Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Really guys, we should all expect enormous casualties and we should all, also expect endless lies about the true extent thereof.

That's just how it is in that part of the world, historically whenever one or two of these guys get into an ethnic bitchfit they make what happened in Rwanda look tame by comparison.

And that's with them being nice about it.

This is just gonna be awful because again, psychologically they're much more like Central Africa than say Central or Western Europe. The tribal hate and social tensions run deep and are in some cases older than civilization.

 

[BlackDragon98]

I'd take the official Russian number and multiply them by 1.5 or 2.

That probably gives you close to the right numbers.

 

[sillygoose]

I'd take the official Russian number and multiply them by 1.5 or 2.

That probably gives you close to the right numbers.

3-4x is probably more reasonable. I'd be shocked if total Russian casualties by this point are less than 15,000. 4,000 dead is a minimum not counting allied forces of their puppet states.

 

[Agent23]

An impressive number of daily sorties? Where do you get that idea?

Last I checked, the Russian air force has barely made an appearance compared to what would be expected of something that is so large on paper.

https://z.mil.ru/spec_mil_oper/brief/briefings.htm
Here you go.
They state how many targets their air force hits each day.

Um, I have repeatedly posted an archived Russian news source confirming this. And given arguments as to why it is more reliable than your info. The issue I have with you isn't your bias, but you putting no thought into your beliefs, just chugging down whatever you are fed. Seriously, why do you believe this number? What evidence do you have for it other than "The Russian Government said so?" I'd have the same contempt if you just believed everything Ukraine said as well.

Should I trust the Ukrainian government and pro-Ukrainian western media instead?
Same morons who say GG is worse than ISIS.

Sorry, hell no!

I am not saying that they aren't omitting some of their casualties, but at this point there will probably be no source that can give us actual, accurate counts aside what we get from the actual Russian MoD, and everything else is even more suspect.

Also, this is exactly the type of obsessing over I do not think works during a war, a lot of people will die of wounds, so going all autistic about it is not really something I care for.

 

[BlackDragon98]

3-4x is probably more reasonable. I'd be shocked if total Russian casualties by this point are less than 15,000. 4,000 dead is a minimum not counting allied forces of their puppet states.

I was going to say three, but I personally believe there are more wounded than there are dead.

Ukrainian casualties are probably 2 times the Russian numbers.

 

[sillygoose]

I was going to say three, but I personally believe there are more wounded than there are dead.

3:1 wounded to dead is the usual stat. The US threw off that ratio due to spending insane amounts of money on keeping the death rate low even for people that would probably be better off dead from their wounds. For the Russians though 3:1 is probably reasonable.

Ukrainian casualties are probably 2 times the Russian numbers.

I'm not so sure about that, but who knows.

 

[Abhorsen]

Should I trust the Ukrainian government and pro-Ukrainian western media instead?
Same morons who say GG is worse than ISIS.

Sorry, hell no!

No, you shouldn't. That's why I didn't cite them. You also shouldn't just blindly trust the Russians either. Doing either is equally stupid and gulliable.

I am not saying that they aren't omitting some of their casualties, but at this point there will probably be no source that can give us actual, accurate counts aside what we get from the actual Russian MoD, and everything else is even more suspect.

Also, this is exactly the type of obsessing over I do not think works during a war, a lot of people will die of wounds, so going all autistic about it is not really something I care for.

See, the bold part is where you shut off your brain. They are just as unreliable as anyone else. Now internally? They probably have the actual number. But what they share? HA! They lie just like anyone else.

The only true info we are getting is ranges of possibilities. Ukraine's losses are going to be somewhere between UMoD's claims at the low end, and RMoD at the high end. Same with Russian losses, except reversed, with RMoD estimate serving as the low end. The answer is somewhere in the middle on both.

The cool thing about the leak, though, is that this gives a high low-end estimate as it is from the RMoD, which means it is more probably accurate. It's the only number we know with any amount of certainty.


tl;dr: for everyone else talking about death totals: the Russian MoD accidently released death numbers of >9k on March 20th (and 16k wounded), which is the best estimate for losses of either side we have. Now the number is also likely manipulated, but it serves as a solid lowball estimate. Given they claimed 14k Ukraine dead today, I'd go about a 1:1 Ukraine to Russian military losses. Ukraine also likely lost a number of civilians as well.

