Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[Marduk]

Yes, because the US government has never, ever lied about stuff or used it’s authority to stifle inconvenient truths that run counter to the narrative it wishes to push.

Nope.

Not once.

Go argue with the strawman who said that, stop embarrassing yourself here with clumsy attempts at whataboutism. No amount of real or imagined faults you pin on the US government will count as a tiniest valid argument that Russia is anything but a neoimperialist shithole right now, these things are not connected in any way.

I fail to understand the mysterious need some people have to excuse Russia's shitfuckery just because they want to stick it to the US government, even though it doesn't help their argument against the US government, in fact it just detracts from its credibility.
Unless they are some kind of leftists, islamists or other more generally politically anti-western ones, in which case it just comes with the territory of shilling for their own side.

Putin slams ‘golden billion’ idea as neocolonial and racist

According to Putin, the impression is that the West simply cannot offer the world a model of the future

tass.com

Reminder to all American who may fall for such bullshitry, when Putin speaks of the "golden billion" (and in that link he does it on a Russian government site, no western journo shills twisting it), he means YOU, among all the other citizens of "collective West". He doesn't mean the 1% of a billion, not the elites of the billion, not the billionaires among the billion, not the leftists among the billion, there certainly is room for YOU in the term he uses, and he's calling YOU "racist and neocolonial".
Why do you defend this politician? Do you also defend other politicians who call you "racist and neocolonial"?

 

[LordsFire]

I'm curious...what's your opinion on my sanity level?

I don't react with you frequently enough to have a strong opinion. I vaguely remember arguing with you on some subjects, but you didn't leave the sheer depth of impression that History 'Learner' did.

 

[mrttao]

Yes, because the US government has never, ever lied about stuff or used it’s authority to stifle inconvenient truths that run counter to the narrative it wishes to push.

Nope.

Not once.

Neocons will happily cheer for biden as he implements the most draconian violations of their basic human rights.
Then pikachu face when it is used on them instead of actual russian spies

"But I am not a russian spy!" marduk will cry as he is hauled off for prison for being opposed to child grooming in school. "I thought this was only to be used against the Evil Demon Putin and all things Russia related! You can't do this to me!"

 

[Zachowon]

So, a KH-55 in Poland.

 

[Marduk]

Neocons will happily cheer for biden as he implements the most draconian violations of their basic human rights.
Then pikachu face when it is used on them instead of actual russian spies

"But I am not a russian spy!" marduk will cry as he is hauled off for prison for being opposed to child grooming in school. "I thought this was only to be used against the Evil Demon Putin and all things Russia related! You can't do this to me!"

So over the top paranoia is why you would rather defend the outright Russian influence agents because... what, because that gives you a decent chance of fulfilling it? Or do you think Russia will come to save you? You think Russia will come to save you? Hahaha, they care about you less than they care about their penal battalions.
Why don't you take your crazy talk to its logical conclusion and start defending jihadis and looters like the leftists do on the basis of the same logic.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I don't react with you frequently enough to have a strong opinion. I vaguely remember arguing with you on some subjects, but you didn't leave the sheer depth of impression that History 'Learner' did.

well, sometimes that isn't a bad thing.

 

[mrttao]

So over the top paranoia

... you actually believe it.
you actually believe I am paranoid and that the woke cultists don't want you in prison for opposing child grooming.

it isn't paranoia, it is fact. look around you and see what they are doing.

 

[LordsFire]

... you actually believe it.
you actually believe I am paranoid and that the woke cultists don't want you in prison for opposing child grooming.

it isn't paranoia, it is fact. look around you and see what they are doing.

You are conflating him saying 'Foreign agents should be treated as foreign agents' with 'I want to give more power to leftist lunatics.'

Stop it.

 

[mrttao]

You are conflating him saying 'Foreign agents should be treated as foreign agents' with 'I want to give more power to leftist lunatics.'

Stop it.

I am not conflating anything.

I absolutely get that he FANTASIZES about a world where giving usa govt more power, specifically in abrogate american citizen freedom... will only get used the way they say it would be, to stop actual traitors.

He is beyond naïve to think they will be. They will be used on him instead.
To this government, he is the #1 enemy.

He could have refuted me by saying "I didn't say that".
But instead he doubled down by calling me paranoid. Dismissing my warning.
This dismissal as paranoia absolutely proves he is actually that naive

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Why you want to make imperialism easier?

If push comes to shove, imperialism by the major nuclear powers is infinitely better than every single two-bit nation throwing around nuclear weapons. We already have one North Korea; we do not need a world full of them.

