Russian-Ukrainian-Polish Eternal Friendship Thread

[Zachowon]

Look, i understand many of you don't like me or the way i think.
I have served my time - boring, is just after the 'cardinal revolution' of 74 in Portugal, so no 'active' time.
After that, i graduated, and i have done 4 years of volunteer service all around the globe.
Been 4 times sunder fire, hit three times - two by shrapnel, one by an 5.56, ffs. I still have the scars - not pretty. Not funny at all.
After that, i have traveled around the globe - not a big challenge, mind you, just a bit expensive.
Yeah, i know a lot about history, not the 'official one' that is a lot of crap, that takes a lot of time and dedication for you to get, understand.
So, color me not impressed by people that regurgitated the party line about history - you know nothing, 'John Snow's'.

Thank you for your service.

A lot of us on here look at history a lot, and as someone whose job it is to know how and why the enemy operates, looking at history, both the official and the other side to everyone is important.

 

[paulobrito]

Who i'm i? A bored, old, portuguese, divorced, 'retired/ reformed' guy with too much free time.

 

[ATP]

Look, i understand many of you don't like me or the way i think.
I have served my time - boring, is just after the 'cardinal revolution' of 74 in Portugal, so no 'active' time.
After that, i graduated, and i have done 4 years of volunteer service all around the globe.
Been 4 times sunder fire, hit three times - two by shrapnel, one by an 5.56, ffs. I still have the scars - not pretty. Not funny at all.
After that, i have traveled around the globe - not a big challenge, mind you, just a bit expensive.
Yeah, i know a lot about history, not the 'official one' that is a lot of crap, that takes a lot of time and dedication for you to get, understand.
So, color me not impressed by people that regurgitated the party line about history - you know nothing, 'John Snow's'.

Good for you.But if you really belive that KGB russia is not danger,and belive in official Putin history about poor kawaii Russia which invaded Ukraine by mistake,and murdered people in England becouse it was right thing to do - then you belive in fairy-tales.

But - you could belive whatever you like.This is difference between this site and SB or SV.

 

[ATP]

Tartars stopped been a relevant part of Crimea's population by late 18xx - way before Stalin. But that escaped your bias, I see.
Again, most of the posters on this site failed at history but majored in ideology.
Not surprisingly.
I bet most are ex-soviet republics exiled to the US or US-related countries. The second-generation (or third) by the lack of knowledge, is an educated guess.

Tatars are lawfull owners of Crimea.That is history,not putin ideology.
And how we could be ex-soviet republics ? people are no states,you knew.Somebody who knew history ,lke you,should knew that.
And - people was not exiled from soviet hell to USA,they try to run.And in most case was schoot by KGB.

P.S thanks for Ha,Ha,but there is nothing funny in soviet genocide.

 

[paulobrito]

What I believe is that all nations lie a lot. And no nations have friends, only interests. No nation is 'good', all are composed of the poor guys - us - and the fuckers in charge. Some are best at the propaganda game - aka selling the 'we are the good guys' than others. I'm a bit of a cynical - seen too many friends fucked / dying, do that for you. Also, see in-person things that the 'official story' says are completely different.
I don't believe that Putin (or the current China regime) and his friends are good guys, but, at the same time, I don't believe that the current regime in Washington (or in the UK) is great. Both are fuckers, and we are the ones fucked.

 

[paulobrito]

Tatars are by early 19xx less than 10% of Crimea, by late 19xx, even less. Get your numbers right. Please, don't play word games- I have already, a long time ago admitted that English is for me second or third rate language.
People that are exiled from a nation have one thing in common - their descendants - and I bet you are one - are very aggressive against the nation from where their parents run. With a very colored vision/version of the history of said nation.

 

[ATP]

What I believe is that all nations lie a lot. And no nations have friends, only interests. No nation is 'good', all are composed of the poor guys - us - and the fuckers in charge. Some are best at the propaganda game - aka selling the 'we are the good guys' than others. I'm a bit of a cynical - seen too many friends fucked / dying, do that for you. Also, see in-person things that the 'official story' says are completely different.
I don't believe that Putin (or the current China regime) and his friends are good guys, but, at the same time, I don't believe that the current regime in Washington (or in the UK) is great. Both are fuckers, and we are the ones fucked.

