AnimalNoodles
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You mean the grand advances into territories that had already been mostly evacuated?
Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion
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You mean the grand advances into territories that had already been mostly evacuated?
Nah, you are making up their reason for fighting. Ukrainians have such high morale because they consider themselves to be in similar situation as Chechnya or Georgia were in their wars.If Russia gets pushed out of Ukraine, it won’t be for a while. Putin’s reputation and legacy is tied up in this war, if it ends without something positive to show for it, he is utterly humiliated.
On the Ukrainian side, they are basically under the control of the GAE, which doesn’t care about expense or casualties and has no reason to compromise or capitulate in any way.
So essentially, the leaders in both sides don’t care about casualties, suffering, or economic destruction - winning is more important. That could make this a quagmire that drags on for years
If they won't win, they are stuck being a periphery of Russian empire in one way or another. And they were there for quite a long time in hope it will get better over time after the 90's, so they know damn well why they don't like it, especially now that the empire is getting more clearly imperial.
Just in case they had any doubts, Russia has conquered a piece of their and other countries, and everyone can see how well the people there are governed and what were their living standards before the war.
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Kharkiv front wasn't until the Ukrainians broke through.
How is Russian advances at Bakhmut?
LordsFire
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Even if you buy that it was a carefully-coordinated retreat, it still reflects that Ukraine is clearly on the offensive, and Russia the defensive.
The strategic picture for Russia has been steadily degrading for the last five or six months. They haven't made any substantial gains since they took Kherson, whereas they have been forced back on four out of five fronts, including losing Kherson.
AnimalNoodles
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Kharkhiv had a small number of national guard and some light infantry. Thats it. Thats why it was chosen for the offensive. and the Ukrainians still took immense casualties from the preregistered artillery.
Considering the purpose of Bakhmut is to draw the Ukrainians into a meat grinder, it seems to be going just fine.
Uh...the one of the major units of the Russian Arny was there .the 1st GTA. Or a major unit of thiers. Wiped out and a lot of vics captured.
Bahkmut has thr Ukranians gaining and losing less then Wagner is
This all seems to assume the only reason Ukraine is resisting Putin is because the 'GAE' wants them to.If Russia gets pushed out of Ukraine, it won’t be for a while. Putin’s reputation and legacy is tied up in this war, if it ends without something positive to show for it, he is utterly humiliated.
On the Ukrainian side, they are basically under the control of the GAE, which doesn’t care about expense or casualties and has no reason to compromise or capitulate in any way.
So essentially, the leaders in both sides don’t care about casualties, suffering, or economic destruction - winning is more important. That could make this a quagmire that drags on for years
It completely removes agency from the Ukrainian people, completely ignores that this war could end tomorrow if Putin and Russia just left Ukraine's soil and stopped firing over the border, and equates Zelensky with Putin, which is so disgustingly false I have to wonder how much Russian propaganda you've swallowed uncritically.
Ukraine will achieve victory in the war and remove the Russian invaders from their lands; it will likely take till at least 2024 due to climatic/seasonal weather cycles slowing down armored thrusts, but Ukraine expects to be liberating Crimea this year, and forcing Russia out of the Donbas in 2024.
But don't let inconvenient facts get in the way of 'bothsaming' Ukraine and Zelensky to Russia and Putin. After all the 'real' enemy is the 'GAE', not the imperialist power invading Ukraine.
>Meatgrinder
>For the other side
>You being the side storming fortifications with infantry
If that is so, then truly you should seek employment as a Russian general, as your understanding of the art of war matches theirs.
What drugs are you on that you've come up with this alternative universe view? This sounds like a Herschel Walker conspiracy. Do you have lingering brain damage?
Russia had the First Guards Tank Army in Harkiv. Backed by reservists and penal battalions.
Bakhmut is a killing ground for Ukraine to draw in and destroy Russian units.
Ukrainians would've fought against Russia regardless of Western aid. There are living elders who remember the Holodomor you deranged lunatic. Which the Russians are openly reenacting. They are slaughtering Ukrainian civilians and boasting about it openly on social media. You're either Russian or a Russian sympathizer you damned pizdă.
LordsFire
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That is literally just Russian propaganda. Like, almost verbatim.
Why do you believe what they say?
I think who wins or loses the war will be determined this year. Russia has the numbers and increasingly the Ukrainians have the quality.This all seems to assume the only reason Ukraine is resisting Putin is because the 'GAE' wants them to.
It completely removes agency from the Ukrainian people, completely ignores that this war could end tomorrow if Putin and Russia just left Ukraine's soil and stopped firing over the border, and equates Zelensky with Putin, which is so disgustingly false I have to wonder how much Russian propaganda you've swallowed uncritically.
Ukraine will achieve victory in the war and remove the Russian invaders from their lands; it will likely take till at least 2024 due to climatic/seasonal weather cycles slowing down armored thrusts, but Ukraine expects to be liberating Crimea this year, and forcing Russia out of the Donbas in 2024.
But don't let inconvenient facts get in the way of 'bothsaming' Ukraine and Zelensky to Russia and Putin. After all the 'real' enemy is the 'GAE', not the imperialist power invading Ukraine.
This will be the make or break year for both of them.
Head of UKR intel says Putin is terminally ill. This is the real reason for the war, so Putin can go out in a 'blaze of glory that leaves a legacy'.
There is no negotiating with someone who has nothing to lose anymore; the only question is who takes over after Putin dies and if they are willing to end this madness of the invasion of Ukraine.
Terthna
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Whoever wins the power struggle after he dies will probably be far worse, and looking to succeed where their predecessor failed.
That is absolutely a possibility.
However, that also means when Putin does kick it, is when the west needs to use whatever assets we can to help make sure whoever succeeds Putin is more likely to end the invasion and madness Putin started.
Because Putin's death has every possibility of kicking off another Russian Civil War, and this time we cannot allow the commies to retain power in Russia, even if it means 'picking' the winner via underhanded means.
Terthna
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That's guaranteed to backfire on us sooner or later; like every other time we've tried "regime change". Probably sooner, considering that the west's own mounting issues are not going to leave us much room to keep propping up whomever we picked; and the moment we stop is the moment they get ousted by those even worse than who we would have ended up with, had we just stayed out of it in the first place. Basically, think Iran; but with already massive nuclear stockpiles.
Then back the ethic groups that want to split off from Russia like the chechinians and the tartars
Ramzan is just as much of a piece of shit as Putin is, unfortunately, if not even more so even his treatment of gay people in Chechnya.
An old Chinese saying is this let the barbarians fight
LordsFire
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You're taking a very lopsided view of history here.
How many results of US meddling that backfired horribly can you name?
How many results of US meddling went positively for the US can you name?
How many results that went positively for the nation they meddled in can you name?
The idea that US involvement axiomatically leads to a bad outcome is a oft-repeated refrain, but have you ever critically analyzed whether it's true or not?
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