I am compelled to post this. It's a video BTW.
Tragedy of the Expanded Universe : StarWarsEU (reddit.com)
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KilroywasNOTHere
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you know...for the kind of money they want people to spend and the kind of customer they want to attract, they really should have done Jabba's palace. Get a really good puppet or even an animatronic for Jabba (or heck if they are so insistent on keeping with the ST have it be his son Rotta) hire some professional belly dancers and let the cast members sit down and truly interact with the guest. Play card games, tell stories. Let people take pictures. Vegas has stuff like that and I'm pretty sure it's just as much if not a bit cheaper. I know hutt hospitality ain't exactly kosher with that family friendly image, but based on these prices they aren't interested in attracting families. if they really wanted to do the whole luxury hotel thing, they could have at least done Cloud City, at least in lore Cloud City was known for that kind of thing.
Honestly if you have Rotta taking over his dad's old palace, you have the excuse to have a Jedi experience too. you can explain it by saying Rotta and Ashoka (Whom according to the original Episode 9 script was still very much alive and active.) became close friends and feeling an amount of gratitude and loyalty to the Jedi, he allows Ashoka (and sadly Rey because ST) to build a construct a miniature Jedi temple within the palace and try to restore the jedi order.
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Typhonis
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Hell, go one further. The MC80 exists. Make the Hotel look like the inside of one of those. "Yes this ship saw combat at Endor but as per the scaling back of the military, it was converted back to a liner."
Rotta owns the ship and is the host. Since it travels you can have all sorts of 'guests' pop up.
Rotta owns the ship and is the host. Since it travels you can have all sorts of 'guests' pop up.
Even better, as many MC series cruisers started life as cruise ships.
A MC80 or Home One looking hotel would have been so much more in tune with both fans and canon.
Typhonis
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It's Disney. They have been going downhill since the family sold it.
DarthOne
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To be fair, pretty much ANYTHING would have been better then what we actually got.
My reaction to precisely that, pretty much.
Heck, let’s bring up/discuss our favorite Snoke fan theories that could have worked before Rian fucked everything up in episode 8. I’ll start!
While the video I first saw this in has sadly been taken down, (as the bookmark I had now leads to nowhere) I remember hearing a theory that Snoke was an ancient dark sider who was either imprisoned or went into a state of suspended animation in the Unknown Regions. The theory might have also suggested he might have an ability like the Force Drain Ability in Legends. Or to TLDR it, he was more or less Force-using Nosferatu.
My reaction to precisely that, pretty much.
First off, I don't mind fan videos or theories, especially since I can usually only watch ones I may or may not find interesting based on the title alone. And fan theories are a pretty big part of any proper fandom. Sure some theories are shit but... that just means it's a vehicle of discussion of the franchise which tends to be nice. Plus I mean it's all make believe in the end.
And secondly and most importantly, I wish the Snoke hologram in The Force Awakens would've turned out to be his actual size.
HAH! "Fee Fi Fo Fum..."
DarthOne
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Heh. Would have certainly been a change of pace from the typical Star Wars character, that’s for sure.
SpaceOrbis
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Having watched every movie a fair number of times I can say without hesitation that the sequel trilogy was an absolute trainwreck in just about every way possible. The old cast are either mismanaged to such a level as to make them fundamentally a completely new character or tossed aside for the newer cast that aren't worth watching because fuck all ever happens with them.
Ray is a capable fighter living on a desert planet who becomes...wait for it... a capable fighter living on another desert planet but with a lightsaber made by bits of her staff weapon. Did we really need three movies to get this?
No. Should the people who made it have at least some idea on what it was that they wanted to do?
Yes and the fact that it seemed to flip-flop with each movie is precisely why I would never willingly or knowingly rewatch the sequel trilogy unless I was answering a particular question and I needed to remember a particular segment of a particular movie in the sequel trilogy.
Then you have the token black guy. Our boy, Finn. The concept of having a Stormtrooper who is humanized was a fantastic idea yet almost as soon as the concept was introduced to us in episode 7 the concept was dropped like a stone in water. Great job. You had a great idea and then just tossed it aside for shooty shooty bang bang. What a joke.
Then you have the new ace pilot Poe Dameron. This poor sod was used to try to give us viewers some jokes but the jokes he is trying to do are so bad it's sad. He does the Star Wars equivalent of a prank phone call. Just...why? Why are you trying to have jokes in your epic space fantasy saga? Just tell a good story and allow the story to happen organically.
A great one to use as an example would be the three Spider-Man in the new Spider-Man movie. When the three are talking about their powers and who they battled it feels organic. It looks and feels like how three guys would talk if they had webs shooting out of their hands. If you try to force it you are more likely than not going to fail. Don't try to be funny. Just be funny or don't try to have it in your movies.
Did I enjoy the space battles and whatnot? Yeah, I did. They were very nice. But a few bits of goodness doesn't remove the fact that 99% of it is a right pain in the backside to get through. The First Order are a joke. There is never any true suspense or danger to any of the new cast of characters because they have plot armor and because the people that they're facing are so incompetent at being bad guys that they wouldn't be able to walk out of a three-turn maze even if you gifted them a map.
The prequel trilogy has its flaws I will give that to you. The dialogue is clunky at times and Anakin Skywalker in episode 2 is fucking giving Padma some creepy vibes when he was eyeing her like a mouse to a cat. But there was a story. At no point in any of the following episodes (2 and 3) did they ever backpedal from something previous. They simply moved forward and built upon what came before.
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I just realized it would also explain why his Flagship was so ridiculously big in the sequel as well.
Bear Ribs
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I have to disagree with you here, that doesn't characterize Rey at all.
She buries Luke and Leia's lightsabers at the end of Rise of Skywalker and she never bothered to make her own, so she doesn't have one at the end.
SpaceOrbis
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So what part are you disagreeing with here? The fact she is overpowered or the fact that besides her being on another world she has evolved very little?
Because she was a badass fighter at the start of episode 7 and was a badass fighter at the end of episode 9.
Bear Ribs
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It was a joke, being that she didn't even have that much development since she undoes The Last Jedi by burying the lightsabers, symbolically giving up on being a Jedi at the end.
SpaceOrbis
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Oh...ok.
But as a Star Wars fan I can't help but feel like them doing that really boxes them in. The Jedi are gone. The Sith are gone. The good guys that people would really care about are gone. You have no way to tell any stories post-episode 9 because who can you use?
Nobody. It's kind of a bummer. I'm kind of hoping we can get some movies set at the height of the Jedi. That would be cool.
It would be a fun story if a new force user stumbles over the dark side and uses that to take over the galaxy.
Val the Moofia Boss
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I don't think "the story" needs to be about the Force and the Jedi and the Sith. Lucas' 6 films did a pretty good job with that material, and then you had decades of spinoffs that subverted it and thoroughly beat it into a dead horse.
Stuff like the Mandalorian is conceptually good: explores a different facet of the setting, bounty hunting (alas the show did not continue doing that and once again devolved into retreading the same old ground with jedis and imperials).
Mandalorians are still kicking, so nothing of value was lost if no more Sith or Jedi emerge.
I guess Ahsoka and Ezra could still pop up post-Rise, though the way the Ahsoka show is being talked about the World Between Worlds could render the Sequel trilogy a complete AU (I pray this is what happens).
Er, Rey did actually build her own, she turned it on the same time she buried Luke and Leia's.