PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
What will they discuss at this meeting? How extraordinarily frustrated they are because public doesn't give a shit about the hysteria they are trying to manufacture?
Russian-Ukrainian-Polish Eternal Friendship Thread
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No, what happens if Russia decides to say fuck NATO and they know the US won't do shit.
It isn't manufactured.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
It is fully manufactured.
Not at all.
What makes it manufactured?
That Russia has been seen putting forces on the Ukrainian border?
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
The composition of Russian forces in the Southern military district fluctuates all the time, with Pentagon and State Department deciding every now and then to start screaming in media how Russia is going to invade Ukraine any minute now, despite knowing it won't happen. So yes it's manufactured.
It is Russia who is manufacturing the hysteria with its military deployments, intentionally and successfully.
Why are we hearing of it?
Because even in the not so certain scenario our politicians can deal with some pressure made with scaremongering through deceptive maneuvering, the journos and other useful idiots certainly can't.
But will they do anything? That's the question. Because otherwise it sounds "they may be even preparing to send a sternly worded letter!".NATO officials to hold 'extraordinary' meeting amid Russia's military buildup along its border with Ukraine
NATO officials to hold 'extraordinary' meeting amid Russia's military buildup along its border with Ukraine - NewsBreak
CNN’s Alex Marquardt...www.newsbreakapp.com
Probably what to do should it happen
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
Some of them, most of them are either flying too high for Stingers or are too small of heat source for Stinger to target.
Sounds like the standard experience when dating Russians in college.
Skallagrim
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The whole present situation is very easy to explain. I'll outline it in ten simple points:
1) Russia would very much like the EU and NATO to fuck right off, out of Russia's historical back-yard, thank you very much.
2) Russia can't presently make that happen by force, and has no realistic future perspectives of outright defeating the Western powers militarily.
3) Russia does have loads of gas, and Europe needs it.
4) America also exports gas to Europe, but Democrats are in power, and they are screwing their own country with their shit-for-brains energy policies.
5) Europe knows this, but is iffy about approving Nord Stream 2. They know damn well it'll make them dependent on Russia, unless the Americans suddely become sane about energy (i.e. they never vote for a single Democrat ever again).
6) Russia is now building up its forces along the Ukrainian border. No, this is not just "nomal exercises". That's bullshit. They're there to be the equivalent of two lurking thugs who say things like "Awfully flammable shop you have here, mister, shame if something were to happen".
7) Eventually the Russians are going to make a deal, which is: "we stop all our shit regarding Ukraine, and you approve Nord Stream 2 on our original terms".
8) Europe says yes, because Europe is weak as shit, and the USA is presently run by morons who'll appease just about anyone.
9) Russia sbsequently waits for a really cold winter to hit Europe.
10) When that cold winter comes, Russia will, without blinking, turn the gas valve closed. And to a freezing Europe, it will say: "And NOW we will re-negotiate our stance on spheres of influence in Eastern Europe....!"
Anyone with an IQ above room temperature must surely be able to see this. However, that doesn't mean that it's not exactly what's going to happen anyway. Putin is playing a fairly crappy hand, and he's playing it well. Meanwhile, the EU has never even known how to play, and Biden's hands shake too much to hold his cards up.
1) Russia would very much like the EU and NATO to fuck right off, out of Russia's historical back-yard, thank you very much.
2) Russia can't presently make that happen by force, and has no realistic future perspectives of outright defeating the Western powers militarily.
3) Russia does have loads of gas, and Europe needs it.
4) America also exports gas to Europe, but Democrats are in power, and they are screwing their own country with their shit-for-brains energy policies.
5) Europe knows this, but is iffy about approving Nord Stream 2. They know damn well it'll make them dependent on Russia, unless the Americans suddely become sane about energy (i.e. they never vote for a single Democrat ever again).
6) Russia is now building up its forces along the Ukrainian border. No, this is not just "nomal exercises". That's bullshit. They're there to be the equivalent of two lurking thugs who say things like "Awfully flammable shop you have here, mister, shame if something were to happen".
7) Eventually the Russians are going to make a deal, which is: "we stop all our shit regarding Ukraine, and you approve Nord Stream 2 on our original terms".
8) Europe says yes, because Europe is weak as shit, and the USA is presently run by morons who'll appease just about anyone.
9) Russia sbsequently waits for a really cold winter to hit Europe.
10) When that cold winter comes, Russia will, without blinking, turn the gas valve closed. And to a freezing Europe, it will say: "And NOW we will re-negotiate our stance on spheres of influence in Eastern Europe....!"
Anyone with an IQ above room temperature must surely be able to see this. However, that doesn't mean that it's not exactly what's going to happen anyway. Putin is playing a fairly crappy hand, and he's playing it well. Meanwhile, the EU has never even known how to play, and Biden's hands shake too much to hold his cards up.
