Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[Agent23]

Translation from vatnik agent:
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You wanna go support Russia- go personally, with your ass on the line.


You wanna shit on NATO and its position on Russian revanchism - go ahead, if the Bulgarian population is willing to go with it and collectively skewer itself on FSB useful idiocy, go leave EU and NATO, join CSTO and EEU, see how that works out for ya.

And here comes the talk of "American bootlicking". Projection much? Go ahead and stick to licking the Russian boot you love so much.

Translation from Mardukski
>REE MORE, BUT WHAT ABOUT MUH XYZ...VATNIK...REEEE....
Nope,not impressed, at least you can try and be original.

 

[King Arts]

The other side will also have them. And if the Americans are stupid enough to use them, they will be happy to respond.

Umm MAD means the one who attacks first is insane. I mean nukes are so powerful that a nation like russia or Poland could reduce most of their army and as long as they had thousands of atomic bombs they would never be invaded.

 

[Batrix2070]

Umm MAD means the one who attacks first is insane. I mean nukes are so powerful that a nation like russia or Poland could reduce most of their army and as long as they had thousands of atomic bombs they would never be invaded.

Provided, of course, that he is willing to encase the attacking country in nuclear weapons until there is nothing left of it. When both sides have nuclear weapons they might as well not have them, because there is no point in using them because it will only bring mutual destruction and that is not what war is about.

That's why I said if the Americans are stupid enough to use it. Because that way the U.S. automatically erases itself from existence. Such a conflict will be exhausting but losing does not equal annihilation like in MAD. You can always recover from defeat in a conventional war. From a nuclear one not necessarily.

Only insane , fanatical or desperate people are capable of using weapons in MAD, preferring to be dead than under someone else's boot. An ordinary person is unlikely to part with his life and be remembered as the gravedigger of the world.

 

[Batrix2070]

Another thing is that I'm talking about a strong conquest scenario. More likely were the scenarios of forced isolation. That is, the country that won the chaos after America fled to itself decides to ensure peace and avoid a bloody war by cutting off the world's largest island from the rest of the globe. Give America what it wants, but on their terms. Lock America in its own prison to suffocate in its own sauce.

 

[King Arts]

Provided, of course, that he is willing to encase the attacking country in nuclear weapons until there is nothing left of it. When both sides have nuclear weapons they might as well not have them, because there is no point in using them because it will only bring mutual destruction and that is not what war is about.

That's why I said if the Americans are stupid enough to use it. Because that way the U.S. automatically erases itself from existence. Such a conflict will be exhausting but losing does not equal annihilation like in MAD. You can always recover from defeat in a conventional war. From a nuclear one not necessarily.

Only insane , fanatical or desperate people are capable of using weapons in MAD, preferring to be dead than under someone else's boot. An ordinary person is unlikely to part with his life and be remembered as the gravedigger of the world.

But if someone invaded and occupied a nuclear power the first thing they’d do is remove their nukes to make sure they will never be a threat again. You said if America went full isolation it would be attacked. This would not be a proxy war with us fighting in another country true isolation means not getting involved in world affairs that means that if you are in a war with isolationists you are the aggressor and you are going to their land. America would be willing to launch the nukes if they were invaded conventionally so would Russia.

 

[King Arts]

Another thing is that I'm talking about a strong conquest scenario. More likely were the scenarios of forced isolation. That is, the country that won the chaos after America fled to itself decides to ensure peace and avoid a bloody war by cutting off the world's largest island from the rest of the globe. Give America what it wants, but on their terms. Lock America in its own prison to suffocate in its own sauce.

Oh that? That’s just sanctions not war.

 

[Batrix2070]

But if someone invaded and occupied a nuclear power the first thing they’d do is remove their nukes to make sure they will never be a threat again. You said if America went full isolation it would be attacked. This would not be a proxy war with us fighting in another country true isolation means not getting involved in world affairs that means that if you are in a war with isolationists you are the aggressor and you are going to their land. America would be willing to launch the nukes if they were invaded conventionally so would Russia.

So in response they will be wiped out from the world. I don't know if Americans would be willing to succumb to evaporation rather than endure a period of occupation and eventually liberate themselves from the invader. They would have to become extremely xenophobic to recognize any foreign military on their territory as a reason for mutual annihilation. That is, in short, mad.