 

[Marduk]

... you actually believe it.
you actually believe I am paranoid and that the woke cultists don't want you in prison for opposing child grooming.

it isn't paranoia, it is fact. look around you and see what they are doing.

I am not conflating anything.

I absolutely get that he FANTASIZES about a world where giving usa govt more power, specifically in abrogate american citizen freedom... will only get used the way they say it would be, to stop actual traitors.

He is beyond naïve to think they will be. They will be used on him instead.
To this government, he is the #1 enemy.

He could have refuted me by saying "I didn't say that".
But instead he doubled down by calling me PARANOID. Dismissing my warning.
This dismissal as paranoia absolutely proves he is actually that naive

What woke cultists fantasize about and what US govt will do are two separate things, and your incoherent ramblings mixing these two are not something i will trawl for something to give you approval for, sorry, i don't feel like giving you any at all.

Consider yourself not merely dismissed, but viciously mocked and laughed out, for mindlessly recycling the shallow arguments of Bush and Trump era leftists. If their warnings turned out to be true... we wouldn't be talking about leftists, antifa, blm or any of that at all because they would be all in FEMA camps or something.

And again, i repeat the question, will you extend this argument to agents of all the anti-western factions, including the middle eastern ones, or is it a special deal for the Russian one?

 

[Agent23]

Thanks for the little investigative exercise, it was easy - of course by regular programming you meant certified Russia shilling, and i was not disappointed.

Alastair Crooke - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ex-diplomat who went into the business of shilling those who wouldn't be shilled for free or in more respectable and expensive manners. Mostly Hezbollah (he lives in Lebanon) but guess Putin and Assad got his shilling as a tie-in bonus with their Iran alliances.
He also writes a lot for a site that actually got itself sanctioned by USA for being a SVR psyop.

West hits Vladimir Putin’s fake news factories with wave of sanctions

UK and US crack down on websites peddling ‘false and misleading’ reports thought to be backed by Russian intelligence

www.theguardian.com

Andrew Napolitano - Wikipedia

Andrew Peter Napolitano[1] (born June 6, 1950) is an American syndicated columnist whose work appears in numerous publications, including The Washington Times and Reason. He was an analyst for Fox News, commenting on legal news and trials. Napolitano served as a New Jersey Superior Court judge from 1987 to 1995. He was a visiting professor at Brooklyn Law School. He has written nine books on legal and political subjects. During his twenty-four-year tenure as Fox News' Senior Judicial Analyst, Napolitano appeared more than 14,500 times on air, a record for any on-air personality at the network

Keep on calling everything you disagree with a Russian troll, no one is impressed anymore, amused maybe, but not impressed.
The most hilarious thing here is thet you are using a libtard rag like the Guardian which is commie anti-Brexit woke shit par excellence.
If you did not have double standards you would not have any standards.

 

[mrttao]

What woke cultists fantasize about and what US govt will do are two separate things,

We are not talking about woke cultist fantasy.
We are talking about YOUR fantasy.

You call it paranoia, you call it incoherent rambling...
But it is not. It is fact. We have seen again, and again, and again... that if you give the USA govt any power. it will be turned on patriots.

Your fantasy is that we should get "tougher anti traitor laws"... yea, those are gonna be used on you. because to them you are a "nazi"

 

[Marduk]

Andrew Napolitano - Wikipedia


Keep on calling everything you disagree with a Russian troll, no one is impressed anymore, amused maybe, but not impressed.

How does the show host's wiki counter the fact that the guest is a shill?
I've shown everyone why is he a Russian shill (and a Hezbollah shill living in Lebanon, what a coincidence), it's not *everything*, it's everything you spam here, which you have chosen specifically by the standard that it has to shill for and\or excuse Russia. If it was not, you would not be posting it. If you want me to stop everything you post Russian shilling, then start posting something that's not pro-Russian. If you can't, at least try not overtly pro-Russian with the talking head not being a known associate of Russian\allied media or some other leftist or otherwise geopolitically anti-western cause.

The most hilarious thing here is thet you are using a libtard rag like the Guardian which is commie anti-Brexit woke shit par excellence.
If you did not have double standards you would not have any standards.

The most hilarious thing here is that you are using a libtard mess like Google Youtube which is run by people who shill all the woke causes.
See, i can do your shitty arguments too, git gud.

We are not talking about woke cultist fantasy.
We are talking about YOUR fantasy.

You call it paranoia, you call it incoherent rambling...
But it is not. It is fact. We have seen again, and again, and again... that if you give the USA govt any power. it will be turned on patriots.

This thread is not about our fantasies, nor your crystal ball predictions.

