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mrttao

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Then how would the Soviet Union killing off a quarter of it's population make the survivors "evil"?
citation needed on me saying that too.

1. Most people are neutral. neither evil nor good.

2. there is no "evil gene" or "good gene".
Evil and Good being real does not mean they are simple. they arise from very complex interactions between nature and nurture.
For example, a genetic predisposition towards altruism can make you good, but it can also make you evil. depending on how that altruism manifests. Too much, too little, or applies incorrectly can results in different states.
Altruism is not a simple single gene either, but is still vastly simpler than good/evil.

3. I said that communists slaughters are not indiscriminate. They specifically target various groups for slaughter. Those groups include: good people, altruists, and kind people. Those are 3 different categories
And I said that this act of targeted genocide causes very long term to possibly permanent damage to the gene pool and/or society.
Not that "everyone that remains is now evil".
 
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mrttao

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The only way a genocide can remove traits in a population is with selective breeding. You have a woman pop out kids then you see which kids have traits you hate you prevent those kids from breeding and the kids whose bad traits are not as bad as their purged siblings you let them breed. Repeat again and again. Eventually those traits are gone and you’ve selected new traits. Just killing half the kids like a retard does nothing.
Selective breeding means:
"By order of the government. John must impregnate alice, janet, and shaniqua."
or in an animal
"This is an award winning horse of good pedigree. I am going to stud it with these 3 fillies whose bloodline I know and can track."

Selective breeding does not mean "shoot with a gun persons who fit category X"

A predator (like the govt) killing everyone with trait X is a form of natural selection, or maybe artificial selection of said predator is a human doing it on purpose. But natural/artificial selection != selective breeding.

You also specifically and explicitly argued that selective breeding must involve incest. Even when it is something like "the government shoots every person who is X in an entire continent".

Having your brother shot, does not make you suddenly develop a hunkering to having sex with your sister.
 
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ATP

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I disagree.

With the exception of Russia, every European country that was ever Communist is now less Communist that every Western country that never was Communist. Poland e.g. has had experience with Communism that it doesn't want to repeat.

As for the Western world, it wasn't just "in recent years", unless you are like me and consider "recent years" to be anything post-1900. Germany was basically Communist since Chancellor Bismarck. France had been a well of bad ideas since 15th century at the latest. Rest of the West let the Communists infiltrate them in 1960s and they are now running the show, under a different name ("liberals", "progressives", "human rights activists", and so on).
Right about germans,and i hope that you are right about Poland - but remember,that at least 25% of our population are sovek.

I wouldn't say Russia is especially more communist, I'm sure there are some who idoloze the Soviet Unions policies. But I'd say that most Russians don't like the soviet union internal policies. But they like the empire. The soviet union was basically a Russian Empire. Is it morally wrong yes empire is, but it's not some horrible thing civilized nations don't engage it. Look at how many British people suck off and go goo goo for the British Empire. I'm sure Indians, Africans, and Chinese hate that as much as Eastern Euros do when Russians suck off the Russian empire.
Wrong.Soviets genocided at least 10% of russians,and turned almost all of others ijto soveks.
Brits genocided others,for example Boers,but not their own people.

That is difference between commies and normal empires - commies genocide more,and mostly their own people.

@AmosTrask ,Trump gave Poland support in 2017,so he would not widraw from NATO.Sending less to Ukraine is possible,but in reality he probably send the same as Demorats,but without counting old stuff as if it was made now.
 
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So Russia's National Republican Army is claiming responsibility for the killing of the pro-invasion blogger/media personality in St. Petersburg.
 

ATP

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So Russia's National Republican Army is claiming responsibility for the killing of the pro-invasion blogger/media personality in St. Petersburg.

Maybe.Dugina ,killed dude friend,was murdered by kgb.
And Ukraina claimed many things.
 

AmosTrask

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Well, Putin went full Joseph Stalin. They just issued their own Order 227 to the troops. Given the number of Russian soldiers pleading on Telegram its no longer just a rumor or just certain units receiving it. Memos have been issued to all troops on the front with Soviet style bombast extolling Russian might and for the soldiers not to retreat.

The Duma just approved indefinite conscription and Stop-Loss under the euphemism of Peacekeeper duties. :ROFLMAO:
 

Cherico

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Well, Putin went full Joseph Stalin. They just issued their own Order 227 to the troops. Given the number of Russian soldiers pleading on Telegram its no longer just a rumor or just certain units receiving it. Memos have been issued to all troops on the front with Soviet style bombast extolling Russian might and for the soldiers not to retreat.

The Duma just approved indefinite conscription and Stop-Loss under the euphemism of Peacekeeper duties. :ROFLMAO:

Honestly surprised their doing as badly as they are still the next two months will be critical.
 

Buba

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What is the war doing to Russia's already terrible demographics?
I'd expect that nothing much out of the ordinary - DIA to date is comparable - if not lower - than ordinary annual deaths related to alcohol. And I would expect an overlap between the two demographics ...
 

King Arts

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I’m not going to make a moral judgment one way or another. But just letting you know Agent don’t be surprised if this results in people calling Russia and your side savage barbarians. After all very few nations outside of Saudi Arabia do public executions.
 

Agent23

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I’m not going to make a moral judgment one way or another. But just letting you know Agent don’t be surprised if this results in people calling Russia and your side savage barbarians. After all very few nations outside of Saudi Arabia do public executions.
Remind me, who was cheering when Osama bin Laden got murdered?

I know you are a mindless, shallow white knight, and now we can add hypocrite to that list.

