Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[Marduk]

Yeah, how many kilotons?

Oh, yeah, right, they were probably sub-kiloton.

Speed-wise, I doubt they would have been able to contend with something built to intercept ICBMs.

And we all know the Eternal Bronekokoshka will say and do anything to push his side of the argument across so...

That's the best you can do? Namecalling? You can't even be bothered to google shit before saying shit anymore.

RIM-2 Terrier - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

RIM-8 Talos - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1 and 5 kilotons respectively. And wtf do you mean by " contend with something built to intercept ICBMs"? In the 50's and 60's? What? Flying saucers?

Yes, i will insist on pushing my side of the argument, also known as the anti-nonsense side, because made up nonsense is all you have come up with so far.

 

[Bacle]

I got to wonder what @Agent23 thinks about the repeated Russian linked sabotage in his nation, that has blown up ammo stock piles going back even before February of last year.

Top investigative journalist warns of Russian sabotage in Bulgaria

Christo Grozev says there is a danger of Russian sabotage efforts against Bulgaria's military sector. He describes how Russian agents work.

insightnews.media

I guess being a vatnik means he's probaby ok with Russia destroying shit and killing people on his nation's soil.

 

[Buba]

Just general advice to please refrain from FedPosting on our Website. It's not against the rules per se, but it certainly is poor form.

Unless your a Fed of course.

Had to google for "fedpost" ...
Made me recall that piece of Olde Wisdom -
"the internet - where men are men, the women are also men, and the children are the FBI"
Will try to refrain, BTW

 

[Agent23]

Judging by the prominent presence of "pro pervert" livery I take it that "mas Euros por la vida" is NOT an expression of "pro life" sentiments?
Just shoot the fuckers ... IQ will go up, up and AWAY!

Tradcucks and neocucks to the Right of me, Libtards, plain old cucks and soyfaces and commies to the left of me, and a lot on the right like rags like the Guardian, Buzzfeed, etc.(With atlancticist neolibs on both sides being just as loud)
Volleyed and thundered, and reed.
And I hoped that they go at each other or get a Russian canonball in the face...

Cookie for the reference.

Anyways, back on topic, here is some Dr. Steve with the Alexes from the Duran:

 

[AmosTrask]

I have no words to express the rage this dishonorable report to congress has engendered in me. I'm not even American. Soldiers, teachers and elders deserve to be treated with all courtesies and respect. This is the very opposite of that.

This is a betrayal of the men and women the same government has asked to risk their lives at war. This betrayal. . . In the Philippines anyone in government stupid enough to write this recommendation would be given the option to commit suicide to atone for this shame. Or he'd be disappeared.

 

[AmosTrask]

Just general advice to please refrain from FedPosting on our Website. It's not against the rules per se, but it certainly is poor form.

Unless your a Fed of course.

What is a fed post?

 

[Zachowon]

I have no words to express the rage this dishonorable report to congress has engendered in me. I'm not even American. Soldiers, teachers and elders deserve to be treated with all courtesies and respect. This is the very opposite of that.

This is a betrayal of the men and women the same government has asked to risk their lives at war. This betrayal. . . In the Philippines anyone in government stupid enough to write this recommendation would be given the option to commit suicide to atone for this shame. Or he'd be disappeared.

Don't forget they also are wanting to get rid of the F 22 amd a bunch of defense things

 

[AmosTrask]

Don't forget they also are wanting to get rid of the F 22 amd a bunch of defense things

I understand the F-22 matter. It was a useful testbed, but it's now too expensive with the main source of critical alloys and components being Russia and China. The proposed replacement is cheaper and can be built with materials the US and its allies produce domestically

 

[Zachowon]

I understand the F-22 matter. It was a useful testbed, but it's now too expensive with the main source of critical alloys and components being Russia and China. The proposed replacement is cheaper and can be built with materials the US and its allies produce domestically

The F 22 is fully domestic and outclassed everything still

 

[AmosTrask]

The F 22 is fully domestic and outclassed everything still

Nope. Electronics come from Taiwan and China. Titanium from Russia.

Looks like China has thrown away all pretense and is providing weapons openly now.

 

[Zachowon]

Nope. Electronics come from Taiwan and China. Titanium from Russia.

Looks like China has thrown away all pretense and is providing weapons openly now.

Taiwan yes.
China no....
And can I get Citation on that Russia part

Because the F 35 production stopped once it was found out it was made woth a block of metal from china

 

[Yinko]

When did we start talking about presidential admin members as "X officials"? I remember there being "Trump Officials" and obviously there are "Biden officials" but were there "Bush officials"? It strikes me as a very "not my president" kind of sentiment. If this is a common thing then so be it, but if it's relatively recent then it would be a useful indicator of when social and political division became irreconcilable.

