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Attacks not on your character, your political views specifically.
Nice of you to admit your true feelings, but that doesn't change the fact that when you're specifically namecalling movements you know little about Nazis and bigots, your defense is that its an ad hominem attack to compare you politically to the people most famous for calling everyone they don't like Nazis both in this specific case and in general behavior.

I sympathize with your position, I like Poles, you guys are tough bastards and the ultimate survivors and IIRC you guys were some of the few fuckers who as mercenaries were able to stop the Mongols.

Also you know, you're like the only country in the EU that actually cares about its citizens.

But I also don't want to sacrifice my foster home and what little is left of its prosperity because two tribes of your lesser kindred decided to go apeshit at each other at everyone else's expense


I hate how this war has shown that people will suck off a dictators cock because he is "Based" when he did what our current administration is trying by taking sole power.

Who the fuck on this site is doing that? Dude this isn't/Pol where a bunch of Mexican, Arab, African, Serbian mutts post about how white they are :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

What it seems like is most of us are of the mind that, the entire region is a shitshow and we have bigger domestic problems that if not attended too. Will cause a global catastrophe And so we shouldn't waste our resources and time.

Christ all mighty it's like you people learned nothing from 2003.

Chill with your psyops glowie-kun they stopped working when Reagan retired and his successor was the filthy CIA dirt bag who tried to murder him via weaponized schizophrenia and destroyed the conservative movement from within for profit.

Edited - in the off chance me using the term pollock in a parodyesque way and in no way seriously gets misconstrued as bigoted.
 
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Last time i checked EU was an alliance of still sovereign countries. The consensus in Poland is that we would prefer it to stay that way as indefinite status quo. Sovereign countries, last time i checked, have their own economies and growth rates.
1. Most countries in the block use the Euro or peg their currencies to it.
2. All of the external restrictions and block level regulations serve to increase intra-EU trade.
3. Energy and food are the base of the entire economic structure.
4. This spergout caused the EU to force everyone to follow the same idiotic playbook of sanctions.
5. In 2021, the total trade in goods between the EU and Russia amounted to €257.5 billion.

I have no idea if you are playing dumb here, or if you are just that clueless as to how inter-dependent the EU economies have grown.

I see a circular argument in that statement and i have a solution to it.
Russia is a great power because it has the power to boss around its smaller neighbors.
Russia should be allowed to boss around and make demands of its smaller neighbors because its a great power.
Solution:
The west helps one of the smaller neighbors kick Russia's ass. First statement becomes de facto false, Russia stops being a great power, becomes just a middle one, as some already predicted.
All the related questions, controversies and arguments are solved.
Looking at current events, i may not be the first one who got that idea.

Russia could have made Belarus neutral and Belarus would have no choice in that, especially after it became fully reliant on Russia, but didn't. We all know why.
Again, you geniuses tried to color revolution Lukashenko, you are responsible for him becoming Putin-senpai's biggest fan.
Thus far, your shenanigans have:
Solidified public support behind Putin.
Made Russia and China even closer.
Probably irrevocably damaged the petro-dollar.
Made sure that 53% of the planet aligns behind the China-Russia block.


I'm pretty sure the bear did its fair share of mauling, and that got it poked.


Its not unearned on their part.
Ree some more.
 
I sympathize with your position, I like Poles, you guys are tough bastards and the ultimate survivors and IIRC you guys were some of the few fuckers who as mercenaries were able to stop the Mongols.

Also you know, you're like the only country in the EU that actually cares about its citizens.

But I also don't want to sacrifice my foster home and what little is left of its prosperity because two tribes of your lesser kindred decided to go apeshit at each other at everyone else's expense




Who the fuck on this site is doing that? Dude this isn't/Pol where a bunch of Mexican, Arab, African, Serbian mutts post about how white they are :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

What it seems like is most of us are of the mind that, the entire region is a shitshow and we have bigger domestic problems that if not attended too. Will cause a global catastrophe And so we shouldn't waste our resources and time.

Christ all mighty it's like you people learned nothing from 2003.

Chill with your psyops glowie-kun they stopped working when Reagan retired and his successor was the filthy CIA dirt bag who tried to murder him via weaponized schizophrenia and destroyed the conservative movement from within for profit.

Edited - in the off chance me using the term pollock in a parodyesque way and in no way seriously gets misconstrued as bigoted.
Plenty if people actually
 
Attacks not on your character, your political views specifically.
Nice of you to admit your true feelings, but that doesn't change the fact that when you're specifically namecalling movements you know little about Nazis and bigots, your defense is that its an ad hominem attack to compare you politically to the people most famous for calling everyone they don't like Nazis both in this specific case and in general behavior.
Bigotry didn't cease to exist as a result of the establishment figuring out that accusing people of bigotry was an easy way to discredit their opposition, and distract from their own acts of bigotry. On this forum alone, we have examples in the form of Whitestrake Pelinal and FriedCFour; users who have argued positions that most everyone here would agree are extremely bigoted. Like that we should reinstitute slavery, and take away women's right to vote. In the same vein, the Azov Battalion aren't trying to hide what they're all about; their ideology is a matter of public record, in spite of your attempts to obfuscate the facts. Which is why the establishment isn't taking the same boneheaded tactic you are; they're just claiming that the Azov Battalion don't have a great deal of support.