Bitch was a terrorist, she blew up a person in the middle of a public venue full of civilians, with the help of people who are fighting a war with her country, a country that she can easily leave, since her husband did the same.

Just shoot her, like all murderous terrorists and traitors.
 

King Arts

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Remind me, who was cheering when Osama bin Laden got murdered?

I know you are a mindless, shallow white knight, and now we can add hypocrite to that list.

Bitch was a terrorist, she blew up a person in the middle of a public venue full of civilians, with the help of people who are fighting a war with her country, a country that she can easily leave, since her husband did the same.

Just shoot her, like all murderous terrorists and traitors.
I said I was neutral but since you insulted me I have to respond. Listen you stupid vatnick. The comparison between this chick and Osama doesn’t apply. Osama was killed in a special forces raid. They did not capture him alive parade him through Times Square then hang him in public.

Your fantasy boyfriend said he wanted to chain her up and parade her through red square like a Roman Triumph and then kill her in public. You can think the west are too soft and public executions need to be brought back, and I won’t judge. But at least learn to fucking read.
 
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Agent23

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I said I was neutral but since you insulted me I have to respond. Listen you stupid vatnick. The comparison between this chick and Osama doesn’t apply. Osama was killed in a special forces raid. They did not capture him alive parade him through Times Square then hang him in public.
Yeah, and I distinctly remember some people thinking Obama should just plop bin Laden's severed head in front of the cameras at a press conference.
And let us not forget your other NAFO buddies who think that anyone critical of the current Polish government and its stance on the war should be killed or put into GULAGs.

Also, I am pretty sure you were the sanctimonious prick who decided to sperg and ree and insult me before by lying that I had investments in Russia.

Great job proving you are just as big a shit as before.
Your fantasy boyfriend said he wanted to chain her up and parade her through red square like a Roman Triumph and then kill her in public. You can think the west are too soft and public executions need to be brought back, and I won’t judge. But at least learn to fucking read.
Terrorist killed a person who was no longer part of the active military operation, with a bomb, in a public place filled with civilians, that same person consorted with the enemy, which adds treason on top of the terrorism changes.

The same people who




The vegan hipster bitch deserves to be executed publicly, via electric chair.

You are just a pathetic white knight sperger SJW classic and a useful idiot.
 

King Arts

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Yeah, and I distinctly remember some people thinking Obama should just plop bin Laden's severed head in front of the cameras at a press conference.
Ok did that actually happen? Who here can you point to that advocated keeping up the bodies of terrorists in public as a grisly reminder?

Also I was not even criticizing the prooosed policy merely stating others would and that western nations don’t do that.

But you can’t stop licking Russian ass long enough that everyone else has to virtue signal with you about how Russia is great. Even those that merely bring up that others will say something aren’t drinking your kool aid.
Also, I am pretty sure you were the sanctimonious prick who decided to sperg and ree and insult me before by lying that I had investments in Russia.

Great job proving you are just as big a shit as before.
Please show a source on where I insulted you in this conversation first and said you had investments in Russia. Though now that you bring it up I do remember you said that you did have investments when you were fighting with either @Marduk or @Bacle im 60 percent sure you said you were angry at sanctions because trade went down and you invested in that trade.

Terrorist killed a person who was no longer part of the active military operation, with a bomb, in a public place filled with civilians, that same person consorted with the enemy, which adds treason on top of the terrorism changes.
This is you virtue signaling I don’t care how bad your boo boo terrorist bomber is. I never made a post justifying her shit so why do you feel the need to condemn it?

The vegan hipster bitch deserves to be executed publicly, via electric chair.

You are just a pathetic white knight sperger SJW classic and a useful idiot.
This is just pointless vatnick insults. I’m a white knight sjw and useful idiot. Explain how I am any of those I swear you are worse than a vatnick you have the intellect of a gypsy.
 

mrttao

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ah yes. wanting to see a terrorist who killed a bunch of civilian bystanders while trying to assassinate their target is "vatnik" now.
the sheer hypocrisy of some people.

also, the castrated western nations kvetch about any execution no matter how well deserved. they see it as barbaric because they are brainless idiots.

When trump signed the order to go ahead with the execution of a monster who raped and then beat to death his own 6 year old daughter.
They all reeed and wrote articles about how barbaric and savage it is to execute the scumbag. also racist because he was black, they shouted BLM BLM... never-mind that his 6 year old daughter was also black and her life should matter too.
 

King Arts

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ah yes. wanting to see a terrorist who killed a bunch of civilian bystanders while trying to assassinate their target is "vatnik" now.
the sheer hypocrisy of some people.

also, the castrated western nations kvetch about any execution no matter how well deserved. they see it as barbaric because they are brainless idiots.

When trump signed the order to go ahead with the execution of a monster who raped and then beat to death his own 6 year old daughter.
They all reeed and wrote articles about how barbaric and savage it is to execute the scumbag. also racist because he was black, they shouted BLM BLM... never-mind that his 6 year old daughter was also black and her life should matter too.
Notice how my first post I did not say wanting public executions were wrong. I simply said that the west would call that barbaric. I did not say it actually was barbaric. If you think public executions should be brought back ok. I called Agent a vatnick because he brought in a bunch of insults to me that don't apply. I literally said I was neutral in this whole public execution thing, merely that western nations don't do that anymore the only nation I know of that has judicial public executions is Saudi Araba.(As opposed to non judicial executions aka accidents or North Korea killing off those disloyal to the Kim's.)

Also your other argument is also off topic this is about public executions not executions in general.
 
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