Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[mrttao]

Lira is being treated far more humanely than the Russians have treated people accused of supporting Ukraine, or just not supporting the war 'deeply' enough.

Stupid fucker though continuing to play his game of supporting Russia as a streamer/propaganda agent, while living in Kharkiv was going to fly even after his first arrest and what amounted to being put on probation.

Those are some incredibly vague accusations that sound like thought crimes.
"Oh how dare he speak out against the party".

 

[King Arts]

Those are some incredibly vague accusations that sound like thought crimes.
"Oh how dare he speak out against the party".

Maybe doesen't change the fact that Bacle is right. Russians would arrest him for "thought crime" and the punishment would be worse.

You can't grand stand about the Ukranian's punishing wrong think yet be silent about the Russians.

Maybe Lira should be free to say what he wants. All that does is make it a battle between a lesser and greater evil and Russia is the greater.

 

[mspence]

So this is apparently going on:

Terrified Russian men are changing gender to avoid being sent to war in Ukraine

Russian President Vladimir Putin is finding less and less men want to join the army and are even taking some very drastic measures in order to avoid the deadly draft

www.dailystar.co.uk

 

[mrttao]

Maybe doesen't change the fact that Bacle is right. Russians would arrest him for "thought crime" and the punishment would be worse.

You can't grand stand about the Ukranian's punishing wrong think yet be silent about the Russians.

Whataboutism - Wikipedia

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Whataboutism or whataboutery (as in "what about…?") denotes in a pejorative sense a procedure in which a critical question or argument is not answered or discussed, but retorted with a critical counter-question which expresses a counter-accusation. From a logical and argumentative point of view it is considered a variant of the tu-quoque pattern (Latin 'you too', term for a counter-accusation), which is a subtype of the ad-hominem argument.[1][2][3][4]

The main issue is that this post by backle says, literally

a case study in the rule of law and democracy.

which is just laughable as it is literally about arresting people for disagreeing with the party.

I don't recall anyone here saying that Putin-land is a democracy or trying to claim that "putin arresting people who disagree with him is a shining example of democracy".

I assure you, that if someone did try to claim that Putin arresting people for disagreeing with him is a shining example of democracy, I would have called them out on their bullshit too.

 

[mrttao]

 

[Bigking321]

More like the US hasn't yet. I'm quite sure those on the left absolutely will when they get the chance.

 

[Bacle]

Those are some incredibly vague accusations that sound like thought crimes.
"Oh how dare he speak out against the party".

Dude is make Russian propaganda material in fucking Kharkiv, inside Ukraine, after having been previously arrested and warned by the SBU not to do this sort of shit, and has kept at the Russian propaganda BS.

Lira, a former online dating coach, was arrested on May 1 at his residence in Kharkiv, according to two sources familiar with the investigation. Ukrainian authorities claim that the search of his home revealed additional evidence of his unlawful activities, including data found on his cell phone and his computer.

Ukrainian authorities allege that Lira filmed Ukrainian soldiers, making a specific effort to capture their likeness and attempting to discredit their military service.

Lira fucked around and decided to act like a spy for a hostile power in a war zone, and found out that people don't play that shit.

 

[Husky_Khan]

The War is Spreading.



Looks like Ukraine won this Skirmish as well.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Whataboutism - Wikipedia

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"Ukrainian gunned down and kneecapped POW's!"

"Russians just raped, tortured and killed dozens if not hundreds of men, women and children in like every city that's been liberated and you didn't post about that. Both are evil but the Russians actions are a greater evil. .""

"Durrr... Whataboutism."

I love how it's "Whataboutism" in when you compare Russia to Ukraine in a War between Russia and Ukraine. The definition isn't even apt. King Arts literally stated one was a greater evil and the other a lesser evil for similar offense and the response is "Whataboutism." He just admitted Ukraine's actions regarding Gonzalo is a potential lesser evil.

 

[Zachowon]

Because we have a right to free speech and she should have been tried for treason.
Fun fact, the Ukrainians can treat him as a spy if they truly wanted too

 

[mrttao]

"Ukrainian gunned down and kneecapped POW's!"

"Russians just raped, tortured and killed dozens if not hundreds of men, women and children in like every city that's been liberated and you didn't post about that. Both are evil but the Russians actions are a greater evil. .""

"Durrr... Whataboutism."

I love how it's "Whataboutism" in when you compare Russia to Ukraine in a War between Russia and Ukraine. The definition isn't even apt. King Arts literally stated one was a greater evil and the other a lesser evil for similar offense and the response is "Whataboutism." He just admitted Ukraine's actions regarding Gonzalo is a potential lesser evil.

> Doubling down this hard
I cannot facepalm enough.

You have reading comprehension deficiency.
I did not compare Russia to Ukraine.
I compared Ukraine to USA.

