Yep, which is why NATO would then have to liberate the Baltics from the Russians, and this might involve either a NATO assault on Kaliningrad or, perhaps more likely, a NATO assault on western Belarus. I just fear that the Suwalki Gap in itself will simply be too narrow and too vulnerable to provide a corridor for NATO sending its own troops and supplies to liberate the Baltic countries in the event of an all-out NATO-Russia war.
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Yep, which is why NATO would then have to liberate the Baltics from the Russians, and this might involve either a NATO assault on Kaliningrad or, perhaps more likely, a NATO assault on western Belarus. I just fear that the Suwalki Gap in itself will simply be too narrow and too vulnerable to provide a corridor for NATO sending its own troops and supplies to liberate the Baltic countries in the event of an all-out NATO-Russia war.
Yeah, if NATO wins the war it would have to take over Kaliningrad to clear out the SAMs and other crap located there, if nothing else. And Belarus would get an ultimatum of declaring neutrality in the war or regime change after Russian forces get pushed back.
Then there is the fact that this is a swampy area full of lakes and rivers. Hard to move lots of troops and supplies through those if long range artillery from Kaliningrad keeps blowing up the road junctions and bridges. Local transport infrastructure isn't that good even in peacetime.
Ukranian law enforcement authorities have stated that Russian Security Services were behind a recent cyberattack upon over seventy Ukraine state websites with the results ranging from simple defacement to taking down websites for periods of time.
www.zdnet.com
ZDNet said:
Ukraine says more than 70 government websites were defaced, 10 were subjected to 'unauthorized interference'
Ukraine denied that any data was stolen during the attack and said there are signs that hackers associated with "Russian secret services" were behind the incident.
www.zdnet.com
The guys Russian so lay off, it's important to realize that the idea that Russia needs to be contained might not be a worldview accepted by Russians any more than any situation by a NATO country in its same circumstances.
History Learner
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Personally, I hope the Russians go for it and I’ll enjoy watching them punch the shit out of NATO at this point just to prove the point. We-the United States-have no business being in Eastern Europe, no vital strategic interests and are being utterly idiotic in terms of provoking a fellow nuclear power.
What NATO? Stop gobbling their propaganda for a moment and realize that NATO leaders already stated that there will be no NATO troops fighting there.
Its Ukrainian nationalists they will be punching the shit out of.
That's a long way to say "we don't want to be a superpower anymore".
And this is a perfect case of why people ask you and people acting like you propagandists.
If you weren't, you wouldn't just repeat the classic of "they shell villages" from Russian state media. You would also add that this is a widespread problem in the border in general, in which the question of "who started" is practically impossible to answer.
‘I hear shelling’: Fear grips Ukrainian villages near Russia
Residents are losing hope in areas near the contact line between Russia-backed separatists and Ukrainian forces.
Two servicemen, one civilian wounded amid shelling attacks in Donbas - JFO HQ
Two servicemen and one civilian have been wounded as a result of shelling attacks in Donbas over the past day, the press center of the Joint Forces Operation (JFO) headquarters said on Tuesday morning.
en.interfax.com.ua
Ukrainians persist in bombed-out front-line village as Russian forces mass
Moscow says it will be forced to act if Western powers do not stop military cooperation with Russia's neighbors.
www.japantimes.co.jp
Jittery Ukrainian Villagers ‘Fear That a Big War Will Start’
‘The worse Ukraine-Russia relations are, the more we simple people are suffering,’ one woman says
www.voanews.com
Admiral Chekov
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I post only reports corraborated by several sources. It's not my fault that most of those sources are connected to Russia, since US-centric media trends to ignore such news. I only post information that can be supported by photos and videos, preferably with onscreen date references. The articles you've posted may or may not be accurate, but none of them have that, and the photos they use are mostly not even story-specific
Yes, Russian state supports many media indeed.
Maybye they would be reporting more from the separatist territory if they weren't getting kicked out of it by the separatists
Pro-Russian Donetsk separatists eject DW journalists – DW – 12/12/2016
Despite issuing DW a press pass and promising an interview, Donetsk armed guards turned the team away at their border. The team was held for a hour before being sent back into Kyiv-controlled territory.
www.dw.com
Ukraine | Explosive Weapons Monitor
The Explosive Weapons Monitor is a civil society initiative that conducts research and analysis on harms from and practices of explosive weapon use in populated areas for the International Network on Explosive Weapons (INEW)
www.explosiveweaponsmonitor.org
Excuse all the non-Russian media for not following the same format meant for conveying the right talking point and emotional effect. Guess they didn't get the same training.
PsihoKekec
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US will get invovled that's about it.What NATO? Stop gobbling their propaganda for a moment and realize that NATO leaders already stated that there will be no NATO troops fighting there.
Its Ukrainian nationalists they will be punching the shit out of.
That's a long way to say "we don't want to be a superpower anymore".
And this is a perfect case of why people ask you and people acting like you propagandists.
If you weren't, you wouldn't just repeat the classic of "they shell villages" from Russian state media. You would also add that this is a widespread problem in the border in general, in which the question of "who started" is practically impossible to answer.
‘I hear shelling’: Fear grips Ukrainian villages near Russia
Residents are losing hope in areas near the contact line between Russia-backed separatists and Ukrainian forces.www.aljazeera.com
Two servicemen, one civilian wounded amid shelling attacks in Donbas - JFO HQ
Two servicemen and one civilian have been wounded as a result of shelling attacks in Donbas over the past day, the press center of the Joint Forces Operation (JFO) headquarters said on Tuesday morning.Ukrainians persist in bombed-out front-line village as Russian forces mass
Moscow says it will be forced to act if Western powers do not stop military cooperation with Russia's neighbors.Jittery Ukrainian Villagers ‘Fear That a Big War Will Start’
‘The worse Ukraine-Russia relations are, the more we simple people are suffering,’ one woman says
And ad kuch as HL wants the US to get its ass kicked, it won't be a fun fight ir easy fight fir either.
We just bave more manpower to throw away they don't
Involved, yes. Sanctions and probably supplies, possibly intel. Not troops.
When did we say we won't send troops?
So he went back on what he had said earlier. Or he had changed his mind since then.
Or it could be Biden saying two separate thongs hoping no one listens
Here is Biden just a week or two ago saying what the US will do.
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Biden vows US to act decisively if Russia invades Ukraine
The United States has made little progress in efforts to persuade Russian President Vladimir Putin to ease tensions.
www.militarytimes.com
That translates to "Russia is gone from SWIFT and Ukraine gets many Javelins".Here is Biden just a week or two ago saying what the US will do.
Biden vows US to act decisively if Russia invades Ukraine
The United States has made little progress in efforts to persuade Russian President Vladimir Putin to ease tensions.
Maybe.
Idk
Maybe there is a deal that could be struck with Russia to finally put down lines on paper of limits on both NATO expansion and Russia expansion.
NATO pledges not to expand it's membership and limits activities/partnerships with any non-members on Russia's periphery.
In exchange, Russia returns Kaliningrad to Poland, pledges not to expand the CSTO or make any more moves on Eastern Europe.
No one is happy, but maybe everyone could accept being equally dissatisfied.
NATO pledges not to expand it's membership and limits activities/partnerships with any non-members on Russia's periphery.
In exchange, Russia returns Kaliningrad to Poland, pledges not to expand the CSTO or make any more moves on Eastern Europe.
No one is happy, but maybe everyone could accept being equally dissatisfied.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
Returns? Kaliningrad is German clay, as is Gdansk. Areas you talk about used to be East Prussia.