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Cherico

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I said what I said then, and specified which Russians (hint, not all Russians) I considered to be effective enemies and why. I gave Putin and the Russian people the benefit far longer than I should have.

Any Russian that supports Putin, and what Putin has done in this war, is someone to be considered an enemy, whether they are in Russia or not.

Russia as a nation will be paying for Putin's actions for generations to come financially via war reparations, at minimum.

Putin wants to burn his nation's future in this futile invasion in Ukraine, while only caring about his personal 'legacy', and the 'Second Army of the World' has been shown to be a hollow shell of what it was advertised as.

Even calling Russians orcs is an insult to orcs now, because Sauron's armies were much better led and motivated than Russians have proven to be.

The Russians worth supporting and protecting are the ones who do not support the war or what Putin is doing, and I never said to target them.

Your not getting reperations out of the russians.

Reperations are things you get out of throughly defeated enemies, and Russias a nuclear power. Realisticlally you can kick them out of Ukraine and bleed them hard enough that ethnic minorities like the Tartars and chechians smell blood in the water and jump ship. From there Russia becomes a Chinese resource colony.
 

Bacle

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Your not getting reperations out of the russians.

Reperations are things you get out of throughly defeated enemies, and Russias a nuclear power. Realisticlally you can kick them out of Ukraine and bleed them hard enough that ethnic minorities like the Tartars and chechians smell blood in the water and jump ship. From there Russia becomes a Chinese resource colony.
Sure we can, via trade tariffs and special fees/taxes on Russian goods on the international market, and via continued price-caps on Russia hydrocarbons.

All the international tools are there to make Russia pay out the nose for Putin's invasions, for as long as needed/required to pay for the damage done.
 

Agent23

Ни шагу назад!
Keep in mind that Maduk is a Polish nationalist; it's not his business to give a crap about what happens to Americans. His only concern is what's in Poland's best interest, which a conflict between America and Russia very much would be; so anything that would facilitate that (such as silencing Americans who would object to such a thing) is something that, in his mind, can only be a good thing.
Yeah, I don't give a crap if someone is a pololish nationalist or not, he is out to try and drag everyone else into his little revenge fantasies while adamantly refusing to participate in the hospitalies he is pushing.That, and calling me a communist.
Also, it is very interesting how a so called polish nationalist :
a) Posts at times when it is the dead ot night in Poland, like after 3 AM CET and also around 6 AM, so it feels more like he is in the Americans then Europe.US Central time or farther west to be precise.
b) Doesn't know that the 1st of may is EU accession day
and still a holiday in Poland.
I always thought he glows.
EDIT:
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And I am 1 hour ahead of CET.
 
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Zachowon

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I said what I said then, and specified which Russians (hint, not all Russians) I considered to be effective enemies and why. I gave Putin and the Russian people the benefit far longer than I should have.

Any Russian that supports Putin, and what Putin has done in this war, is someone to be considered an enemy, whether they are in Russia or not.

Russia as a nation will be paying for Putin's actions for generations to come financially via war reparations, at minimum.

Putin wants to burn his nation's future in this futile invasion in Ukraine, while only caring about his personal 'legacy', and the 'Second Army of the World' has been shown to be a hollow shell of what it was advertised as.

Even calling Russians orcs is an insult to orcs now, because Sauron's armies were much better led and motivated than Russians have proven to be.

The Russians worth supporting and protecting are the ones who do not support the war or what Putin is doing, and I never said to target them.
Bacle, I disagree with this heavily.
My mother's neighbor. A missionary who went to Russia and got married to a Russian, has parents in Russia still. The wife does.
They have kids and they dint want then growing up without grandparents.
So Kazakhstan.
The grand parents if the kids are die hard pro Russian, but they live in Russia and shouldn't suffer because they have to say pro Russian thungs.
 