Your fantasy is that we should get "tougher anti traitor laws"... yea, those are gonna be used on you. because to them you are a "nazi"

Of course if leftists wanted those laws they would have passed them... yet they don't.
If anything they are the ones who want you to tolerate traitors and enemy agents, especally openly with the far left and islamist ones.

 

[Agent23]

We are not talking about woke cultist fantasy.
We are talking about YOUR fantasy.

You call it paranoia, you call it incoherent rambling...
But it is not. It is fact. We have seen again, and again, and again... that if you give the USA govt any power. it will be turned on patriots.

Your fantasy is that we should get "tougher anti traitor laws"... yea, those are gonna be used on you. because to them you are a "nazi"

I would not go as far as calling him a nazi, authoritarian and jingoist - maybe.
Something of a hypocrite and a collectivist for demanding that others fulfill his desired and fantasies - yeah.
Sanctimonious - definitely.
Thinking himself and Poland special and they everyone must help them in a pig-headed crusade against Russia, sure.

But I have never seen him show sympathies towards the actual nazi party.

I can even sort of sympathize with him and with some of the AZOV Nazis, because I know what it means to have family robbed and repressed by the commies and your entire country repeatedly raped by that idiot pseudo religion.

Which makes me even more angry when the decided to call me a communist.

Inb4 he decides to call out conversation s Maoist Struggle Session.

 

[Blasterbot]

You are conflating him saying 'Foreign agents should be treated as foreign agents' with 'I want to give more power to leftist lunatics.'

Stop it.

they spent how long calling Trump and how many others Russian assets? No they will twist whatever gets passed into a terrible parody of what you think it was meant to be. they will call everyone who used to be a russian bot a russian agent. don't give them more power.

 

[Marduk]

they spent how long calling Trump and how many others Russian assets? No they will twist whatever gets passed into a terrible parody of what you think it was meant to be. they will call everyone who used to be a russian bot a russian agent. don't give them more power.

They did try to pin it on anyone because it does make one look bad., with some more cross-ideological appeal than the usual attack labels like homophobia. Out of all the possible reactions to democrat's more or less spurious accusations regarding one's relations with Russian government, "make the accusation true if it wasn't originally" is about the stupidest.

 

[King Arts]

If push comes to shove, imperialism by the major nuclear powers is infinitely better than every single two-bit nation throwing around nuclear weapons. We already have one North Korea; we do not need a world full of them.

What is wrong with stable nations having nukes to protect against invasion?

 

[Blasterbot]

They did try to pin it on anyone because it does make one look bad., with some more cross-ideological appeal than the usual attack labels like homophobia. Out of all the possible reactions to democrat's more or less spurious accusations regarding one's relations with Russian government, "make the accusation true if it wasn't originally" is about the stupidest.

that is a retarded way to take what I said. their accusations mean nothing because they are dishonest actors who will use any tactic to gain power. giving them any ability to apply penalties to their spurious accusations is a terrible idea because it will give them more ways to hurt others.

Edit: NY literally passed a law so people could civilly sue people over sexual assault charges. the next day some woman with 30 year old accusations writes a shitty rape fantasy fan fiction and brought it to court against Trump. The jury found he didn't rape her but was totally guilty of sexual assault so he has to pay her 5 million. don't give them more vectors to attack people. they won't use them honestly.

 

[Marduk]

that is a retarded way to take what I said. their accusations mean nothing because they are dishonest actors who will use any tactic to gain power. giving them any ability to apply penalties to their spurious accusations is a terrible idea because it will give them more ways to hurt others.

Edit: NY literally passed a law so people could civilly sue people over sexual assault charges. the next day some woman with 30 year old accusations writes a shitty rape fantasy fan fiction and brought it to court against Trump. The jury found he didn't rape her but was totally guilty of sexual assault so he has to pay her 5 million. don't give them more vectors to attack people. they won't use them honestly.

That is a good example - it doesn't matter one bit if you excuse open foreign influence agents or want the law to handle them, if leftists have the sufficient power to use that kind of law against you, then they also have the power to pass it in the convenient for it form and to invent a reason to use it against you like done here.
There is no "giving" them attack vectors, if they can use them, then they also have the power to make their own new ones on the spot, customized for their abuse, as demonstrated here.
The truly insane alternative option is "we have to tolerate jihadist recruiters and open foreign agents and defend them with all our political capital because leftists exist and so they will use any laws against the above against us" clown world policy.
Sorry, i don't remember deciding to be some kind of anarchist or idealistic international leftist to say that kind of bullshit. Screw traitors and jihadists, and leftists too.