Russian-Ukrainian-Polish Eternal Friendship Thread

ATP

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Zapad 2017 is not about invading Poland. Russia already has enough crazies, don't need more. KGB doesn't exist for a long time, as been dissolved on 3 December 1991. What exists right now is the FSB.

Russia is state ruled by KGB mafias.Or maybe KGB mafias cosplaing as state. i always wondered why they do not copy China - maybe becouse they are unable to do so,becouse they are few KGB mafias plaing state,not one ?
Putin as KGB colonel should be smart,so he knew that Russia should copy China.Yet he did nothing.

And Zapad 2017 planned attacking Poland and nuking Warsaw.Where i live.

Back to topic - Poland is USA vassal,becouse we have no other choice.But states in Asia and Pacyfic would fight China even if USA cease to exist.Which ,under Biden rule,is possible.
 

Bassoe

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If poland really wants to guarantee its safety from russian invasion, it should stop insisting on NATO using americans as cannon fodder and get to work on a nuclear program. Really, I've never understood why they didn't begin one as soon as the soviet union collapsed.
 
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Zachowon

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If poland really wants to guarantee its safety from russian invasion, it should stop insisting on NATO using americans as cannon fodder and get to work on a nuclear program. Really, I've never understood why they didn't begin one as soon as the soviet union collapsed.
They havnt had the tech/capabilities, or were not allowed. Trump set forth helping them before he got out
 

PsihoKekec

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Really, I've never understood why they didn't begin one as soon as the soviet union collapsed.
Because nuclear program is expensive and EU&USA would sanction them, ruining their economy. Yugoslavia started a nuclear program, but then made a calculation that for a credible deterrence they would need 100+ nukes, which they simply couldn't afford, having just a handful of nukes would only get them nuked much harder in a case of WWIII. They could start their nuclear program from scratch and maybe have some nuclear weapons, decades later, or they could have a living standard above North Korea.
 

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If poland really wants to guarantee its safety from russian invasion, it should stop insisting on NATO using americans as cannon fodder and get to work on a nuclear program. Really, I've never understood why they didn't begin one as soon as the soviet union collapsed.
The irony of that statement is that both USA and most of NATO would be the ones to lose their marbles if Poland tried to do that.
They havnt had the tech/capabilities, or were not allowed. Trump set forth helping them before he got out
The NPT and diplomatic aspect is the main issue, in addition to actually building the damn reactors, which is kinda being done, its being put off in time, and Germany&co are lobbying against it, and that's just reactors for energy. Half of the EU would throw a fit in Poland just showed a middle finger to the NPT and just started making weapons grade nuclear material of some kind. Then there would also need to be some delivery mechanism with some kind of deterrence value, yet we don't have a ballistic missile program ready, and all the other potentially convertible options are foreign made and hence would be a bitch to convert.
Because nuclear program is expensive and EU&USA would sanction them, ruining their economy.
The sanctions are a far bigger problem. Poland has double the GDP of Pakistan, and over 30x the GDP of North Korea, and somewhat better technological base than both. Contrary to popular belief, nukes aren't that expensive to build (Soviet Union was not exactly rich, but could afford tens of thousands for some time), or technologically challenging for that matter by modern technological standards at least (see: North Korea and Pakistan pulling it off). Maintaining a lot of long range ballistic missiles is what's expensive, while for its purposes of deterring Russia, Poland would barely need 1000-2000km ranged weapons, so MRBMs and cruise missiles.
 
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paulobrito

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Well, it's not like it never happened...
In that area, everybody invaded everybody at least one time, depending on the date. Germany invaded Poland, Russia invaded Poland, Poland invaded Russia, etc, etc. Not much different from other nations in Europe, after all. invading neighbors is a European game for centuries.
 

paulobrito

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Putin can be many things but is not stupid enough to invade a NATO country. If you look closely, you see that its 'area of operations' are nations not in NATO, and making is best to not let some entering NATO.
Of course, the idea that Russia any time now is going to invade a NATO country is one of the best market tools of the arms sellers. And some politico types.
 

Bassoe

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Really, Russia's only chances of successfully pulling off such an invasion would be to either:
  • Wait for NATO to collapse on account of America getting sick of paying for the defense of a bunch of foreign freeloaders.
  • Wait for NATO to become so authoritarian that they can legitimately bill themselves as Liberators™ rescuing Poland from American NGOs forcing migrants and societal policies upon them.
 

ATP

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ATP please show data about Zapad 2017 been a nuclear exercise or is targetting Poland.
Apart from the idiotic polish ministry, that his. Something credible, like NATO.

Not only Poland,some Scandinavian states,too.And polish minister is idiotic,so you do not belive him,but KGB russia ministers which invaded Ukraine and Georgia are trustworthy?
Funny,if you belive that,then maybe you buy Moon from me ? only 100 bucks.

Back to topic - Pacific states either would become China vassals,like Malaya and maybe Indonesia,or fight on their own,no matter what USA do.
 

ATP

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Putin can be many things but is not stupid enough to invade a NATO country. If you look closely, you see that its 'area of operations' are nations not in NATO, and making is best to not let some entering NATO.
Of course, the idea that Russia any time now is going to invade a NATO country is one of the best market tools of the arms sellers. And some politico types.

Putin should turn Russia into new China - instead,he turn it into new Venezuella.
He should pacify Chechenya,but after killing up to 10% of population he gave it to islamists,which would kill russian in Allah name.
And he is giving Siberia to China.
He is either stupid/KGB officers send to East Germany usually was/ , or puppet unable to rule.In both cases,whoever is ruling KGB russia is idiot,and could attack NATO.
 

Husky_Khan

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A random or at least non-politically motivated shooting or Russia being Russia again?


A burst of gunfire hit the car of a Senior aide to the Zelenskiy wounding the driver but the Aide himself was unharmed. The shooting took place outside Kiev.
 

PsihoKekec

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Infighting over corruption pie slices is more likely, they are feeling the crunch now, even USA is trying to pressure Russia to give Ukraine money so the political elite will not start slitting each others throats. Of course in the media they will try to portray as dastardly Russian plot, like they always do.
 

ATP

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Infighting over corruption pie slices is more likely, they are feeling the crunch now, even USA is trying to pressure Russia to give Ukraine money so the political elite will not start slitting each others throats. Of course in the media they will try to portray as dastardly Russian plot, like they always do.

Possible,Ukraine is gangster ruled country.But - Crimea was taken by gangsters from Russia,not Ukraine.
 

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