Specifically and explicitly as a response to the explicit claim that Ukraine arresting anyone who speaks against the party line is "a shining example of democracy"

You are engaging in a textbook whataboutism.
In that you refuse to address what I said, and instead start with ad hominem attacks of "you are a bad person who is in favor of russians raping children".

I didn't "post about that" because I was not replying to that, I was replying specifically to backle posting an article that made a laughably stupid argument.

 

[mrttao]

Because we have a right to free speech

Which is the cornerstone of democracy.

Instead of making retard argument of "banning free speech is a shining example of democracy".

Try starting out with ya'lls moved goal posts. If you guys started out with "Ukraine is the lesser evil as it give lighter punishments to those who speak against the government" you would have more to stand on.

But no, you guys both started with the retarded argument that "banning free speech is a shining example of democracy". Then went full ad hominem against anyone who disagreed with the retarded statement.

Going as far as husky khan's "you are in favor of mass rape because you replied to X"

 

[King Arts]

Which is the cornerstone of democracy.

Instead of making retard argument of "banning free speech is a shining example of democracy".

Try starting out with ya'lls moved goal posts. If you guys started out with "Ukraine is the lesser evil as it give lighter punishments to those who speak against the government" you would have more to stand on.

But no, you guys both started with the retarded argument that "banning free speech is a shining example of democracy". Then went full ad hominem against anyone who disagreed with the retarded statement.

Going as far as husky khan's "you are in favor of mass rape because you replied to X"

Husky did not say you were pro mass rape don't put words in his mouth.

 

[Husky_Khan]

> Doubling down this hard
I cannot facepalm enough.

You have reading comprehension deficiency.
I did not compare Russia to Ukraine.
I compared Ukraine to USA.

You didn't mention the United States once in the post I was quoting you nonce. You brought up Russia.

Whataboutism - Wikipedia

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The main issue is that this post by backle says, literally

which is just laughable as it is literally about arresting people for disagreeing with the party.

I don't recall anyone here saying that Putin-land is a democracy or trying to claim that "putin arresting people who disagree with him is a shining example of democracy".

I assure you, that if someone did try to claim that Putin arresting people for disagreeing with him is a shining example of democracy, I would have called them out on their bullshit too.

Yep... you didn't mention the USA once. Weird... Only Russia. And Whataboutism.

And Bacle and King Arts, the people you responded to, compared Russia to Ukraine. No one gives a shit about your false premise. If your going to post Spacebattles style and whine about Whataboutism like your violating some SB NFSD rule, then don't set up bad faith strawmen you can knock down.

Why compare to the US? Why not Switzerland? Or New Zealand. Or Libya. If we're just going to arbitrarily compare Ukraine to any country we want. And yet your throwing up definitions of Whataboutism when you're literally bringing up whatever random countries to compare Ukraine to.

Going as far as husky khan's "you are in favor of mass rape because you replied to X"

😂🤣🤣🤣😂 *rolls away*

 

[mrttao]

You didn't mention the United States once in the post I was quoting you nonce. You brought up Russia.

1. facepalm. try again

2. I brought up putin to explicitly say he is worse than ukraine on that issue.
Total reading fail

Husky did not say you were pro mass rape don't put words in his mouth.

So what prey tell is he saying here.

"Ukrainian gunned down and kneecapped POW's!"

"Russians just raped, tortured and killed dozens if not hundreds of men, women and children in like every city that's been liberated and you didn't post about that. Both are evil but the Russians actions are a greater evil. .""

"Durrr... Whataboutism."

I love how it's "Whataboutism" in when you compare Russia to Ukraine in a War between Russia and Ukraine.

Please, I am waiting to see how you spin it as him not accusing me of tacitly approving of mass rape. because I had the gall to reply to the claims of "shining beacon of democracy" instead of posting "yep, ukraine is shining beacon of democracy because muh russian mass rapes"

(claims I am dubious about considering they were caught lying before about the whole "putin issues soldiers viagra so they can rape more" debackle.)

 

[Marduk]

Those are some incredibly vague accusations that sound like thought crimes.
"Oh how dare he speak out against the party".

Which is the cornerstone of democracy.

Instead of making retard argument of "banning free speech is a shining example of democracy".

Try starting out with ya'lls moved goal posts. If you guys started out with "Ukraine is the lesser evil as it give lighter punishments to those who speak against the government" you would have more to stand on.

But no, you guys both started with the retarded argument that "banning free speech is a shining example of democracy". Then went full ad hominem against anyone who disagreed with the retarded statement.