Oh that? That’s just sanctions not war.

More of a total embargo from the rest of the world and the severing of all contacts. At the same time maintaining a fleet that prevents anyone from entering America as well as anyone from leaving America.

What happens in America stays in America and we won't care about them. Eurasia does not need the world's largest island for happiness.

That is, the isolationists' wish come true. And that you don't like it? Well, remember the stick has two ends. Not only the juicy one that you want, but also the other one that someone else can grab to beat you over the head with that stick.

 

[Bacle]

So in response they will be wiped out from the world. I don't know if Americans would be willing to succumb to evaporation rather than endure a period of occupation and eventually liberate themselves from the invader. They would have to become extremely xenophobic to recognize any foreign military on their territory as a reason for mutual annihilation. That is, in short, mad.


More of a total embargo from the rest of the world and the severing of all contacts. At the same time maintaining a fleet that prevents anyone from entering America as well as anyone from leaving America.

What happens in America stays in America and we won't care about them. Eurasia does not need the world's largest island for happiness.

Are you trying to get more people in the US to say 'Fuck the Euro's/Fuck Ukraine, let them rot.'?

Asking because indulging in fantasies of people invading and nuking the US in the future if we pull pack is the sort of thing that will cause the US to pull back, but not disarm, and in fact be rather aggressive towards any power from the old world who seeks inroad in the Americas.

Do not do Russia's work for them out of spite.

 

[Batrix2070]

Are you trying to get more people in the US to say 'Fuck the Euro's/Fuck Ukraine, let them rot.'?

Asking because indulging in fantasies of people invading and nuking the US in the future if we pull pack is the sort of thing that will cause the US to pull back, but not disarm, and in fact be rather aggressive towards any power from the old world who seeks inroad in the Americas.

Do not do Russia's work for them out of spite.

Rather, I am saying that it is precisely this approach that will eventually end up with America being torn apart by other countries. If America does not want foreign troops on its territory, it must keep its troops on foreign territory, all the while keeping control of its own destiny.

Isolationism is simply putting oneself on autopilot when it comes to foreign policy. That is, letting other powers do whatever they want, including growing so powerful that they can effortlessly knock America down and snatch America's wealth for themselves.

Don't be naive in that the world will leave you alone as you leave the world alone. Why should they? It will simply seize the opportunity presented by America's lack of an active foreign presence so that it can later pacify America itself as well.

Also, maintaining such an Army, makes no sense if you do not intend to operate overseas. It will be a huge drain on the budget, on an army that will sit in barracks doing nothing useful. Which, of course, will make the whole structure start to rot, which is what always happens when the army has nothing to do.

If you say, Fuck the World then the world will answer America, fuck the US. When a new superpower attacks America and subjugates it, no one will stand behind you. No one will help you, because why should they?

You yourselves, of your own free will, have taken all the achievements in diplomacy and culture that you have exerted on the world and thrown them away. You have shown that if you get bored and tired, you will leave without hesitation.

In the final battle, you will be left alone. Just as you wanted in the end.

Those who do not want to create the world they live in will live in a world created by someone else.

 

[Bacle]

Rather, I am saying that it is precisely this approach that will eventually end up with America being torn apart by other countries. If America does not want foreign troops on its territory, it must keep its troops on foreign territory, all the while keeping control of its own destiny.

Isolationism is simply putting oneself on autopilot when it comes to foreign policy. That is, letting other powers do whatever they want, including growing so powerful that they can effortlessly knock America down and snatch America's wealth for themselves.

Don't be naive in that the world will leave you alone as you leave the world alone. Why should they? It will simply seize the opportunity presented by America's lack of an active foreign presence so that it can later pacify America itself as well.

Also, maintaining such an Army, makes no sense if you do not intend to operate overseas. It will be a huge drain on the budget, on an army that will sit in barracks doing nothing useful. Which, of course, will make the whole structure start to rot, which is what always happens when the army has nothing to do.

If you say, Fuck the World then the world will answer America, fuck the US. When a new superpower attacks America and subjugates it, no one will stand behind you. No one will help you, because why should they?

You yourselves, of your own free will, have taken all the achievements in diplomacy and culture that you have exerted on the world and thrown them away. You have shown that if you get bored and tired, you will leave without hesitation.