Agent23

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Bacle, I disagree with this heavily.
My mother's neighbor. A missionary who went to Russia and got married to a Russian, has parents in Russia still. The wife does.
They have kids and they dint want then growing up without grandparents.
So Kazakhstan.
The grand parents if the kids are die hard pro Russian, but they live in Russia and shouldn't suffer because they have to say pro Russian thungs.
Um, dude, stop letting autocorrect mess what you type, it is hard to understand.

In any case there are lots of other orthodox counties and countries close to the orthodox world where they can go.

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If they are a large enough group and have money they can just buy up a village in a nice location that is neither too close nor too far from "civilization" and live there in most areas with an orthodox population.
Georgia for instance is pretty cheap compared even to Bulgaria and it has decent agriculture and climate.
 

Marduk

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Yeah, I don't give a crap if someone is a pololish nationalist or not, he is out to try and drag everyone else into his little revenge fantasies while adamantly refusing to participate in the hospitalies he is pushing.That, and calling me a communist.
Also, it is very interesting how a so called polish nationalist :
a) Posts at times when it is the dead ot night in Poland, like after 3 AM CET and also around 6 AM, so it feels more like he is in the Americans then Europe.US Central time or farther west to be precise.
b) Doesn't know that the 1st of may is EU accession day
and still a holiday in Poland.
The fuck your vatnik ass knows about what i know (or care about) or my personal habits?
As much as it is supposed to, which is very little.
If you love Russia so much, move there, serve the country you are so eager to cheer for, write apologia for and repost crude propaganda for on niche internet forums, and enjoy no longer having a need to complain about those nasty Poles, Anglo-Saxons, neocons and the like "dragging you into hostilities".
I always thought he glows.
EDIT:
IMG-20230513-103819.jpg

And I am 1 hour ahead of CET.
And as a special thank you for acting like a little shit and also bringing this back on topic:
 

Agent23

Ни шагу назад!
The fuck your vatnik ass knows about what i know (or care about) or my personal habits?
As much as it is supposed to, which is very little.
If you love Russia so much, move there, serve the country you are so eager to cheer for, write apologia for and repost crude propaganda for on niche internet forums, and enjoy no longer having a need to complain about those nasty Poles, Anglo-Saxons, neocons and the like "dragging you into hostilities".
Oh, my, if you ree so hard and immediately start throwing shit in an attempt to change the subject then I MUST have hit a nerve.
So, do you even have polish roots at all?
And as a special thank you for acting like a little shit and also bringing this back on topic:
Obvious distraction is obvious.
 

King Arts

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Honestly that makes a really good argument for a segregated internet.
No that's a bad idea very bad. It will make the government stronger and make it easier for them to lie to us or spread propaganda. By having other outside perspectives it will help us.

Any time, Glowkowalski.
Any time.
This is nonsense Agent. Saying someone is a glowie is the most ridiculous thing. As for Marduk do you have any proof he isn't Polish? The only thing you sad is that he posts when it's late in Poland. But here are the things the world has time zones this website is mostly American so he has to post when the American's are awake for him to actually interact with anyone. As for why he posts here it's quite possible he is an Americaboo. We have weaboos Americans/westerners who are into Japanese culture and go to Jap websites. Why couldn't a European be into the most powerful nation in the world's culture?
 

King Arts

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He also advocates for the genocide of russians. Because of what their ancestors allegedly did 120 years ago
Yeah Bacle does seem to be a western neo colonist. He does want to punish nations that don't follow and obey. I mean I can understand opposing Russia. But I think it's wrong to force other nations to follow your policies or else. People like him would probably push India into Russia and China's camp, and he would ree if India demanded something from the west or Britain.
 

Agent23

Ни шагу назад!
No that's a bad idea very bad. It will make the government stronger and make it easier for them to lie to us or spread propaganda. By having other outside perspectives it will help us.


