Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion
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Brace for more impotent threats.
1. Starlink satellites of all things are so spammable that Russia would have to bankrupt itself trying to shoot down even a quarter of them by conventional means. They could threaten GPS more, at the price of pissing off pretty much everyone.
2. Intel and comms from sats were to some degree shared by all alliance blocks during Cold War and afterwards. Russia can cry that they can't afford satellites as good as current western ones nor allies with such.
3. Retaliatory action would follow, in effect banning Russia from sending anything into space, at least anything meant to stay intact for more than few minutes.
4. Causing Kessler syndrome of a meaningful scale would also piss off pretty much everyone. To the point of making China contemplate a special military operation in Siberia, and USA\EU not complaining about it. Ironically Starlink would be one of few things in space still working somewhat
Turkey has stated that Crimea along with all of the other Ukrainian lands occupied by Russia in 2014 should be restored to Ukraine.
www.politico.eu
This comes days after India's Narendra Modi told Putin "This isn't the time for War." which is true. Since half of India's military is based on Soviet/Russian purchases, that means Russia is the primary supplier of ammunition, spare parts, replacements and OEM/Technical support for basically half of India's military. If India doesn't dance to Russia's tune, all of that could be threatened and even with that aside, not having Russia as a reliable supplier of munitons, replacements and spare parts is already threatened due to Russia's expenditures in Ukraine.
www.politico.eu
Erdoğan to Putin: Return Crimea to ‘rightful owners’
Turkish leader joins parade of leaders dealing blows to Putin.
www.politico.eu
This comes days after India's Narendra Modi told Putin "This isn't the time for War." which is true. Since half of India's military is based on Soviet/Russian purchases, that means Russia is the primary supplier of ammunition, spare parts, replacements and OEM/Technical support for basically half of India's military. If India doesn't dance to Russia's tune, all of that could be threatened and even with that aside, not having Russia as a reliable supplier of munitons, replacements and spare parts is already threatened due to Russia's expenditures in Ukraine.
India’s Modi tells Putin: This is ‘not the era for war’
It’s the second setback for Moscow, a day after Putin admitted China’s Xi has ‘questions’ over his Ukraine war.
www.politico.eu
Turkey has stated that Crimea along with all of the other Ukrainian lands occupied by Russia in 2014 should be restored to Ukraine.
Erdoğan to Putin: Return Crimea to ‘rightful owners’
Turkish leader joins parade of leaders dealing blows to Putin.
This comes days after India's Narendra Modi told Putin "This isn't the time for War." which is true. Since half of India's military is based on Soviet/Russian purchases, that means Russia is the primary supplier of ammunition, spare parts, replacements and OEM/Technical support for basically half of India's military. If India doesn't dance to Russia's tune, all of that could be threatened and even with that aside, not having Russia as a reliable supplier of munitons, replacements and spare parts is already threatened due to Russia's expenditures in Ukraine.
India’s Modi tells Putin: This is ‘not the era for war’
It’s the second setback for Moscow, a day after Putin admitted China’s Xi has ‘questions’ over his Ukraine war.
America and France would gladly sell India much better weapons.
Exactly. The UK and Canada would be happy with larger Arms contracts as well. Russian equipment is horribly user unfriendly. Their tanks have horrid maneuverability at 4 kmh reverse, NATO tanks and armored vehicles have a minimum 30 kmh reverse. Their T-90 is slightly faster at 10 kph. 😆 That sluggish maneuvering have resulted in Russian tanks losing in shooting engagements against more maneuverable armored units.
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Firebat
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India has been in the business of buying weapons for three quarters of the century.
America and France have been in the business of selling weapons even longer than that.
If America and France were actually willing and/or able to sell India much better weapons, they would have done it many decades ago.
The problem with this is two-fold.
1. Up to the War in Ukraine, most of us thought that Russian wartech was at least comparable to what the Western nations had.
2. It also implies that the US wanted to sell those things to India. India has been a competitor and has been somewhat aligned with Russia in the Eastern hemisphere. This means the US didn't want India to have access to all the great toys.
Firebat
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Precisely. The "would glady sell" bit is so full of caveats, whether in the past or the future, that it's basically a lie.
By buying hardware you can't produce or maintain, you are entering a long-term relationship with the provider - for years and decades. "This provider is likely to cut you off at any point, like he did in the past" is a not a good selling point, hence why India's arms imports are what they are. And hence why Indians push so hard for native industry and designs.