In the final battle, you will be left alone. Just as you wanted in the end.

Those who do not want to create the world they live in will live in a world created by someone else.

I think you are rather...how shall I put this...rather missing a lot of context and the ability of American isolationism to be selective in what it is applied to (hello Hollywood and Silicon Valley).

I am not naive enough to support full isolationism now, however I do not think that ranting in this manner will make anyone less isolationist, rather than more, and out of spite.

As well, there is a version where the US goes isolationist, but still sells weapons and shit to our friends via bilateral trade, instead of big multinational NGOs/the UN.

You want to help keep the US from going isolationist, recognize America as a nation was not founded on the idea of becoming an empire, rather the rejection of many imperial ideas and actions of the British. Asking us to help arm others, to help protect themselves, is a better avenue to take than saying the US needs to be a normal empire; far less likely to piss people off who do not want the US to be an empire.

Approach the US populace with understanding of domestic woes, domestic culture, gratitude for past help, and willingness to share the burdens the US keeps being asked to shoulder.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Alternatively, a useful idiot. For some people every war anywhere is a "a psyop by the US IC and Mil industrial complex to enrich themselves at the expense of America" automatically the moment US politicians look at it. It's traditional that leftists do exactly that since the Cold War to the point of memery, it's ridiculous that now supposed right wingers do it too. Don't steal homework from the hippies, they are fucking idiots.

Nah, it's not a hippie talking point when it's quite real. Especially when you europoors are demanding we end civilization as we know it because two tribes of barbarian lunatics are getting into another Congolese style ethnic bitchfit.

We are not your meat shields. America is better than that and all involvement in European affairs has done is turned our culture into a dying thing filled with alternative life styles.

I'm not allowing my son to get blown up because you have some vendetta against another tribe that runs a weak ass economy in a nation where half it's population shits in igloos.

Oh and neocon talking points dont work anymore, God willing the America First crowd will purge the GOP of anyone not a protectionist in the mext couple years

Again. Lay off the hard drugs for a few days. You're getting into a random incoherent narrative reminiscent of a cross between the deranged rants characterized by the online personas of Alex Jones and Westboro Baptist Church. I know it may be fun to roleplay an alternate personality but reading your post gives the impression that you're as unhinged as Xi at his worst.

The foolishness in Mein Kampf and Xi Jinping Thought are worse mind you, but you're sailing full steam in the direction. Gods the latter reads as thought there are six different writers each with their own styles. At least Hitlers book was easier to understand. You're only dealing with one lunatic writer. Xi's book has parts that contradicts itself. The English translation is heavily polished as though written by a native English writer with actual education. Still madness though. He's just rehashing Mao and other founding leaders of the CCP and claiming the credit.

I wonder how much they pay writers to turn a work of madness into a saleable work in the west?

"Everything you say is mental insanity"

Yet your rebuttal is one gigantic rant of autistic incoherency, fascinating.

Edit- If China attacked Japan today, unless they used nukes that clown show of a coast guard they have would destroy the entire PLAN in an afternoon.

The notion that anyone could invade the continental US with its massive lead on the rest of the world when, even when the US was a minor power and all the great European powers thought it would be imperial suicide is the most sensationalist nonsense on Earth.

America was at its strongest when it was the only country left standing, it essentially ended two world wars alone.

Maybe we just resent Europe and European drama and are tired of losing our wealth and prosperity because a bunch of tribals can't smoke a peace pipe.

I dont see any difference between Russia and the Ukraine and Zaire and Uganda under Mobutu and Amin.

We ignored those retards, we should ignore these.

 

[Marduk]

Nah, it's not a hippie talking point when it's quite real.

It was a stupid simplistic narrative take 50 years ago and will always remain so, the world ain't that simple and the people who started with it were called useful idiots for a reason.

Especially when you europoors are demanding we end civilization as we know it because two tribes of barbarian lunatics are getting into another Congolese style ethnic bitchfit.

Wait, what? Where did this "muh nuclear armageddon if you don't let Russia restore empire" talking point come from?

We are not your meat shields. America is better than that and all involvement in European affairs has done is turned our culture into a dying thing filled with alternative life styles.

Frankfurt school, nuff said. It came to you, you didn't even have to come to take it. Stop spinning history for people who know better, if you disappeared some marxists, no one would care, but you didn't.