This is nonsense Agent. Saying someone is a glowie is the most ridiculous thing. As for Marduk do you have any proof he isn't Polish? The only thing you sad is that he posts when it's late in Poland. But here are the things the world has time zones this website is mostly American so he has to post when the American's are awake for him to actually interact with anyone. As for why he posts here it's quite possible he is an Americaboo. We have weaboos Americans/westerners who are into Japanese culture and go to Jap websites. Why couldn't a European be into the most powerful nation in the world's culture?
Late and early.
I have seen him post at 3 AM and 6 AM his time on multiple occasions.That is not exactly something that fits in a normal day for someone on CET.
And during one conversation about him wasting my extended weekend with his usual whataboutism he had no idea that may 1st was a national holiday.

So even if he is of polish extraction he has not been in Poland in over a decade to have no idea when the holidays are.

What is more important, May 2nd is Polish Flag day, which was also a holiday once upon a time and the 3rd is their Constitution day, which is yet another holiday.

So, yeah, his claims about being a pole are very suspect.
 

Bacle

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Bacle, I disagree with this heavily.
My mother's neighbor. A missionary who went to Russia and got married to a Russian, has parents in Russia still. The wife does.
They have kids and they dint want then growing up without grandparents.
So Kazakhstan.
The grand parents if the kids are die hard pro Russian, but they live in Russia and shouldn't suffer because they have to say pro Russian thungs.
If the grandparents live inside Russia, and support Putin, the kids are better off not knowing their grandparents or visiting them (easy way to become Putin regime hostages).

I know that sounds heartless, but it is better for the kids to not be exposed to pro-Putin madness, and they aren't going to change the minds of the grandparents.

Also, if the grandparents are already inside Russia, and aren't planning to leave Russia, then they are easy to contain, and containing pro-Putin Russians to Russia's own borders is one of the better long term outcomes at this point.

We cannot fix Russia, and Russia is unlikely to unfuck itself, so containment is the only option on the table.
 

King Arts

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If the grandparents live inside Russia, and support Putin, the kids are better off not knowing their grandparents or visiting them (easy way to become Putin regime hostages).

I know that sounds heartless, but it is better for the kids to not be exposed to pro-Putin madness, and they aren't going to change the minds of the grandparents.

Also, if the grandparents are already inside Russia, and aren't planning to leave Russia, then they are easy to contain, and containing pro-Putin Russians to Russia's own borders is one of the better long term outcomes at this point.

We cannot fix Russia, and Russia is unlikely to unfuck itself, so containment is the only option on the table.
Ahh look the liberal reveals his colors fuck family the political beliefs of 2023 matter more.
This is the sort of stuff that leads to family falling apart because they aren't woke enough to support gays and trannies.
 

DarthOne

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Hersh: CIA Knows Zelensky & Top Generals Are Skimming Hundreds Of Millions In US Aid


On Wednesday, Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh published a report on Substack that alleged the CIA was aware of widespread corruption in Ukraine and the embezzlement of US aid.

The report said the Ukrainian government has been using US taxpayer money to purchase diesel from Russia to fuel its military. Hersh said Zelensky "has been buying the fuel from Russia, the country with which it, and Washington, are at war, and the Ukrainian president and many in his entourage have been skimming untold millions from the American dollars earmarked for diesel fuel payments."



Hersh said according to one estimate by CIA analysts, at least $400 million in funds were embezzled last year. Sources told Hersh that Ukrainian officials are also "competing" to set up front companies for export contracts to private arms dealers around the world.

The issue of corruption was raised during a meeting between CIA Director William Burns and Zelensky in January. An intelligence official with direct knowledge of the meeting told Hersh that Burns delivered a stunning message to Zelensky.

Hersh wrote: "The senior generals and government officials in Kiev were angry at what they saw as Zelensky's greed, so Burns told the Ukrainian president, because 'he was taking a larger share of the skim money than was going to the generals.'"

During the meeting, Burns presented Zelensky with a list of 35 generals and senior government officials whose corruption was known to the CIA. Zelensky responded by dismissing 10 officials who were engaged in flagrant corruption.