It's also the smart way for India to go with China RIGHT THERE.
NOW! Back to Russai vs Ukraine!!!
Terthna
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If that happens, I'm expecting a purge of anyone there who supported the Russians in any way; particularly those who voted to give Crimea to Russia. Not that the rest of the world will care, considering the reaction to the Uyghur genocide.Turkey has stated that Crimea along with all of the other Ukrainian lands occupied by Russia in 2014 should be restored to Ukraine.
Erdoğan to Putin: Return Crimea to ‘rightful owners’
Turkish leader joins parade of leaders dealing blows to Putin.
I'm pretty sure they'll insist on a prisoner swap to recover the two million Ukrainian children and women who were forcibly resettled in Siberia. Currently being housed in massive Russification camps similar to Uyghurs in Xinjiang. Or in the case of children separated from family and "adopted" by "good Russian families." Then there are the tens of thousands of military service age men from those families forced into the Russian Penal Battalions used as cannon fodder. Every single one of the vocal Russian minority who agitated for, "Unification" will be expelled as well the moment those ethnic Ukrainians are recovered.
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Which Russia's probably not able to do because most of those people are probably gone to various slavery centers.
Anything sold to India ran the risk of being passed to Russia and hence stolen by China.
Yeah. That will be hard. Most of what I've spoken of are straight from Russian State TV propaganda and the accounts of active soldiers and their family on Russian Twitter/Facebook equivalent Telegram. And Eastern NATO news. The Russians aren't even hiding it they're recreating the Holodomor in a larger scale as well as outright ethnic mass murder. They're finding new mass graves in every Russian occupied territory the Ukrainians liberate.
My neighbor's Ukrainian husband just died over there. I've known that kid since they moved here to Canada. That poor bastard. He was just here on furlough two weeks ago.
On a more positive news Russia's control is slipping. Former Warsaw Pact vassals in the stans have gone to war over territorial conflicts caused by stupid Soviet decisions made 80 years ago. When they unilaterally relocated ethnic populations and borders for ease of administration and enforcing Russification.
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mrttao
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I notice everyone here is saying that Russia was proven to have inferior military technology.
I am curious what this is based on?
Losses do not necessarily stem from inferior technology.
USA managed to lose multiple wars against vastly inferior tech enemies.
Actually thinking about it, usually those very enemies that defeated USA were using russian military tech.
But victory and defeat have a lot more going into it.
I am not accusing anyone of anything here, just asking if someone can actually explain this.
Where are you all getting the notion that Russia's problem is that its technology is uncompetitive?
I am curious what this is based on?
Losses do not necessarily stem from inferior technology.
USA managed to lose multiple wars against vastly inferior tech enemies.
Actually thinking about it, usually those very enemies that defeated USA were using russian military tech.
But victory and defeat have a lot more going into it.
I am not accusing anyone of anything here, just asking if someone can actually explain this.
Where are you all getting the notion that Russia's problem is that its technology is uncompetitive?
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Lack of precision from supposedly precision weapons
Lack of ability of their AA to act in the missile intercept role
Then there is the seemingly lack of robustness for their systems. This is likely the result of malfeasance in the production/procurement processes (ie. embezzlement), lack of maintenance, lack of training.
Lack of precision from supposedly precision weapons
Lack of ability of their AA to act in the missile intercept role
Then there is the seemingly lack of robustness for their systems. This is likely the result of malfeasance in the production/procurement processes (ie. embezzlement), lack of maintenance, lack of training.
You are sorta right. Russian technology, at least the best of it, while not at the level of western, especially US equivalents in some areas, is not that far behind.
The bigger issue is that:
a) Most of their equipment is not their most advanced equipment.
b) Most of their equipment is poorly maintained. Especially the not newest but still advanced kinds that need expensive spare parts. See: Leaked Moskva technical reports.
c) They skimp on training. Badly. Especially the costly kinds of training.
Point in case:
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Uh...
*looks at Vietnam and how Soviet tech didn't help. Looks at Korea, Soviet tech didn't help. Looks at Iraq, notices complete destruction. Looks at A-stan and complete destruction*
Totally lost to Soviet tech.
The thing they were supposed to be good at. AD, that's it
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