Also no one is demanding you go storm nuclear battlefields to take Kremlin lol, so keep the dramatics down.

I'm not allowing my son to get blown up because you have some vendetta against another tribe that runs a weak ass economy in a nation where half it's population shits in igloos.

Again, who's asking for that? I would advise you stop reading what other people didn't write and responding to that.

Oh and neocon talking points dont work anymore, God willing the America First crowd will purge the GOP of anyone not a protectionist in the mext couple years

Good luck with that...

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Good luck with that...

we're succeeding just fine, most of these neocuck retards get booed off the stage in their own rallies now.

Also, don't reproach me for hippie talking points then start babbling about the Frankfurt School, that's right outta right field 🤣🤣🤣

Russia isn't gonna restore the Empire because Russia is a dying nation, it's not really even a civilized nation, nothing in Eastern Europe really is and frankly we are better off ignoring the hordes.

And Russia will use nuclear weapons eventually, precisely because it is a dying nation, it will not really survive this century and they know it and know they have nothing to lose.

So attempting to expand the war and push for further US involvement is asking for nukes to get sent off because those dying imbeciles have nothing to lose.


Eastern Europe ain't no different then central Africa. No point in caring, you guys are literally incapable of going 50 years without an ethnic bitchfit between each other.

No one should care what any of you do.

 

[Marduk]

we're succeeding just fine, most of these neocuck retards get booed off the stage in their own rallies now.

Also, don't reproach me for hippie talking points then start babbling about the Frankfurt School, that's right outta right field 🤣🤣🤣

Russia isn't gonna restore the Empire because Russia is a dying nation, it's not really even a civilized nation, nothing in Eastern Europe really is and frankly we are better off ignoring the hordes.

Well the problem is that they apparently didn't get the memo that they are a dying nation and act as if they were a rising one. You can call it an undead empire...

And Russia will use nuclear weapons eventually, precisely because it is a dying nation, it will not really survive this century and they know it and know they have nothing to lose.

Already happened once with Soviet Union and look what didn't happen then, and if they do, 50/50 it's gonna be on themselves.

So attempting to expand the war and push for further US involvement is asking for nukes to get sent off because those dying imbeciles have nothing to lose.

If someone's going to expand the war it will be Russia trying some shit with Moldova, lol.

Eastern Europe ain't no different then central Africa. No point in caring, you guys are literally incapable of going 50 years without an ethnic bitchfit between each other.

No one should care what any of you do.

Since mostly peaceful protests you don't get to complain about ethnic bitchfits or compare Europe to Africa

 

[Bacle]

we're succeeding just fine, most of these neocuck retards get booed off the stage in their own rallies now.

Also, don't reproach me for hippie talking points then start babbling about the Frankfurt School, that's right outta right field 🤣🤣🤣

Russia isn't gonna restore the Empire because Russia is a dying nation, it's not really even a civilized nation, nothing in Eastern Europe really is and frankly we are better off ignoring the hordes.

And Russia will use nuclear weapons eventually, precisely because it is a dying nation, it will not really survive this century and they know it and know they have nothing to lose.

So attempting to expand the war and push for further US involvement is asking for nukes to get sent off because those dying imbeciles have nothing to lose.


Eastern Europe ain't no different then central Africa. No point in caring, you guys are literally incapable of going 50 years without an ethnic bitchfit between each other.

No one should care what any of you do.

I'm still wondering in what world someone who hates commies so much wants to throw away the assistance and knowledge of the people who most directly suffered under the commies and are now often some of the most willing to fight the commies, AKA Eastern Europe.

Also, how someone who hates the commies so much is basically repeating that he is ok throwing millions of people to them, and making it so the commies will feel more emboldened to try further aggression.

You yourself even admit you think we cannot avoid Russia using nukes in the long run, because of their demographic/social decline, so what benefit is it to kick the can down the road again instead supporting Ukraine regardless of nuclear saber-rattling?

The America First crowd can get some worthless RINO's out of power, but that doesn't change that the neo-cons were Right about Russia in the long run, and trying to go full isolationist, or even semi-isolationist, just isn't really in the cards anymore.