"The ten he got rid of were brazenly bragging about the money they had—driving around Kiev in their new Mercedes," the intelligence official said.
Hersh said Zelensky's "half-hearted response" and the "lack of concern" in the White House angered some US intelligence officials. The intelligence official speaking to Hersh criticized President Biden's two main foreign policy advisors, Secretary of State Antony Blinken and National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan.

"They have no experience, judgment, and moral integrity. They just tell lies, make up stories. Diplomatic deniability is something else," the official said. The official said there was a "total breakdown between the White House leadership and the intelligence community."

The report said the rift started in the fall when the Nord Stream natural gas pipelines were blown up. According to Hersh's earlier reporting, President Biden ordered the operation that took out the pipelines. "Destroying the Nord Stream pipelines was never discussed, or even known in advance, by the community," the official said.


The official said there is "no strategy for ending the war" within the Biden administration and offered more scathing criticism of Blinken and Sullivan.

"Burns is not the problem," the official said. "The problem is Biden and his principal lieutenants—Blinken and Sullivan and their court of worshippers—who see those who criticize Zelensky as being pro-Putin. 'We are against evil. Ukraine will fight 'til the last military shell is gone, and still fight.' And here's Biden who is telling America that we're going to fight as long as it takes."

Hersh's story comes after a series of leaked top-secret documents from the Pentagon and other government agencies surfaced online. Some of the documents show US war planning for Ukraine and reveal the US doubts Kyiv's ability to launch a successful counter-offensive, offering a starkly different view of Ukraine's abilities than what Biden officials have been saying publicly.

TRADING WITH THE ENEMY



Amid rampant corruption in Kiev and as US troops gather at the Ukrainian border, does the Biden administration have an endgame to the conflict?

The Ukraine government, headed by Volodymyr Zelensky, has been using American taxpayers' funds to pay dearly for the vitally needed diesel fuel that is keeping the Ukrainian army on the move in its war with Russia. It is unknown how much the Zelensky government is paying per gallon for the fuel, but the Pentagon was paying as much as $400 per gallon to transport gasoline from a port in Pakistan, via truck or parachute, into Afghanistan during the decades-long American war there.

What also is unknown is that Zelensky has been buying the fuel from Russia, the country with which it, and Washington, are at war, and the Ukrainian president and many in his entourage have been skimming untold millions from the American dollars earmarked for diesel fuel payments. One estimate by analysts from the Central Intelligence Agency put the embezzled funds at $400 million last year, at least; another expert compared the level of corruption in Kiev as approaching that of the Afghan war, "although there will be no professional audit reports emerging from the Ukraine."

"Zelensky's been buying discount diesel from the Russians," one knowledgeable American intelligence official told me. "And who's paying for the gas and oil? We are. Putin and his oligarchs are making millions" on it.

Many government ministries in Kiev have been literally "competing," I was told, to set up front companies for export contracts for weapons and ammunition with private arms dealers around the world, all of which provide kickbacks. Many of those companies are in Poland and Czechia, but others are thought to exist in the Persian Gulf and Israel. "I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there are others in places like the Cayman Islands and Panama, and there are lots of Americans involved," an American expert on international trade told me.

The issue of corruption was directly raised with Zelensky in a meeting last January in Kiev with CIA Director William Burns. His message to the Ukrainian president, I was told by an intelligence official with direct knowledge of the meeting, was out of a 1950s mob movie. The senior generals and government officials in Kiev were angry at what they saw as Zelensky's greed, so Burns told the Ukrainian president, because "he was taking a larger share of the skim money than was going to the generals."

Burns also presented Zelensky with a list of thirty-five generals and senior officials whose corruption was known to the CIA and others in the American government. Zelensky responded to the American pressure ten days later by publicly dismissing ten of the most ostentatious officials on the list and doing little else. "The ten he got rid of were brazenly bragging about the money they had—driving around Kiev in their new Mercedes," the intelligence official told me.

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