And here you have it, Turkey is a nicer neighbor to you now than Russia is to Ukraine, let that sink in. Not even trying to throw its weight around in your politics using their minority in your country.
Actually we are nicer neighbors than the Ukrainians.
We are too lazy to do warcrimes like the other Balkan countries, we are the only country that saved its jewish population from the Holocaust, and we took in lots of Armenians after that genocide attempt, so the closest we got to it was the botched commie
revival process that tried to forcibly assimilate the Turks and other minorities, but that actually had the opposite effect and did some really stupid and disgusting shit, like literally forcing people to go to the graves of their dead relatives and pick new names for them.
In any case, we could not make them assimilate or go away, so we had peace and they got their language rights.
And Russia is a far larger and more powerful country than Turkey with a far stronger claim to those lands than Turkey has ever had to ours, we weren't even ever part of Turkey proper, but the Ottoman empire.
But you do raise an interesting point, if those eastern Ukrainians feel so Russian so much and they are so oppressed that it justifies Russian imperialism, why didn't they take a lesson from your Turks and fuck off to Russia? If fucking off is good enough for Turks, why isn't it good enough for Russians?
Bulgaria and Bulgarians existed far longer than Turkey/the ottomans, so we have a historic claim to the land as well as the claim of actually inhabiting it.
Ukraine is a brand new invention that began as a separate identity after WWI, with Eastern Ukraine and Crimea being forcibly added to the Ukrainian SSR by Lenin, Stalin and Khruschev.
You know, people you Poles love oh so much.
Neither do i, but if they are patriots and fight for their country, they are good for something.
So, you are endorsing neo-Nazi drug addict thugs and criminals in one sentence, then bitching about corruption, mkay.
Love how all Russian propagandists obviously favor weak governments in countries hostile to Russia (and then berate them for not being weak enough if they do anything to oppose Russian lobbies) and strong governments in Russia and allied countries.
Sorry, but Ukraine is not Russia, and Russian influence ops are responsible for a good chunk of corruption there to begin with, and please, spare me the muh nazi narrative that is so boringly common among Russian propagandists around here, at least invent something new. Your kind calls both us and Ukrainians nazis, so i guess we're in one camp here.
>Supports drug running ultras.
>Bitches and moans about weak governments.
Fine, do decommunisation of the silovki like Poland did, then i'll believe it.
But mysteriously those totally ideological ruling elites of Soviet Union morphed into totally different ruling elites of Russian Federation, so i don't believe it.
A lot has changed in Russia since the USSR fell, and Putin has gone out of his way to shittalk idiots like Lenin for fucking up everything, he is also rather fond of quoting Milton Friedman.
Decommunization will happen in a few decades, when the boomers die out.
Or are you going to argue to me that this ideologically driven Soviet Union filled the KGB with anti-communists to begin with?
So either they weren't very ideological to begin with, or it's still similar ideology.
And i gave you two links, you know, those green colored pieces of text, including a state report, learn to read, like a child.
Oh, those?
So a list of grievances that were:
1. Disputes about pricing and transit fees and the like.
2. The baltics bitching about Russia not wanting to use them as a transit point for oil and other commodities, all the while they are hating on the Russians and harassing their Russian minorities.
3. Something about Gerogia and Sarkashvili.
Yeah, sure, I am certain that all impacted Poland.
As to the official document on your governmnet website, well let me quote it:
The year 2020 was marked by intense information warfare activities against the image and the interests of Poland. The Polish intelligence services attributed these attempts to both state and non-state actors.
The following are the main weaponized narratives used against the interests of Poland in 2020.
● Russia stepped up its ongoing, repeated propaganda and disinformation efforts that involve:
- smearing Warsaw on the international arena;
Oh, my, when somebody backs coups in their allied countries and supports the Banderites in Ukraine shelling ethnic Russians the evil Muskals have the gall to say bad things about them.
- undermining Poland’s relations with neighboring countries and partners;
Yeah, this is a claim, no details.Perhaps whatever ministry wrote that has no idea what diplomacy is, see point 1.
- destabilizing Poland’s military cooperation within NATO;
Oh, really...so another claim without specifics, sure.
- stirring up hostilities between Poland and the U.S.;
Yeah, OK, sure.
- attacking the Polish energy policy;
I am attacking the Polosh energy policy because somehow despite having the GDP PPP equivalent to the UK you cna't into nuclear.And coal is not the be all end all of power generation, as we have discussed before.
- ridiculing and downgrading the Polish Armed Forces;
Yeah, ok, so trolling...
- labelling Poland as being steeped in anti-Russian sentiment;
Um, yeah, given what some of your leaders have said recently, and what you Poles on here love to say....
- blaming Poland for the decline in the relations between Russia and the West.
You have been some of the most ardent guilt trippers out there, whenever someone tries to be diplomatic with the Russians or ditch the clusterfuck that is Ukraine you screech like there is no tomorrow.
● On top of the narratives in “everyday use”, last year Russia heavily exploited the issue of the COVID-19 pandemic.
- The Kremlin used the global disease to force the West to condone Russia’s violence against Ukraine. Moscow spread a message that in view of COVID-19 and the resulting global recession, the West and Russia must get on with each other and resume cooperation “on normal grounds.” By this Russia meant the lifting of sanctions rightfully imposed by western countries in response to the annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea and the occupation of Donbass that followed.