Because the saner parts of the Right, who are more than kneejerk contrarians against 'The Left/globohomo/the GAE, etc' nebulous non-conservative entity, realize that this is a war Putin/Russia chose to pursue, and no amount of domestic discontent in the US is going to erase or bury old world blood feuds/imperial ambitions, and the world is too interconnected now for full decoupling to truly work.

 

[Batrix2070]

I think you are rather...how shall I put this...rather missing a lot of context and the ability of American isolationism to be selective in what it is applied to (hello Hollywood and Silicon Valley).

I am not naive enough to support full isolationism now, however I do not think that ranting in this manner will make anyone less isolationist, rather than more, and out of spite.

As well, there is a version where the US goes isolationist, but still sells weapons and shit to our friends via bilateral trade, instead of big multinational NGOs/the UN.

You want to help keep the US from going isolationist, recognize America as a nation was not founded on the idea of becoming an empire, rather the rejection of many imperial ideas and actions of the British. Asking us to help arm others, to help protect themselves, is a better avenue to take than saying the US needs to be a normal empire; far less likely to piss people off who do not want the US to be an empire.

Approach the US populace with understanding of domestic woes, domestic culture, gratitude for past help, and willingness to share the burdens the US keeps being asked to shoulder.

Well, apparently, Americans have to burn to understand what even partial isolationism will lead to.

To handing over to others the decision of how the world will be. I doubt Americans would be satisfied with the outcome in the long run.

And it's not even about being an Empire, only simply not letting themselves get in over their heads. It's not like you guys are going to leave and the world will politely acknowledge that you have the right to do so. No, it will simply shatter the order you've built, and then when they can't get any more out of what's left, they'll come after America to siphon off wealth, people and so on.

America yes will eventually reject any invasion, but the damage in the form of ruined cities and villages will be done. Masses of people, this time not some aliens from distant lands but ordinary Americans will die during the wars America will be forced to fight in its defense. People who might have lived if America had focused on keeping all threats away.

It will not be that you will eat cake and have cake. You will suffer the consequences of your choices, positive and negative.

As for the last paragraph, do you think you are the only ones who have experienced something like this? The disaster of civil wars, collapses? You are not the only ones to experience misfortunes. Although I must say that, unfortunately, we Poles are all too eager to help others.

Poland would gladly bear part of the costs that Americans bear, just to have at least part of America's power to create the world. To be able to avoid the greatest collapse of all, occupation and partition. After something like that, any resistance to the military, or the needs we have to pay to keep the world the way we want it, disappears.

We faced annihilation and attempts to erase the very idea of Poland, we did not give in even though it is not so easy. Every Pole would gladly swap suffering and misery with Americans. (Although I rather doubt that you would want to get our package, genocide, exile, stealing, destruction, degradation and the worst of all that is oblivion).

Don't want to fight? No problem, in Europe we can fight for you. Just give us the equipment and a proper economic foundation.

If I were to say something personally to Americans who just want peace, it is only that they will never get it. Whether you like it or not, war and the world's problems will come to you. And you will either solve it on your terms or on someone else's.

You'd better do it on your own, because it's never pleasant on someone else's. Never.

 

[LordsFire]

Provided, of course, that he is willing to encase the attacking country in nuclear weapons until there is nothing left of it. When both sides have nuclear weapons they might as well not have them, because there is no point in using them because it will only bring mutual destruction and that is not what war is about.

That's why I said if the Americans are stupid enough to use it. Because that way the U.S. automatically erases itself from existence. Such a conflict will be exhausting but losing does not equal annihilation like in MAD. You can always recover from defeat in a conventional war. From a nuclear one not necessarily.

Only insane , fanatical or desperate people are capable of using weapons in MAD, preferring to be dead than under someone else's boot. An ordinary person is unlikely to part with his life and be remembered as the gravedigger of the world.

You are demonstrating a severe lack of understanding about how nuclear weapons, doctrine, and policy, work.

First off, there is a difference between tactical and strategic nuclear weapons. Tactical weapons can be deployed by something as small as an MLRS, and be an alternate payload for a strike fighter, missile cell on a ship, or even used as a glorified remote-detonation mine.

Strategic weapons are the big bombs and missiles that can generally be detected from long ranges, and are what provoke immediate responses when used.