 

[AmosTrask]

Taiwan yes.
China no....
And can I get Citation on that Russia part

Because the F 35 production stopped once it was found out it was made woth a block of metal from china

Since the Cold War US has traded for titanium with Russia. This is Wallstreet data, raw titanium from Russia processing and machining in US.

United States Imports from Russia of Titanium - 2024 Data 2025 Forecast 1992-2022 Historical

United States Imports from Russia of Titanium was US$63.32 Million during 2022, according to the United Nations COMTRADE database on international trade. United States Imports from Russia of Titanium - data, historical chart and statistics - was last updated on January of 2024.

tradingeconomics.com

Ongoing Infrastructure Investment from the 70s and 80s in client states has finally allowed America to reduce that Russian trade in the last ten years.

Some of those Chinese companies quietly received an exemption to continue production.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

When did we start talking about presidential admin members as "X officials"? I remember there being "Trump Officials" and obviously there are "Biden officials" but were there "Bush officials"? It strikes me as a very "not my president" kind of sentiment. If this is a common thing then so be it, but if it's relatively recent then it would be a useful indicator of when social and political division became irreconcilable.

Honestly, this has been going on for a long time. 'Reaganites' was a common label for his appointees.

 

[Zachowon]

Since the Cold War US has traded for titanium with Russia. This is Wallstreet data, raw titanium from Russia processing and machining in US.

United States Imports from Russia of Titanium - 2024 Data 2025 Forecast 1992-2022 Historical

United States Imports from Russia of Titanium was US$63.32 Million during 2022, according to the United Nations COMTRADE database on international trade. United States Imports from Russia of Titanium - data, historical chart and statistics - was last updated on January of 2024.

tradingeconomics.com

Ongoing Infrastructure Investment from the 70s and 80s in client states has finally allowed America to reduce that Russian trade in the last ten years.

Some of those Chinese companies quietly received an exemption to continue production.

Again...
I need sources not assumptions

 

[AmosTrask]

Again...
I need sources not assumptions

Does a CIA paper on the trade that started after WW2 count? There are more on the same site with current trade analysis.

THE SOVIET TITANIUM INDUSTRY AND ITS ROLE IN THE MILITARY BUILDUP | CIA FOIA (foia.cia.gov)

www.cia.gov

I'd need to find that FBI article on the Chinese debacle.

 

[mrttao]

I got to wonder what @Agent23 thinks about the repeated Russian linked sabotage in his nation, that has blown up ammo stock piles going back even before February of last year.

Top investigative journalist warns of Russian sabotage in Bulgaria

Christo Grozev says there is a danger of Russian sabotage efforts against Bulgaria's military sector. He describes how Russian agents work.

insightnews.media

I guess being a vatnik means he's probaby ok with Russia destroying shit and killing people on his nation's soil.

> Be an arms supplier to one side only in a war
> Give them the weapons for free
> The other side sabotages you
> Pikachuface.jpg

Actions have consequences.
That isn't to say that Bulgaria is wrong to undermine russia's expansion.
Bulgaria is correct in undermining russia's expansion. Or they would be next.
And Russia is also correct in retaliating against said undermining.

 

[Zachowon]

Does a CIA paper on the trade that started after WW2 count? There are more on the same site with current trade analysis.

THE SOVIET TITANIUM INDUSTRY AND ITS ROLE IN THE MILITARY BUILDUP | CIA FOIA (foia.cia.gov)

www.cia.gov

I'd need to find that FBI article on the Chinese debacle.

I literally mean do you have evidence Russian and Chinese stuff was used on the raptor

 

[Bacle]

Well, this certainly will make a lot of blue balled western pilot's salivate; Flying Tigers 2.0 when?

 

[Agent23]

The F 22 is fully domestic and outclassed everything still

And you decided to move to the F-35.

> Be an arms supplier to one side only in a war

Hey, I find that offensive!
We sell to anyone with money, legally and not so legally.

But picking a fight with our close neighbors and historic benefactors and liberators is stupid and incites retaliation.

> Give them the weapons for free
> The other side sabotages you
> Pikachuface.jpg

Actions have consequences.
That isn't to say that Bulgaria is wrong to undermine russia's expansion.
Bulgaria is correct in undermining russia's expansion. Or they would be next.

Nope, not really.
And a large percentage of the population is strongly pro Russia.

The oligarchs and the bureaucracy that lick foreign ass on the other hand are on the side of whoever threatens them the most and gives them the biggest bribes.

And Russia is also correct in retaliating against said undermining.

I don't say, and I would prefer to not get retaliated against and have extra potential sources of cheap gas and oil.