Polish MiGs will be going to Rammstein AFB in Germany and given over to the United States, likely in exchange for used F-16's. This the MiGs will likely end up in Ukrainian service sooner or later
Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022
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Good.We should send Su-22,too.If we have only one kind of plane,it would be much cheaper.
Not that those Mig would help ukrainians,not against 500+ Putin planes there.
But - it certainly help Poland to get one type of plane less.
P.S We should mass produce Warmate for ourselves,and ukrainians too - if they pay,of course.
And gas embargo would help us - we could now come back to coal.Which we have plenty.
They don't want Su-22 because they don't have pilots currently certified to fly them, just like with the western planes. They want Mig-29's and Su-25's because they have pilots for them.
As for the 500 planes, well, that's the strength of units on paper. Only some percent of these units are fully flyable, combat ready planes, and only some of those are fighters.
Circle of Willis
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Can it be that Ukraine & Russia are now approaching a compromise peace? From this article it sounds like Russia is moderating its demands (keep Crimea, Donbas PRs + enshrine neutrality in the Ukrainian constitution, but no demilitarization or deposition of Zelensky's government) while at the same time Zelensky said he's now receptive to negotiating & placating Russia on all those issues in an ABC interview yesterday.
Well they apparently identified the fake victims.
Ukrainian mom killed by Russians with her two kids identified
Tatiana Perebeynos, her two children Alise and Nikita, and a man they were traveling with were killed while fleeing Irpin when Russian forces fired at an area that was largely civilians.
nypost.com
Maybe the photographer and Ukrainian volunteers had the corpses of her family members nearby to set up the photo op?
Or perhaps they were Crisis Actors?
Floridaman
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That was their demands from before the invasion, so not exactly moderating.
Yeah and there was no threat of them joining NATO before precisely due to the fact there was ongoing territorial disputes. This seems like it'd lock them out of even being part of the European Union unless I'm mistaken.
Circle of Willis
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Yeah, I thought all that stuff about 'denazifying' Ukraine (via total regime change) came after Putin's declaration of war. If the Russians get most or all of the priorities they were after before formally popping off the fireworks anyway - well, this entire war seems like the sort of situation that could've been averted a couple weeks and a couple thousand lost lives ago with capable and realistic leadership.
He was clown.Now,thanks to Putin,he is head of state and father of nation.Becouse,thanks to KGBstan invasion,Ukraine now would hate russians,and get real national heroes,not UPA fakes.One of those heroes is Zelensky.
But,even if he was clown - i prefer clowns to psycho genociders like Putin,who blow up 311 russians in 1999 to have pretext for taking Czeczenya,and genociding there 100k+ cyvilians.
Agent23
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Yeah, I had a theory about him doing a lot of this and maybe even working with Putin in secret so as to get the Russians to exterminate or yeet out any undesirable elements from Ukraine.
The extreme nationalists and neo-nazis were breathing down his neck and the more western-oriented people in the country and the oligarchs would have replaced him if the country did not get into NATO.
Instead he can just have the Russian army yeet his potential opposition and murder the nastier of his enemies, he plays tough, he manages to get a less severe peace treaty leaving most of Ukraine in tact, he is loved and respected as a great leader.
The Russians get to show the Americans up, approval for their government increases and they get to explosively detach themselves from the West, with the population supporting the move.
The USA is embarrassed, NATO is shown to be a joke, and inflation in the west spikes massively.
That would have been a convenient explanation of the total lack of Russian media warfare
However, after seeing him play Napoleon, and pretend to play Hava Nagila with his dick, well...
TBH a bunch of things don't add up where the Russian campaign was concerned, it felt like something big must have happened behind the scenes, like perhaps somebody deciding to go in and genocide the Donbass.
CRP thinks that they were about to do just that, and that forced Putin's hand, so Zelenski was either under total ultranationalist/thug control or he orchestrated the whole thing so as to get rid of his enemies, that is one explanation as to why he did a few very provocative things.
World leaders do not blown up their own citizens to provoke war and start genocide,Putin did so.
Putin with forces available could take Kiev in 3 days,but instead choose long war which bloodied russian army.It is obvious,that he made deal with Biden handlers - they get distraction from their mistakes,he could purge army,which was always KGB enemy.And is only force in KGBstan still partially independent.
As for Zelensky - he was clown,now is hero,and would remain as such even if Putin kill him.Unless he try deal with KGB - then he would be traitor.
Just my slight take on why negoatiations might actually come to something.
I do not think Putin expected his forces to forget they need the 3G cell towers for their encrypted comms, and that fuck up has blown a lot of the momentum because of its affects on OPSEC by forcing them to use open comms.
Its also embarrassing as fuck, and not something he can really blame on the West or Zelenski.
I do not think Putin expected his forces to forget they need the 3G cell towers for their encrypted comms, and that fuck up has blown a lot of the momentum because of its affects on OPSEC by forcing them to use open comms.
Its also embarrassing as fuck, and not something he can really blame on the West or Zelenski.
You're reading too much into it. That Zelensky said he's open to negotiate on these issues was predictable, the question is if Russia will be satisfied with it.
As i see the negotiations, Crimea is easiest, at least in theory. Money goes a long way in Ukraine, Russia should have offered to negotiate a price for it, plus a partially linked water deal and other stuff to prevent dickery, case closed.
Perhaps throw in a UN/EU supervised second referendum, which Russia has a decent probability of winning honestly as a international law/muh democracy cover. Not sure if Putin would be happy with "decent probability" though.
DNR/LNR is a mess though. Probably unsolvable without involving many blue helmets for next few decades. Barring that, its status quo, constant skirmishing with the little warlord states is hard to avoid, and Russia has an easy way to unfreeze the conflict the moment it decides its time to try again. Nevermind the border question and the Russia alliance question. And last but not least and not unrelated...
The organization membership issue is a red line for Ukraine. Zelensky already stated that he's willing to forego NATO membership, but wants some kind of alternative external security guarantee, and rightfully so, if nothing else, to prevent Russia from trying again at next opportunity to "renegotiate" the deal in more favorable circumstances, excuse for which it can generate at a whim through independent LNR/DNR. Same goes for EU, not sure if Russia can accept that, yet Ukraine needs at minimum a long term associate status like Turkey, or Norway. Without that, Russia is free to do the above through economic warfare.
In that case, the man is some kind of videogame level maxed out charisma build character, because according to what you're saying he has the borderline magical power to unite degenerates of Europe and Neo-Nazis. Normal people can't even imagine doing that.
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Arlos
Sad Monarchist
Statement by Pentagon Press Secretary John F. Kirby on Security Assistance to Ukraine
Pentagon Press Secretary John F. Kirby issued a statement on security assistance to Ukraine.
www.defense.gov
.…I am not sure what to say.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Or, well financed and supported and still puppet. And a front. Basically he is the Jewish Ghetto Police - Wikipedia
prinCZess
Warrior, Writer, Performer, Perv
Zelensky clearly has access to ancient Jewish magics that give him status buffs in persuasion attempts.
-Globalists are captivated by his hava nagila-playing penis because they love penis more than they hate nationalism.
-Journos eat up Ukrainian propaganda because they love ratings more than they hate being lied to.
-Banderites, in a bizarre irony, love him just for not being Russian and ignore the whole Jewish thing because they love nationalism more than they hate Jews.
We live in the funniest timeline.
(This post not meant to be taken seriously...On the off-chance there was any chance that was ever in doubt)