritual understanding on the nature of the Force but merely because he was born with it due to being Anakin's child. With only Luke, or potentially Leia, being capable of stopping Vader and the Emperor out of an entire galaxy beings.