Second off, there are only two nations in the world with currently-relevant systems regarding intercepting strategic nuclear missiles, the USA and Israel. If there actually is a strategic nuclear exchange between the USA and other major powers, the USA is the only nation with a chance of coming out partially intact. The exact odds are unknown, but there is at least a chance, and with the current development arc of technology, the US's capabilities in that regard are going to be improving steadily, while it'll be decades or never before anyone else has the capability.

On top of that, given the US has a habit of developing technology to counter what it itself is already doing, odds are decent that by the time anyone else comes up with said capabilities, American penetration aids and the like will already be designed to overcome them. Not guaranteed, but a solid chance.


Third off, responding to tactical nuclear weapons with all-out strategic launch is standing policy for nobody.

If a hostile power tries to send their military across the Atlantic or Pacific, and the US responds with tactical nuclear weapons that blow the shit out of said invasion fleets, this is not an automatic 'and now everyone launches nukes and everyone dies.' It's also important to note that due to shorter travel distances and different delivery systems, tactical nukes will generally have detonated before there's even the chance at a strategic response, meaning decision-makers will have to make said decisions after the fact, not when tactical weapons are in the process of closing on their fleet.

Further, the very mutually-assured destruction you are talking about actually makes it less likely that tactical use will result in a strategic response. If the US tac-nukes the fleets, the enemy nations are out their expeditionary forces, but the nations themselves are still fully intact. If they then reply with strategic weapons, the US does likewise, and then everybody in major cities dies.

This means that MAD actually works against the invaders, because they can either accept the loss of a big chunk of their military, or they can all die in exchange for killing tens of millions of Americans out of sheer spite. They gain nothing except spiting America by launching strategic weapons.


The same is largely true for any other nuclear power. It is generally understood that attempting a conventional invasion of a nuclear power invites defensive nuclear response, which is why it'd be suidicing your military for little to no gain. India and Pakistan are something of an exception to this with each other.

 

[Bacle]

In other news:



Serbia will arrest any of it's citizens who go to fight for Russia in their invasion of Ukraine and attempt to return.

Well, apparently, Americans have to burn to understand what even partial isolationism will lead to.

To handing over to others the decision of how the world will be. I doubt Americans would be satisfied with the outcome in the long run.

And it's not even about being an Empire, only simply not letting themselves get in over their heads. It's not like you guys are going to leave and the world will politely acknowledge that you have the right to do so. No, it will simply shatter the order you've built, and then when they can't get any more out of what's left, they'll come after America to siphon off wealth, people and so on.

America yes will eventually reject any invasion, but the damage in the form of ruined cities and villages will be done. Masses of people, this time not some aliens from distant lands but ordinary Americans will die during the wars America will be forced to fight in its defense. People who might have lived if America had focused on keeping all threats away.

It will not be that you will eat cake and have cake. You will suffer the consequences of your choices, positive and negative.

As for the last paragraph, do you think you are the only ones who have experienced something like this? The disaster of civil wars, collapses? You are not the only ones to experience misfortunes. Although I must say that, unfortunately, we Poles are all too eager to help others.

Poland would gladly bear part of the costs that Americans bear, just to have at least part of America's power to create the world. To be able to avoid the greatest collapse of all, occupation and partition. After something like that, any resistance to the military, or the needs we have to pay to keep the world the way we want it, disappears.

We faced annihilation and attempts to erase the very idea of Poland, we did not give in even though it is not so easy. Every Pole would gladly swap suffering and misery with Americans. (Although I rather doubt that you would want to get our package, genocide, exile, stealing, destruction, degradation and the worst of all that is oblivion).

Don't want to fight? No problem, in Europe we can fight for you. Just give us the equipment and a proper economic foundation.

If I were to say something personally to Americans who just want peace, it is only that they will never get it. Whether you like it or not, war and the world's problems will come to you. And you will either solve it on your terms or on someone else's.

You'd better do it on your own, because it's never pleasant on someone else's. Never.

Look, you seem to be mistaking me for someone trying to push isolationism, rather than try to help make sure the US is less isolationist by pointing out when Euro's rant about what America needs to be/must be, it causes more isolationist feelings most of the time, not less.

You want to keep the US from going isolationist, don't feed the resentment a lot in the US feel towards foreigners who expect us to control the world for them, while ignoring the cost that has on the US domestic scene.