Good approach,and mostly true.But you forget that except normal fuckers we have worst fuckers like Putin,and leftist which want all of us in Gulag or massgraves.
Which mean,that sometimes we must fight for normal fuckers.

And there is difference between nations,too. For example,russians mostly are happy when they have tsar which stomp on them,when other european nations at least try to be free.

 

[ATP]

Tatars are by early 19xx less than 10% of Crimea, by late 19xx, even less. Get your numbers right. Please, don't play word games- I have already, a long time ago admitted that English is for me second or third rate language.
People that are exiled from a nation have one thing in common - their descendants - and I bet you are one - are very aggressive against the nation from where their parents run. With a very colored vision/version of the history of said nation.

You lost.I live in Poland.And my ancestors do not run from eastern part of Poland taken by soviets.
And numbers do not matter,Crimea still rightfully belong to Tatars.

And - soviet except dissidents was not exiled,they try to run from worker paradise.

 

[paulobrito]

Good approach,and mostly true.But you forget that except normal fuckers we have worst fuckers like Putin,and leftist which want all of us in Gulag or massgraves.
Which mean,that sometimes we must fight for normal fuckers.

And there is difference between nations,too. For example,russians mostly are happy when they have tsar which stomp on them,when other european nations at least try to be free.

Russians like a strong type of regime. Is understandable, after the crap that the Yeltsin regime gives them. If they get a decent Western-like regime they could have changed, but alas, Yeltsin fucked that option. Mass graves? - many nations need to trade lightly on that topic - US, UK, Germany, Japan, Portugal, Spain, Belgium, etc, etc.

 

[paulobrito]

You lost.I live in Poland.And my ancestors do not run from eastern part of Poland taken by soviets.
And numbers do not matter,Crimea still rightfully belong to Tatars.

Strange, you don't see the Tatar nation (oops, don't exist anymore, if any/ever) declare for Crimea. What you see right now, is the people that live in Crimea, to be happy to be part of Russia. Deal with that, if you can. Realpolitik is a bitch.

 

[Marduk]

Tartars stopped been a relevant part of Crimea's population by late 18xx - way before Stalin.

Well yeah, Russian Empire weren't exactly angels either. And neither were the Tatars by the way.
But again, 3/10 on facts.

Demographics of Crimea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Crimean Tatars emerged as a Turkic-speaking ethnic group native to Crimea in the early modern period, during the lifetime of the Crimean Khanate, and by the annexation of the Crimean Khanate by the Russian Empire in 1783, they formed the clear majority of Crimean population. The colonization "New Russia" (the Novorossiysk Governorate, of which the later Taurida Governorate formed a part) at the end of the 18th century was led by Prince Grigori Potemkin who was granted the powers of an absolute ruler over the area by Catherine the Great. The lands were generously given to the Russian dvoryanstvo (nobility), and the enserfed peasantry mostly from Ukraine and fewer from Russia were transferred to cultivate what was a sparsely populated steppe. Catherine the Great also invited European settlers to these newly conquered lands: Germans, Poles, Italians, and others. Crimea is geographically and demographically divided into three regions, the steppe interior, the mountains, and the coast. The Tatars were the predominant portion of the population in the mountainous area and about half of the steppe population, while Russians were concentrated most heavily in the Feodosiya district. Germans and Bulgarians settled in the Crimea at the beginning of the 19th century, receiving a large allotment and fertile land. Wealthy colonists later bought substantial portions of land, mainly in Perekopsky and Yevpatoria districts.

So that's Russian Empire doing its own demographic engineering, funny how conveniently you pick late 19th century.
However, on that statement, you are plainly wrong.

By the 1897 Russian Empire Census, Crimean Tatars continued to form a slight plurality (35%) of Crimea's still largely rural population, but there were large numbers of Russians (33%) and Ukrainians (11%), as well as smaller numbers of Germans, Jews (including Krymchaks and Crimean Karaites), Bulgarians, Belarusians, Turks, Armenians, and Greeks and Roma (gypsies).

>35%, largest singular group
Totally not a relevant part of the population guys.

But that escaped your bias, I see.
Again, most of the posters on this site failed at history but majored in ideology.
Not surprisingly.
I bet most are ex-soviet republics exiled to the US or US-related countries. The second-generation (or third) by the lack of knowledge, is an educated guess.