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Why date Russians when American girls are good enough?
But that won't happen, especially with the EU.
If you want me to become more likely to vote GOP, then you need to convince me that the GOP isn't merely a plutocrat party.
Interesting analysis.
I doubt they will bow to Russia so easily
GOP is no more of plutocrat party than DNC is now, possibly less, considering the political opinions many current plutocrats of note hold about Trump era GOP, if those count for anything.
There is no "Europe" in this calculation. The countries you are speaking of are Germany and few of their allied countries, who due to giving their local green-left lobbies more influence than a sane person would, have put themselves in a situation where they volunteer to dramatically reduce their CO2 emissions while being ideologically anti-nuclear. Which seems an odd set of conditions that just so happens to imply only one solution - high reliance on gas energy, in amounts only Russia can supply to them even remotely conveniently.
Countries like still nuclear heavy France, or the anti-Russian eastern EU countries that were already targeted by Russian energy shenanigans many years ago and learned from it, those are in a pure "told ya" mood and don't worry particularly much because they have deliberately diversified their gas suppliers and overall energy sources for this very specific reason, enough that for them such shenanigans are more of a mean inconvenience which yet again proves that Russia can never be trusted than an economy destroying, government disbanding, citizen freezing threat it may be to the more naive countries.
Kinda why i think France is willing to fight
France is kinda ambivalent. They would much rather do business with Russia, but then again, the greens, local and German, are very clear that they want to inflict their idiotic energy policy on France too, which in turn would give them the same problem, nevermind the costs of replacing some or all of their NPPs. Meanwhile Poland&co are generally pro-nuclear, and may even be future customers for French nuclear industry. So its less that they want to, but in a proxy way they are being fought already by the other side, so why not.
Skallagrim
Well-known member
I lack such a degree of faith in the exalted luminaries leading the European Union. Too long have I seen them at work. If their goal, all along, had been to active destroy and debase the entire continent... I can scarcely imagine a thing they would have done differently!
For all intents and purposes, Germany is the EU. This is not immediately obvious, because Germany doesn't want to scare people, and France is still trying to look like Germany's equal. So both don't want it widely known. The reality is that the debt crisis has revealed France to be an economically rotten debtor nation, which will immediately collapse along with all Southern Europe if Germany ever closes its purse.
Which is why...
...the opposite of this is actually true, in a way. France would love to see Germany humbled a bit, since in that event, nuclear-powered France would come out way better in comparison. On the other hand, France doesn't want Germany brought down too far, since France is actually pretty dependent on Germany for continued economic survival.
The ideal French scenario sees Germany humbled just enough to force the situation towards an equal Franco-German partnership that subsequently bosses the whole EU around.
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What Marduk writes is the simple truth on this. Both parties, now, are plutocratic. Nor should one expect that to really change.
...We are, however, seeing the rise of populism. One of the two parties will inevitably embrace this, while the other will be representative of the establishment. This does not change that both will still be controled by elites. The key difference is that one will be the party of the existing elite, and the other will be the party of the 'new men' (or 'jumped-up parvenus', to their opponents) who wish to displace the establishment and become the new elite.
From the way things are going, it seems more probably to me that the Republican Party will become the populist one. Hilariously, I expect this will eventually entail that many of the political heirs of Bernie Sanders et cetera will end up in the Republican ranks, whereas the political heirs of, say, Mitt Romney will end up in the Democratic ranks. (Not that it's a given that the parties will still be using those names by then.)
NATO is saying they won't be able to agree with Russias demands at least according to this article.
www.newsbreakapp.com
NATO weighs Russia's security offer to end Ukraine standoff - NewsBreak
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg says Russia can have no say over who should be allowed to join the military organization
www.newsbreakapp.com
Its more complicated than that, France and Italy are still net payers in the EU.
Then there is the sad fact that if Germany chucks its purse into the mud because it just feels like doing stupid shit, the whole EU's economic setup will suffer the waves, the organization itself may not survive it.
The problem is that the more radical Germany gets about doing stupid shit, the more it will insist on dragging France (and the whole EU overall) into the same stupid shit.
Which is why they have to support forces against stupid shit at least half-heartedly, lest the whole scheme goes out of control. Its not certain that the EU can stop Germany out of all countries from doing stupid shit to itself even if it really wanted to, so no worries there.
Also the more humbled Germany gets, the less able it is to support France and the EU's setup overall, which is a major danger in such a scheme. Once too many poorer countries cannot be sufficiently bribed into compliance, the French-German setup can suddenly unravel overall, and France certainly can't do that if Germany starts skimping on it, whether it is out of political whim or necessity.