The American public is tired of being expected to 'happily' control the world to make things safe for smaller nations; you want us to be world police, make other nations start paying what they said they would (Poland pulls it's weight, so not really applicable to your nation) and discourage nations from attempting to entice off-shoring of US jobs to their shores.

Also, no one is going to seriously invade the US; the CCP or Russia might try something stupid in Alaska, but the US can keep our CONUS shores protected without a lot of foreign involvement or materials.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I'm still wondering in what world someone who hates commies so much wants to throw away the assistance and knowledge of the people who most directly suffered under the commies and are now often some of the most willing to fight the commies, AKA Eastern Europe.

...Bacle what the fuck are you talking about? The only commies in this stupid fucking fake war are Western European countries. The EU is filled with retards arresting women who got raped by Arabs for reporting their rapists as arabs, locking their countries down and jabbing them at gun point, arresting people like Tommy Robinson for punching pedos in public, forcefully removing children from hospital beds and giving them vaxxed blood..They're the ones with controlled economies wherein everyone gets a stipend from the state at the expense of the few people able to work and earn; they're the ones with epidemics of exploding mailboxes and 1600 sexual assaults on a new years eve all covered up by the politburo.

Western Europe is where kebabs made of former child prostitutes were served in Pakistani restaurants for years because leftist politicians say it's integral for the bourgeoisie to shut up about it and take one for the team.

Russia and the Ukraine aren't capitalist, and they aren't communist. Both of those countries are reduced to states too primitive to be either. They're thuggocracies governed by drug dealers.

You're right I hate leftists and I hate leftism and I hate communism. That's why I don't give a single solitary fuck what happens in Europe. They're all a bunch of effete Marxists and cultural nihilists.

This ain't the 1980's dude...Russia isn't communist, Russia's not anything. It is insanity for you to suggest we're facing the USSR...that's fucking wild Bacle.

Because the saner parts of the Right, who are more than kneejerk contrarians against 'The Left/globohomo/the GAE, etc' nebulous non-conservative entity, realize that this is a war Putin/Russia chose to pursue, and no amount of domestic discontent in the US is going to erase or bury old world blood feuds/imperial ambitions, and the world is too interconnected now for full decoupling to truly work.

...Most conservatives are part of the GAE/globalists and the ones who aren't are moving away from conservatism and embracing a Christian traditionalism.

I don't care about cultural embalmers, most of us in the New Right don't, hell most conservatives are abandoning political conservatism because they're tired of conserving democratic talking points from the 1980's.

Well, apparently, Americans have to burn to understand what even partial isolationism will lead to.

To handing over to others the decision of how the world will be. I doubt Americans would be satisfied with the outcome in the long run.

Then the US can reemerge and do what the Mongols did. "Knock this shit off, or we will Golden Horde in Baghdad your ass"

Y'all ain't gaining on us, when most of you are collapsing due to your own internal problems while being propped up by us.

What makes you think you'll survive without us? We've been artificially keeping Europe going since the treaty of Versailles.

Well the problem is that they apparently didn't get the memo that they are a dying nation and act as if they were a rising one. You can call it an undead empire,

Desperate animals trying to keep the other foot from entering the grave tend to do desperate things. Too bad the Ukrainian Government is so lazy and corrupt it can't drive out a bunch of half dead barbarians without extensive bribes and money laundering from the US.

Since mostly peaceful protests you don't get to complain about ethnic bitchfits or compare Europe to Africa

All the more reason not to involve ourselves in an external tribal bitchfit, we gotta deal with our own almost mortal social problems...problems encouraged by the US IC and imported by European schools of thought by the by!

If someone's going to expand the war it will be Russia trying some shit with Moldova, lol.

Yeah, no it's not like zelensky didn't try and start a nuclear war or anything.

 

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All the more reason not to involve ourselves in an external tribal bitchfit, we gotta deal with our own almost mortal social problems...problems encouraged by the US IC and imported by European schools of thought by the by!

And catering to the silly wishful thinking and pet theories of silly people like dogmatic isolationists and "anti war" activists helps this... how exactly?
Going out of your way to keep silly people happy is exactly the sort of attitude that got you into all these problems in the first place.

Yeah, no it's not like zelensky didn't try and start a nuclear war or anything.

Just... how? Where did you get all these crazy theories? I know there are certain media pipelines specializing in this, but that's the stuff you're not supposed to take seriously.