Going as far as husky khan's "you are in favor of mass rape because you replied to X"

What is this cucked leftist shit?
Do you ISIL islamist propagandists to be free to operate in western countries too?
If you support a country that is in process of invading yours, well, only most cucked countries in existence would consider protecting that as free speech, it's war, not some bullshit.
Here's what the founder era USA did with people like that:

Loyalist | Definition & Facts

Loyalist (Tory), a colonist loyal to Great Britain during the American Revolution. Loyalists constituted about one-third of the population of the American colonies during that conflict. They were not confined to any particular group or class. Learn more about loyalists here.

www.britannica.com

The loyalists did not rise as a body to support the British army, but individuals did join the army or form their own guerrilla units. New York alone furnished about 23,000 loyalist troops, perhaps as many as all the other colonies combined. The loyalist fighters aroused a vengeful hatred among the patriots (as the American Revolutionaries called themselves), and when taken in battle they were treated as traitors. George Washington detested them, saying as early as 1776 that "they were even higher and more insulting in their opposition than the regulars."

Congress recommended repressive measures against the loyalists, and all states passed severe laws against them, usually forbidding them from holding office, disenfranchising them, and confiscating or heavily taxing their property. Beginning in March 1776, approximately 100,000 loyalists fled into exile. (This was between 3 and 4 percent of the total number of settlers in the colonies, which is estimated at 2,500,000–3,000,000 during the Revolutionary period.) The largest portion of those who fled ultimately went to Canada, where the British government provided them with asylum and offered some compensation for losses in property and income; those who met certain criteria (based, in part, on when they left America and their contribution to the British war effort) were known as United Empire Loyalists in Canada. Public sentiment in the United States against the loyalists died down significantly after government began under the new U.S. Constitution in 1789. In fact, one member of the Constitutional Convention, William Johnson of Connecticut, had been a loyalist. The remaining state laws against them were repealed after the War of 1812.

 

[mrttao]

like your violating some SB NFSD rule, then don't set up bad faith strawmen you can knock down.

I don't care about spacebattle bullshit rules.
You made bullshit bad faith arguments, specifically a whataboutism. which is universally acknowledged as bad faith argument method.

Whataboutism - Wikipedia

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Whataboutism - Conservapedia

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Whataboutism

Whataboutism (also known as Whataboutery especially in the UK) is a deflection or red herring version of the classic tu quoque logical fallacy — sometimes implementing the balance fallacy as well — which is employed as a propaganda technique. It is used as a diversionary tactic to shift the...

rationalwiki.org

What about 'whataboutism'?

If everyone is guilty of something, is no one guilty of anything?

www.merriam-webster.com

Literally everyone on every side of politicks calls whataboutism a bullshit argument. Although they always complain about when the other guy is doing it.

As for me setting up a bad faith strawman... the fuck are you even smoking

 

[Husky_Khan]

1. facepalm. try again


2. I brought up putin to explicitly say he is worse than ukraine on that issue.
Total reading fail

Incorrect. I quoted this post in regards to Whataboutism and stating that King Arts and Bacle were stating that Russia is worse then Ukraine and bringing up Whataboutism was retarded in my response.

You responded that you were comparing the USA to Ukraine.

I stated you never mentioned USA.

Now you respond that you brought up that Russia is worse then Ukraine on this issue which was already established by the two individuals you were responding to. So why are you bringing up Whataboutism then?

I believe that not only are you engaging in Whataboutism, and false dilemmas... but also moving the goalposts. Sad.

So what prey tell is he saying here.

Please, I am waiting to see how you spin it as him not accusing me of tacitly approving of mass rape. because I had the gall to reply to the claims of "shining beacon of democracy" instead of posting "yep, ukraine is shining beacon of democracy because muh russian mass rapes"

> Doubling down this hard
I cannot facepalm enough.

You have reading comprehension deficiency.
I'm making an absurd example because I was wondering how absurd you were.
The fact it's so absurd that your still offended by it is hilarious.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Whataboutism - Wikipedia

Whataboutism or whataboutery (as in "what about…?") denotes in a pejorative sense a procedure in which a critical question or argument is not answered or discussed, but retorted with a critical counter-question which expresses a counter-accusation. From a logical and argumentative point of view it is considered a variant of the tu-quoque pattern (Latin 'you too', term for a counter-accusation), which is a subtype of the ad-hominem argument.[1][2][3][4]

 

[Husky_Khan]

I don't care about spacebattle bullshit rules.
You made bullshit bad faith arguments, specifically a whataboutism. which is universally acknowledged as bad faith argument method.

As for me setting up a bad faith strawman... the fuck are you even smoking

> Doubling down this hard
I cannot facepalm enough.

You have reading comprehension deficiency.

I don't care about spacebattle bullshit rules.

You made bullshit bad faith arguments, specifically a whataboutism. which is universally acknowledged as bad faith argument method.

As for me setting up a bad faith strawman... the fuck are you even smoking

Wow shitposting as @mrttao is easy asf. 😆