The sanctions certainly contributed to the massive inflation and to the outflow of industry from Europe.
And my view of Ukraine can be summed up as 'let them take care of their own problems that they created themselves'
- The special services of Poland reported an increased propaganda and disinformation activity from eastern direction targeted against last year’s military drills hosted by Poland – the DEFENDER-Europe 20 (and related exercises) and TUMAK-20. Russian propaganda would suggest that the joint exercises increased the risk of contracting COVID-19 by local communities in Poland. It would go on to say that even faced with the pandemic, NATO could not help itself to provoke Russia. Western decision-makers were also accused of playing with the lives of the troops and personnel taking part in the drills. There were also attempts to depict the Polish Army as paralyzed and immobilized by the scale of the outbreak.
Remind me, what did the USA do with that weather balloon?
Lol, everything below is basically nasty grumbling between relatives/neighbors feuding:
● As in the previous years, last year Russia also made significant efforts to falsify history with the aim to:
- whitewash its own past and make the world believe the Soviet Union had no dark sides whatsoever;
Oh, look, one point I can agree on, the Russians do think that the USSR was good.
- accuse (as usual) the prewar Polish government and society of anti-Semitism and collaborationism;
Every country has some collaborators and anti-Semites, I fail to see how this is relevant.
- blame Poland for the outbreak of WWII;
I mean, your diplomacy was basically boiled down to make huge polish sphere of influence and piss off all our neighbors, but WWI was inevitable because there was no real European balance of power and because the USSR was both excluded and self-excluded itself from any new Europe-wide security arrangement.
You can blame Woodrow Wilson.
- stigmatize the Poles as being “ungrateful” to the Red Army for having “liberated” the country from the German occupation;
I mean, they did get around to yeeting the nazis out and a lot of them died in it, but they also left you without cover during the Warsaw uprising.
And Stalin helped Hitler to begin with.
- accuse the contemporary Polish society of lack of respect for the burial sites of the Soviet soldiers, and an unjustified, historically motivated hostility to Russia;
You guys are pretty hostile towards the Russians, that is not a lie.
Did you demolish red army monuments or something?
- additionally, last year Russia revived a long-unseen Soviet-era narrative according to which it was Germans who carried out the Katyn Massacre – the Soviet mass killing of 22 thousand Polish military officers and members of the country’s elite in 1940.
Ok, this is a no-no if true, but it annoys me that the Russians won't own up to the fact that the USSR did some profoundly stupid and nasty shit, too.
● Poland was also targeted by Belarusian and Russian propaganda - the regime in Minsk and the Kremlin launched a campaign aimed to smear Poland in the eyes of the Belarusians.
You mean after you tried to do a color revolution there?
- both States suggested that Warsaw was inciting and controlling the opposition-led protests in Belarus that had erupted after the much-contested presidential election;
Yeah, you are trying to regime change Lukashenko, along with NATO/the USA/the EU.
You need to own that one up.
- Minsk’s and Moscow’s propaganda pushed a narrative that Poland was only waiting for a good moment to seize a part of the territory of Belarus;
I would not be surprised if that is something you'd try and pull off given that there is some small minority of Poles there.
These joint Russian-Belarusian information warfare efforts against Poland continue in 2021.
● In 2020, anti-vaccination and anti-5G movements redoubled their activity. Encouraged by the pandemic, they stepped up their disinformation efforts:
- “anti-vaxxers” spread a narrative that the anti-COVID-19 vaccine was more dangerous than the disease itself;
- some narratives claimed the vaccination programme served to surveil the whole societies or exterminate the entire populations of healthy subjects;
Yeah, I think we kinda-sorta have a thread about the vaxx on here, and all its side effects, if they wanted to damage you they'd propagandize for it.
We had our government attack our own anti-vaxxers in the same way.
- anti-5G groups exploited the same concerns and pushed similar narratives, stressing the hazards to human life caused by this technology.
The agendas of both movements were amplified by the same entities and channels of communication that usually identify with or pick up the narratives promoted by the Kremlin.
Overpriced boondoggle.
That's not even an ad hominem you fucking clown, this is an ad hominem.
Yeah, sure, says the guy that smeared me as a Putin Shill/Commie the first time we ever interacted.
Sorry but i don't spam this thread with loads of not even disguised, out of context "muh poor Russians" propaganda from very obviously propagandist account called "Ukraine exposed" on telegram made 2 months after the war began, so stick those baseless accusations of yours you know where.
Yeah, sure, the Ukrainians are saints that can't do wrong and the evil Muskals have to get exterminated, as brought to you by Ghost of KIIV press.
Indeed, it's not particularly respected here.
Guess your job is to spam pro-NAFO stuff, then.
To quote a Polish meme, famine, cold and nuclear war are a small price to pay for Russia's destruction.
You could say this is a joke, the problem is that this is the current state of mind of many Poles, yes there is a vociferous group opposing it but on Twitter and strangely supported by Russian bots.
So no, we in fact right now are just looking very focused on one goal, to break Russia.
And the price? The price is of little importance. Disasters do happen.
Yeah, ok, joke...
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