King Arts
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This is true.
Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2
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He should've been hanged for espionage. They treated him with kid gloves because he was American. Bastard was here to teach incels how to exploit vulnerable Eastern European women. I wouldn't be surprised if this is another one of Carlson's fake fluff pieces to rile up his lowest common denominator followers.
Irony of Ironies. Lira was in a private hospital for pneumonia. Guarded of course. The Russian attacks damaged the hospital and the lack of heat and breathing equipment killed him. They were providing him with western drugs paid for by the American embassy.
Wow! You Americans treat even your Commie traitors well. @Bacle Why?
Wow! You Americans treat even your Commie traitors well. @Bacle Why?
LordsFire
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Can you link to sources on any of this?
First I'd heard of those details, source?
strunkenwhite
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Presuming your information is correct, I'd suppose that neither Ukraine nor America were interested in him dying due to some easily preventable malady and enduring the inevitable accusations of purposely killing him without due process.
I'm still waiting for confirmation on it. But it's the main counter argument on Telegram and on Twitter jakebroe is an American commentor you might find on Twitter using it. Couple of things are known
- He was in hospital for treatment, in the wealthy district as far as public records go.
- The grid went down after the latest attacks.
- The hospital was unable to get power back for a few days
- A lot of patients died
- A few days later his death is announced
People put those together and ran wild with it. Russians claiming assassination and omitting the hospital stay. Ukrainians and Euros claiming just desserts.
Huh, well, make's some sense.
Though I would be...careful about taking Broe too seriously on anything relating to US domestic politics.
I used to follow him till it became clear he's got an axe to grind with anyone who supported Trump, or questions anything about the official DC narrative on domestic politics.
There is a real problem with Russia agents like Lira, Hinkle, and MacGregor being given serious time by the likes of Carlson or friends.
There is also part of the Right that has ended up with a very warped view of the situation with Russia, due to the lingering effects of the 'Russian Collusion Hoax' and the use of lies about a call to Zelensky as part of one of the Impeachments. Ukraine's history with corruption didn't help, but that should not be put on Zelensky's head for what happened with that call or the corruption at home; the man is doing his best to clean the country up while also dealing with it's fight for survival and didn't say Trump said anything wrong in the call.
But painting all Trump supporters/MAGA as Russian friendly, as Broe has done, and calling RFK Jr. a Russian agent was a bridge too far.
Poe
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I've no idea who this dude was but if he was an American citizen and he died in Ukrainian custody it should be a scandal. If it was due to Russian bombs or something that's different, but if it wasn't I don't really give a shit what his views were unless he was a literal Russian agent he's still an American.
He was arrested on a SBU sting in cooperation with your embassy for taking pictures of Ukrainian Air Defense positions and troop movements and trying to sell them to an FSB agent. Or who he thought was FSB and his finances were audited and has been shown to have been paid in the past by known FSB fixers.
That was stupid of him to do.
I laugh how biased Musk's supposed free speech platform is. I replied to Medvedev's post accusing Ukraine of corruption and murder of Lira. By asking if he thought we were brain addled, with hummingbird attention spans to not remember several of those corrupt politicians he was pointing to were Soviet Russian relics like himself, that Russia pressured Kyiv to keep in government.
My second post mocked Lavrov's lies. I got banned and deleted in 10 minutes. What the hell Elon? Fucking communist loving bastard. Oh well I'm to old to be on social media anyway. Crazy kids
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
And as I understand he got multiple warnings about from the Ukrainian authorities before they brought the hammer down.
If he is dead, then Gonzalo effectively got himself killed for Daddy Putin and to own the libs. God damn the internet has ruined the human brain.
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Dude acted as a spy for Russia and tried to sell photo's of UA air defense and troop positions.
That was the first time he was arrested, and he only got house arrest for it, but kept up with promoting Russian lies about Ukraine, then tried to flee the country when he was told not to.
Ukraine was merciful with him, and his own bad habits and unhealthy life-style mean he was in that hospital when the local grid went down, and he was not the only patient who died because the electricity was cut by a Russian air strike.
The Kremlin helped kill one of it's own agents, it seems.
Musk actually values the US 1st Amendment, and Twitter/X is supposed to be a townhall, not an arm of Ukraine's military.
The US will do many things to help Ukraine, but our 1st Amendment is not going to be sacrificed for any nation's sake.
The Ukraine supporters who keep wanting Musk to basically act as an general in the UA armed forces cyber division, and call him a commie lover and worse for not doing so, only make Ukraine's situation more dicey.
Don't bite the hand that feeds, and Musk/SpaceX has serious concerns about becoming targets for the Kremlin if they violate their own ToS for Twitter/X/Starlink to help Ukraine.
No I meant actually enforce freedom of speech and not favor the CCP and Chinese bastards by banning anyone who disagrees with them
He's not doing that to begin with though, so that's a false premise to start with.
I have shit talked plenty about the CCP on Twitter and never got dinged for it. I've shit talked and frankly celebrated the killing of Russians on Twitter multiple times, never had a problem.
This sounds more like maybe you've gone too hard after CCP and Russian shills on Twitter and breached the ToS without realizing it.
I know plenty of others who do fight the good fight on Twitter and don't get dinged either, so I do not agree that Elon is giving favor to CCP shills or influence, or Russian shills or influence.
King Arts
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Holy shit Bacle are you being reasonable right now? You are saying something I agree with from Lifa being stupid and working for the Russians to defending Musk.
Is tonight a blue moon or something?
Would be a smart move for all Western nations; remove the ability of Russian nationals to purchase property in our nations.
No more penthouses in Miami or luxury flats in London for the Russian oligarch, now and in the future.
Show there will be no forgiveness from the west for what Russia has done, at least until the Russian nation is made to pay for every bit of damage they've inflicted on Ukraine.
And here we see why anyone thinking Putin is open to any negotiation besides "We keep everything we want, and Ukraine must be weak enough for us to conquer next go around, or effectively a vassal state with legal means for Russia to control Ukraine's internal affairs." is a farce.
So anyone who think negotiations are realistic for either sides is delusional about this situation.