Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

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You know that the core of memery is to make sure that there is truth in the meme?
Well this one is based on lying by lack of context.
How much do you know about the functioning of anti missile defenses?
How astute of you to notice.
For the record i'm implying that the answer to my question is "too little to speak of the topic".
 
How astute of you to notice.
And how dumb of you to act like that meme is accurate, instead of purposely misleading about the context of how the Ukrainian missile ended up in Poland.

Because anyone who knows about air defense, and munitions interception, understand debris still has momentum after it is intercepted, and it is also possible the Ukrainian missile accidentally chased a off-target Russian missile into the ground, which would account for the reports of it being two missiles.

And you would know this kinda thing is likely what happened, if you paid attention to more than the 'memes' put out by pro-Russia, anti-Ukraine folks.

But you just want the memes and likes, and don't care about accuracy or context.
Are you trying to suggest this one was also done by USA?
Nah, this pipeline could be UKR SOF doing sabotage work, it could be lack of maintiance on the pipeline, or it could be an idiot with a cigarette where they shouldn't be.

It more's a joke about how Russia is having issues with a lot of domestic infrastructure mysteriously going up in flames, and how they tried to play games around NS1/2 before the blasts ruptured them.
 
Lack of maintenance 10:1 if you look at statistics worldwide. Even in Canada where the Environmental ministry inspectors are anal about their regulations there are 73000 kilometers of pipelines of all types. CER reported 173 for offshore pipes alone in 2017. 2021 had 54 leaks, 14 releasing substance into the area. That is Canada where they spend a significant amount ensuring the pipelines are up to code. Russia doesn't give a damn about environmental disaster unless it affects Moscow and ST Petersburg directly.

I'm pretty sure the explosions at the military factories in Belgorod were Ukrainian. Or it could be anti-Moscow partisans like the ones bombing military bases in Kaliningrad Oblast.
 
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The US Drill would say that.

And as I keep saying, this kinda degradation of the military happens routinely after peace happens.
War will fix it.

Also, the first video invovles mainly other branches complaining about the Army.....
 
It’s almost as if war brings out the worse of people, no matter how much the establishment media will try to cover up their nation’s military misdeeds. Stop acting like Russia’s military are a bunch of ‘orcs’ who are the only ones that have behaved badly in recent years.

Or am I again the only one who remembers that a few years back to when Obama and his predecessors were drone-striking whole families and funeral because there might have been a terrorist in the same crowd? Or the crap that went on in that one US prison in the Middle East?

Hell, on the subject of prisoners, let’s go for a bit more recently with the treatment the January 6th protestors went through at the hands of fellow Americans!

(Also, it assumes that said torture even happened and this wasn’t a American establishment/ Ukrainian psyop to get more money or to help justify the money laundering. Something along the lines of ‘oh we had no idea that Ukraine was laundering money, but we just had to help them! Look at how evil and cruel the Russians are!’. Because let’s be honest the people involved would do anything to save their own asses)
 
It’s almost as if war brings out the worse of people, no matter how much the establishment media will try to cover up their nation’s military misdeeds. Stop acting like Russia’s military are a bunch of ‘orcs’ who are the only ones that have behaved badly in recent years.

Or am I again the only one who remembers that a few years back to when Obama and his predecessors were drone-striking whole families and funeral because there might have been a terrorist in the same crowd? Or the crap that went on in that one US prison in the Middle East?

Hell, on the subject of prisoners, let’s go for a bit more recently with the treatment the January 6th protestors went through at the hands of fellow Americans!

(Also, it assumes that said torture even happened and this wasn’t a American establishment/ Ukrainian psyop to get more money or to help justify the money laundering. Something along the lines of ‘oh we had no idea that Ukraine was laundering money, but we just had to help them! Look at how evil and cruel the Russians are!’. Because let’s be honest the people involved would do anything to save their own asses)
Russians have done this since they were a country
 
It’s almost as if war brings out the worse of people, no matter how much the establishment media will try to cover up their nation’s military misdeeds. Stop acting like Russia’s military are a bunch of ‘orcs’ who are the only ones that have behaved badly in recent years.

Or am I again the only one who remembers that a few years back to when Obama and his predecessors were drone-striking whole families and funeral because there might have been a terrorist in the same crowd? Or the crap that went on in that one US prison in the Middle East?

Hell, on the subject of prisoners, let’s go for a bit more recently with the treatment the January 6th protestors went through at the hands of fellow Americans!

(Also, it assumes that said torture even happened and this wasn’t a American establishment/ Ukrainian psyop to get more money or to help justify the money laundering. Something along the lines of ‘oh we had no idea that Ukraine was laundering money, but we just had to help them! Look at how evil and cruel the Russians are!’. Because let’s be honest the people involved would do anything to save their own asses)
And countries like America, the UK, France and so on haven’t? Spare me.
Yes, yes, go on with the whataboutism; not like people haven't seen this argument a million times, and ripped it to shreds just as often. I have never heard a US service member asking their wife if they could rape women on deployment to a combat zone, but I have very much seen a convo between Russian soldier and his wife asking for permission to rape Ukrainian women.

More than one thing can be true at the same time; it can be true Obama was abusive and excessive in his drone opertions, and it can also be true that Russia operates more like a Mongol or Orc horde than a professional military.

But I know I am talking to a brick wall on this subject, because nothing will ever convince you Ukraine is justified in it's self-defense against the Russian invasion, or that the West isn't wrong to aid Ukraine.
 
It’s almost as if war brings out the worse of people, no matter how much the establishment media will try to cover up their nation’s military misdeeds. Stop acting like Russia’s military are a bunch of ‘orcs’ who are the only ones that have behaved badly in recent years.
Yeah, some third world armies act worse.
Or am I again the only one who remembers that a few years back to when Obama and his predecessors were drone-striking whole families and funeral because there might have been a terrorist in the same crowd? Or the crap that went on in that one US prison in the Middle East?
No comparison in scale and intent. And that prison is something that would be considered a hotel with questionable service by the standards of typical Russian occupied area prison.
Hell, on the subject of prisoners, let’s go for a bit more recently with the treatment the January 6th protestors went through at the hands of fellow Americans!
Yeah, it's a case of Democrats doing shit that countries like Russia normally do, that's the outrageous part.
(Also, it assumes that said torture even happened and this wasn’t a American establishment/ Ukrainian psyop
Go to youtube and watch as many interviews with people who went through Russian captivity as you want, there is a shitload. Soldiers, foreign volunteers, civilians, whoever you trust more.

to get more money or to help justify the money laundering. Something along the lines of ‘oh we had no idea that Ukraine was laundering money, but we just had to help them! Look at how evil and cruel the Russians are!’. Because let’s be honest the people involved would do anything to save their own asses)
Throwing around accusations of financial misdeeds in the defense of Russia is like throwing around accusations of islamic extremism in defense of Al-Qaeda. You are making yourself look ridiculous and everyone who remembers you doing that will take you less seriously for as long as they remeber.
 
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