 

[WolfBear]

You think I'm one of them, which is the polar opposite of the views I hold. You are completely incapable rendering that judgment.



Unless I'm missing something Whitesnake is your bog standard South American style antisemite (Not that he is South American.)...Not a nat soc, easy to confuse the two though since esa gente son big lovers of welfare and the Nazi's were the biggest simps on earth for promiscuity and gibs similar garbage but missing a deadlier edge.

Fried is a Groyper, Groypers aren't Nazi's, they're politically more aligned with Bob Marley than they are Nazis..of course if you told a Groyper that they'd shove their own heads into the nearest oven.

..you know what? Tell more Groypers that. View attachment 1233

What about @Whitestrake Pelinal?

 

[WolfBear]

In a VERY enlightening twitter rant, 248k follow account Louise Mensch claims that kicking out Putin and bringing Russia to heel will be revenge for 2016, Covid misinfo, the Scottish referendum, and the Trucker Rally:

The problem with discourse about this war? People like this woman are in the driver’s seat. And yeah, she might be overtly nutty and got ratioed hard in that rant, but there are certainly many like-minded people out there, who share the idea that there’s a direct line from Brexit to Trump to anti-lockdown protestors to J6, and that line leads to Russia. 6 years of lies can do that. And no doubt, in their twisted minds, the idea is forming that after they take “revenge” on Russia, it will be time to take the “Russian puppets” at home to task.
This isn’t getting into the ballyhoo that Ukraine is a testing ground for the World Economic Forum.

It's quite interesting; online, it's a war between her and the Russian troll farms!

 

[Agent23]

No, you shouldn't. That's why I didn't cite them. You also shouldn't just blindly trust the Russians either. Doing either is equally stupid and gulliable.

See, the bold part is where you shut off your brain. They are just as unreliable as anyone else. Now internally? They probably have the actual number. But what they share? HA! They lie just like anyone else.

The only true info we are getting is ranges of possibilities. Ukraine's losses are going to be somewhere between UMoD's claims at the low end, and RMoD at the high end. Same with Russian losses, except reversed, with RMoD estimate serving as the low end. The answer is somewhere in the middle on both.

The cool thing about the leak, though, is that this gives a high low-end estimate as it is from the RMoD, which means it is more probably accurate. It's the only number we know with any amount of certainty.


tl;dr: for everyone else talking about death totals: the Russian MoD accidently released death numbers of >9k on March 20th (and 16k wounded), which is the best estimate for losses of either side we have. Now the number is also likely manipulated, but it serves as a solid lowball estimate. Given they claimed 14k Ukraine dead today, I'd go about a 1:1 Ukraine to Russian military losses. Ukraine also likely lost a number of civilians as well.

As I said, obsessing over this is irrelevant, personally I doubt the ratios are anywhere near 1:1 though, it depends who you trust, and I have more trust where this conflict is concerned for the Russians than I do for anyone else.
Call me biased, tell me I am shutting down my brain, whatever.

It's quite interesting; online, it's a war between her and the Russian troll farms!

I guess you are With Her, eh?

 

[WolfBear]

I guess you are With Her, eh?

Let's just say that I admire her combative spirit and feistyness!

 

[Agent23]

Let's just say that I admire her combative spirit and feistyness!

She is a mentally ill, power-hungry hag.

 

[WolfBear]

She is a mentally ill, power-hungry hag.

She's a hott bitch!

 

[Agent23]

She's a hott bitch!

That is Hillary?

 

[WolfBear]

That is Hillary?

No, Louise Mensch. Though Hillary Clinton is also an older hott bitch!

 

[Agent23]

No, Louise Mensch. Though Hillary Clinton is also an older hott bitch!

Literally who?

Anyway, take aspirin and multivitamins, also limit your physical activity, I hear the COVID jab can cause temporary mental disturbances.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Russian biased media knows how to troll.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

No, Louise Mensch. Though Hillary Clinton is also an older hott bitch!

 

[SchrodingersWehraboo]

Russian biased media knows how to troll.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Give someone the chance and they'll press for it.