Lol. You don't even attempt to argue facts, just repeatedly claim others don't know history. Contrary to what certain people say, repeating your bullshit enough times doesn't make it any more true than it was the first time.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Tatars are lawfull owners of Crimea.

And Germans are lawful owners of Silesia, Prussia, Pomerania and Posen. Your point?

 

[Marduk]

And Germans are lawful owners of Silesia, Prussia, Pomerania and Posen. Your point?

Good point, Tatars are just descendents of Mongols who conquered the whole region. Before that it was owned by Kievan Rus, which also conquered it, from the Byzantine Empire, so Greece it is

 

[ATP]

Strange, you don't see the Tatar nation (oops, don't exist anymore, if any/ever) declare for Crimea. What you see right now, is the people that live in Crimea, to be happy to be part of Russia. Deal with that, if you can. Realpolitik is a bitch.

Then why KGB arrest anybody there who do not sing for Putin?
Your ignorance is normal for western people - you never lived in commie hellhole,so you do not knew that those who lived must be happy and show that to do not die or at least lost work.I lived in Poland where commies were weak,but i still must go to 1th May events,becouse otherwise parents would have problems.

And if you think that tatar are not nation,then russian are shizos nation.Becouse somebody who praise both orthodox tsar and soviets who murdered him ,must be mad.

In KGB Russia - if you are not happy,you have problems.Everybody here would show how happy he is under Putin,if we live there.
Well,aside from dead heroes.

@PsihoKekec - german stealed polish and baltic tribes territories,but that not made them owners./they even stealed name of prussian from baltic tribes/
Tatars taken over Crimea by force,but they made something which never existed before - one state.What we have before was independent cities and tribes.
Russia take over that state,but tatars are still rightfull owners.

Back to topic - states in Asia would fight China for their own reasons,not becouse they are USA vassals.Especially,that Biden is China vassal now.

 

[ATP]

Russians like a strong type of regime. Is understandable, after the crap that the Yeltsin regime gives them. If they get a decent Western-like regime they could have changed, but alas, Yeltsin fucked that option. Mass graves? - many nations need to trade lightly on that topic - US, UK, Germany, Japan, Portugal, Spain, Belgium, etc, etc.

Strong regime in Russia...BWAHAHAHAHA. Let me laugh more.

Putin blown up 300 russians to have pretext to invade Czeczenya.And gave it to Kadyrow,who is turning people there into good little islamists,and is paid for that.Becoue Putin do not take any money from Kadyrow,he is giving them to him,so he could create muslim state there.

Not mention China.China is buing Syberia,there is more chineese then russians there - and what Putin did about that?
Well,except invading Ukraina and preparing to invade Poland,nothing.

As polish citizen i am actually proud of my country,but if KGB think that enslaving my nation is more important then keeping Syberia,that they are idiots.

Massgraves - leftist would always made them,no matter in which nation.Revolution need "New people" so old one must be removed.

Back to topic - China could wait with taking Taiwan till Biden destroy USA.If they attack now they would succed,but USA could save itself from Biden and survive.

 

[paulobrito]

Polish people and they obsession that Russia is going to invade then any time now...

 

[ATP]

Polish people and they obsession that Russia is going to invade then any time now...

Idiot Putin really gave Chechenya to islamists,and is giving Siberia to China.That not obsession,but facts.I would not care,if they do not plan invade Poland.

during Zapad 17 military excersises they planned invading Poland/of course,after bad polish terrorist attack and do nothing to mighty KGB russia/ and nuke Warsaw.When i live.
So,they plan to invade my country,kill me and my family,and you call it obsession ?

If you love KGB that much,why not go and live there ?

And back to topic again - China have time and could wait till democrats destroy USA for them.They could take Taiwan in 2030 - if Biden/Kamale keep power,there would be no more USA then.

Which mean,that Poland would must become China vassal.Pity,i would prever independence,but Putin mind is too small to recognize free Poland.

 

[paulobrito]

Zapad 2017 is not about invading Poland. Russia already has enough crazies, don't need more. KGB doesn't exist for a long time, as been dissolved on 3 December 1991. What exists right now is the FSB.

 

[PsihoKekec]

And SVR.

 

[paulobrito]

None of these has the resources, people, or power that the old KGB has, not by a very wide margin.