Okay, let me explain as simply as possible.
Better to assume the worst possible scenario and be glad it's not there. Because the whole, make for a bad Euro is the same as in this saying.
To spite mommy, I'll frostbite my ears.
It's not Poland that will pay for the stupidity of isolation, it's the greatest United States, which apparently needs to see for itself what it means to have no foreign influence.
Because it is not in my interest that you play the World Policeman, but your own. And if you think that there won't be forces pushing you into more isolationism because it pays off for them, then I don't know what I can say anymore.
Again, I'm not advocating for isolationism, I am trying to explain to you why your arguments are counter-productive to your goals and the strawman you created for a 'worst case scenario' is so farcical as to be worthless for debate.
If you don't want the US to be isolationist, don't make us resentful towards the people who want us to stay world policeman for their sake's (and do not pretend US going isolationist is not a concern for Poles). So 1) Don't fearmonger unnecessarily, 2) do not assume that the US public at large is willing to die for any nation, even their own, any more.
So please, for the sake of reducing isolationist feelings in the US, come to us with gratitude and understanding, not resentfulness and demands.
And understand leaving Euro's to their own devices does not mean would would have to pull back from other allies, like Japan or South Korea, and nothing is going to change where Canada and Mexico are located.
'Isolationism' for the US is not some 'one size fits all' label for things, and you completely ignore Hollywood and popular cultures part in US hegemony. Down sizing the military and reducing foreign commitments wouldn't necessarily mean we cut cultural ties too, it may in fact mean we push those more heavily.
A 'militarily isolationist' US is still perfectly capable of using our soft-power method to ensure our dominance in our own chosen space. We just won't do free piracy protection and the like for passive economic/military benefit anymore, and likely due the convoy system to protect what foreign trade is done.
Also, an isolationist US might mean a bigger military, because oddly enough it may actually up the amount of recruits the military gets, as a consequence of a sort of siege-mentality. So thinking an isolationist US means a disarmed, or lesser armed US, is another brainbug going on in your argument.
You do know the US has the most powerful military in the world right.
And majority of that money goes towards not the SJW stuff, which Congress has full control over btw.
But what I am getting at is, all the money from going isolated would gut the military and then guess what.
Welfare for all.
Because we have no need for a military when the world doesn't bother us.
States can have thier own if they want.
That is what would happen.
As I said, I think the idea isolationism means a smaller US military is undercounting the siege-mentality effect that will inevitably come with it, and the now freed up funds no longer going to 'hearts and minds' ventures or pirate deterrence patrols could end up just meaning the homeland has a shit load more litoral, coastal, ABM, and cyber defenses.
Because isolationist US still has Hawaii, Guam, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, the Marshalls, Wake, Midway, and the US Virgin Islands, plus other overseas territories, to protect and look after.
The thing is man we are really getting tired of bailing you out.
Seriously Dog has a point its been once thing after another with you guys since versalies. We helped prop up your economies in the inter war period, then we got stuck intervening in world war two. Then we had to station troops in europe to keep the communists from conquering you out right and spent billions to help you rebuild, and we used our navy to let you trade freely.
Then the soviets fall and you guys can't even handle fucking Serbia, and we get called in to bail you out of that. Then you guys said that the EU was the new super power and when the economic crisis happened you guys couldn't handle that shit either and we got stuck bailing out your banks under the table again.
Then this crisis.
We litterally warned you for 30 FUCKING years not to trust the russians that you couldn't rely on their oil then Ukraine happens and were stuck bailing you guys out again.
And heres the thing, all of that all of those decades of hard work, all of our people who died so you could be comfortable in your homes, all of that money spent to keep you functional all of the sacerfice we made for generations?
You guys are not grateful for any of it.
And were getting real tried of helping you out and getting spit in our face as our reward.
This; I do get the resentment for how ungrateful many Euro's are for what exactly the US has done for them, so they could rebuild and trade without needing their own navies.
With Poland, I even get they didn't get that chance behind the Iron Curtain, and do not want to be there again, and can honestly say we threw them to Stalin at the end of WW2, so the fear is real for them.
If the Poles would focus more on trying to get the rest of Europe to follow their example, it would solve a lot of the resentment and shit felt about Europe in general.
Blame the rest of Europe, we didn't trust Russia for a damn thing. And we didn't give a damn about the issue in Yugoslavia. But did damn Europe listen to us?
No, the Poles were (insert insult here) and treated us with unjustified superiority. And then it took and shit and turned out we were fucking right. But would they apologize? No, because what's the point?
You don't want to deal with Europe, then I have a simple deal, give Poland the toys to pacify Europe and we'll just do whatever it takes to keep these morons under the boot.
We will do without the American Military in such a scenario. Don't want to play world policeman? Then do what a classical power in your position would do, look for someone who likes you endlessly and at the same time has a justified aversion to their neighbors. Give him a gun and the blessing that he can do as he pleases. Occasionally press other countries there to let this protectorate of yours gain control, and there you go. You have secured Europe and holy peace. Of course, this requires some sideways looking, but you guys actually want to go home because you're tired so what will you care.
The same in every strategic piece of the world. In this way, you will limit yourself to a minimum and at the same time you will not have to wake up one day with a gun to your head.
Look, we have too many connections to France to allow Poland uncontested control of Europe, and Greece should not have to be under anyone's heel.
Leave the UK/Ireland alone, split the rest with France and Greece, and maybe you could convince the US public to go along with it.
Particularly if we get say, Greenland, out of the deal.
A nuclear Poland is something I fully support, and the better armed you guys are, the better it is for US.
This is what I think some Euro's need to realize; the US is happy to sell you all the military gear we can without compromising our own security, but the most of the US public isn't interested in risking dying for their own nation anymore, much less some foreign nation.
The US is tired, but we can still make guns; if Poland wants to step up to take over more of our European duties, we can make how ever many guns you need to help achieve it.
