The Chinese prefer depopulating and colonizing with ethnic Han. As they are doing in Xinjiang and Tibet. If not direct genocide then by sterilization of the local population and settling with their own population. Or the middle ground of forcing targeted populations to marry Chinese men with the Children to be raised Chinese. Second Class Chinese as the greater Han culture will always consider them Outsiders. As is the ongoing case with many populations that became part of China after the Soviet-Sino War ended and the borders were defined.
Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion
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mrttao
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The chinese 1 child policy explicitly exempted minorities. it applied ONLY to ethnic han. which significantly reduced the % of pop that is ethnic han
bintananth
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Chinese attitudes favoring ethnic han males can also get so racist and sexist that the KKK would go "Hold on a sec, you really need to tone that down."
I'm not the one gambline the russians are, they have to think very carefully about how well those 40 year old weapon systems are working and think very carefully about just how much matinance was deferred or if they can trust the people they entrusted with said weapons to do their jobs.
They then have to balance that against the utter anhilation of their county. Not the 'oh were no longer a great power' or 'oh were no longer a regional power but 'oh shit every one is dead kind of ending.
Court in The Hague finds three individuals guilty of the downing of the Dutch MH17 Airliner that killed all 298 people on board that was downed by a Buk Air Defense System that was operated by Russian backed Seperatist forces back in 2014.
The individuals, two Russians and a Ukrainian, were found guilty in abstentia and were sentenced to life in jail. They are:
Russia apparently still denies responsibility and it's unlikely that any of the three will face jail time. However it provides a historical record of the crimes alleged.
MH17: Three guilty as court finds Russia-controlled group downed airliner
A Dutch trial finds a missile supplied by Russia killed 298 people on board MH17 over Ukraine in 2014.
www.bbc.com
The individuals, two Russians and a Ukrainian, were found guilty in abstentia and were sentenced to life in jail. They are:
BBC said:
Russia apparently still denies responsibility and it's unlikely that any of the three will face jail time. However it provides a historical record of the crimes alleged.
mrttao
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> Tried in absentiaCourt in The Hague finds three individuals guilty of the downing of the Dutch MH17 Airliner that killed all 298 people on board that was downed by a Buk Air Defense System that was operated by Russian backed Seperatist forces back in 2014.
MH17: Three guilty as court finds Russia-controlled group downed airliner
A Dutch trial finds a missile supplied by Russia killed 298 people on board MH17 over Ukraine in 2014.www.bbc.com
The individuals, two Russians and a Ukrainian, were found guilty in abstentia and were sentenced to life in jail. They are:
Russia apparently still denies responsibility and it's unlikely that any of the three will face jail time. However it provides a historical record of the crimes alleged.
that is just stupid
> Russia denies guilt
ok? why would they claim guilt?
do the western nations claim guilt for everyone murdered by the various muslim terrorists they gave financial aid to over the years?
Agreed.
Eh, this is way more of a direct and obvious proxy than the western ones. The thing is, I don't see how you get a conviction for an act of war during a war. Or are we going to begin arresting the US government people who ordered drone strikes on innocents? It's no accident that the one guy who bothered tossing up a defense actually got acquitted.
Wars are ugly and messy. So avoid them. The only people who I find it fair to blame for a war are the leaders who caused it, knowing full well hundreds to thousands of innocents would die.
Buba
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Nobody cares. That so-called Court is useless and a bigger waste of money than the UN or Council of Europe.
Dutch Court in The Hague, not 'The Hague' as a synonym of the International Criminal Court AFAIK.
bintananth
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Tried in absentia only makes sense when a) the court actually has jurisdiction and b) the defendant can't or won't show up for the trial or otherwise provide a defense.
No, it never makes sense. It presents the defendant with two shit options, show up (to what is quite possibly a kangaroo court), or don't present a full defense. They are BS and need to die. Besides that, the Dutch court did have jurisdiction, as I believe some of the people on that plane who died were Dutch (America does the same thing. It's the only real way to prosecute terrorists who try to attack people outside their home country).
They might be making arguments of downplaying or whatever but United States never denied their drone program or the USS Vincennes Shootdown of an Iranian Airliner.
One of the reasons cited in the article is that it adds to the historical record.
The MH17 shootdown was when the 'rebels' lost all moral highground.
However much the Maidan may have had some western involvement, nothing the west did justified that shootdown, and I saw in real time how the rebels celebrated downing a transport for like 10 minutes before they realized they hit an airliner.
Then Russia and their proxies were in full ass-covering mode, and made it nearly impossible to actually undertake the investigation or return of bodies while they lied about how 'Ukrainian Su-25's trying to hit the airliner with a A2A missile'.
However much the Maidan may have had some western involvement, nothing the west did justified that shootdown, and I saw in real time how the rebels celebrated downing a transport for like 10 minutes before they realized they hit an airliner.
Then Russia and their proxies were in full ass-covering mode, and made it nearly impossible to actually undertake the investigation or return of bodies while they lied about how 'Ukrainian Su-25's trying to hit the airliner with a A2A missile'.
I found it especially suspicious how much they Celebrated it on live TV in Russia and calling it a righteous act. Two hours later all posts on Twitter, their website were deleted. On TV they changed their narrative to Ukraine shot it down. The air battery unit quickly got moved back over the border and they started tampering with the crash site. Cowards.
bintananth
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I recall a short story titled The Princess and the Pedestrian. The princess bumps a pedestrian in a crosswalk while making a turn at a stoplight after sunset. It is unclear to the responding cop who goofed but it is clear that one or both of them did, is guilty of a minor offense worthy of a small fine, so both get cited at the scene.
Since the heir to the throne is involved there must be trials and everything must be done by the book according to the letter of the law without changing the law. This leads to a dilema because the court which hears such cases and Parliament are in session at the same time. Parliament can't conduct business unless the Princess is presiding and the court can't try either case without the Princess' personal presence.
How that got resolved in-story: The King abdicates so that his daughter can show up for the trials without causing a constitutional crisis. Her Royal Magesty shows up to court, is found guilty of running a stoplight, and fined.
That's an ad absurdum example of a situation where trials in absentia actually do make sense.
mrttao
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The court that convicted them ruled that they thought it was a military plane. It was an act of incompetence according to the court that declared them guilty in absentia.
they were simply incompetent.
that is a retarded and bullshit reason
mrttao
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I recently saw a video where USA congress had some conservative try to question some slimebag about drone striking innocents.
> Was he a terrorist or an aid worker
> slimeball: we do not know. we are starting an investigation
> you should have investigated this before killing him.
... and that was about all that came out of it. as democrats stonewalled it. and usa denied all culpability for drone striking people without even knowing if they are innocent aid workers or terrorists.
Buba
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That was not clear to me - thanks for clarifying.
So the Court apparently established "whodunnit"* - sadly, nothing will be done to the perps.
I suspect that "setting the record straight" might be important not only for the families but also - if not more - for insurance companies.
* - a foregone conclusion, considering the circumstances.
Looks like Russia has another little 'oopsie' with another pipline, this time in Leningrad Oblast.
Ukrainian SOF, or shit maintenance, are about equally as likely to be responsible for this fire.
Hopefully a lot of other important bits of Russian infrastructure keep going up in flame.
Well, now the citizens of Leningrad have a nice fire to keep themselves warm with.
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