What you're trying to do here is equal parts blatantly obvious and utterly ridiculous, not to mention rather pathetic in light of how far you've proven willing to take it. Calling people "leftists" (with is doubly ironic in my case, seeing as I am a self-avowed leftist; though one who opposes the mainstream regressive left) for not supporting Ukraine and war with Russia, is stupid on its face because the entire establishment (including and especially the regressive left) has been arguing heavily in favor of those things for the past eight years, with only a few blips such as that one letter in 2019 you keep bringing up that never went anywhere.
 
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1. Most countries in the block use the Euro or peg their currencies to it.
2. All of the external restrictions and block level regulations serve to increase intra-EU trade.
3. Energy and food are the base of the entire economic structure.
4. This spergout caused the EU to force everyone to follow the same idiotic playbook of sanctions.
5. In 2021, the total trade in goods between the EU and Russia amounted to €257.5 billion.

I have no idea if you are playing dumb here, or if you are just that clueless as to how inter-dependent the EU economies have grown.
So? The same goes for the nearby small non-EU countries. Or for Mexico and USA. That's how modern global trade works by default, EU takes it further, and adds a lot of bureaucratic overhead like mentioned agricultural subsidy games with their political background.

Again, you geniuses tried to color revolution Lukashenko, you are responsible for him becoming Putin-senpai's biggest fan.
That's just a petty pro-Kremlin puppet point. Why do you think anyone tried to color revolution Lukashenko? Sure, he was willing to take western money, but whatever, anyone can do that, why not. In terms of political deals, military deals etc he was getting closer with Russia anyway, and it was always clear that the question of whether they will become closer allies is when, not if. The attempt to break Belarus out of that course probably sped it up, but it didn't fundamentally change where it was going.

Thus far, your shenanigans have:
Solidified public support behind Putin.
Well if true, won't be for long with the sanctions, that was one of Putin's motivations behind the war.

Made Russia and China even closer.
By necessity, not by choice, might sour their relation badly once they realize the implications.

Probably irrevocably damaged the petro-dollar.
Made sure that 53% of the planet aligns behind the China-Russia block.
Lol, that's a surprisingly precise and probably wrong figure.
And the petro-dollar damage surprisingly coincides with democrats trying to push a new, even stupider deal with Iran, news of which came out a few months earlier, which pissess off the Sunni Gulf States to no end. They probably mind that much more than a competitor in oil production getting sanctioned.
Bigotry didn't cease to exist as a result of the establishment figuring out that accusing people of bigotry was an easy way to discredit their opposition, and distract from their own acts of bigotry. On this forum alone, we have examples in the form of Whitestrake Pelinal and FriedCFour; users who have argued positions that most everyone here would agree are extremely bigoted. Like that we should reinstitute slavery, and take away women's right to vote. In the same vein, the Azov Battalion aren't trying to hide what they're all about; their ideology is a matter of public record, in spite of your attempts to obfuscate the facts. Which is why the establishment isn't taking the same boneheaded tactic you are; they're just claiming that the Azov Battalion don't have a great deal of support.
What ideology? Did you read it? Can you even read it in the original? Do they even have something resembling a single, coherent ideology? No, the best you have is some questionable translations and soyfaces pointing at combatants with muh hate symbols.
Something that was not even that unusual for US military a few decades ago.
Obsessing about stuff like that is not a reasonable thing to do. Its a modern western establishment political sport to obsessively hunt about political incorrectness and let the result decide any further interaction with those found to be questionable, and its doubly ridiculous for people who sometimes end up on the business end of this activity to repeat it regarding to people to the right of them, or just weird movements from far away.
Don't care, doesn't matter, not as bad or important as those outraged imply, and yes, they aren't a huge movement either.
What you're trying to do here is equal parts blatantly obvious and utterly ridiculous, not to mention rather pathetic in light of how far you've proven willing to take it. Calling people "leftists" (with is doubly ironic in my case, seeing as I am a self-avowed leftist; though one who opposes the mainstream regressive left) for not supporting Ukraine and war with Russia, is stupid on its face because the entire establishment (including and especially the regressive left) has been arguing heavily in favor of those things for the past eight years, with only a few blips such as that one letter in 2019 you keep bringing up that never went anywhere.
Excellent, so now we have everything cleared up. It is a leftist thing to pick at such ideological points, and what you take offense at is being compared to establishment leftists who are not being as staunchly and consistently leftist in their policy towards Ukraine as other leftists would expect them to be, just to stick it to Russia.
For those who aren't leftists though, there is less controversy in this choice - its hypocritical for leftists to make such exceptions from their leftist principles, but for people who don't share those, that's just the norm.
 
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So? The same goes for the nearby small non-EU countries. Or for Mexico and USA. That's how modern global trade works by default, EU takes it further, and adds a lot of bureaucratic overhead like mentioned agricultural subsidy games with their political background.
Which makes us even more susceptible to contagion.
Prices are skyrocketing and the value of the Euro relative to the USD has decreased.
Inflation was over 5% before this shit started and the ECB is using it for an excuse to print more money, while the real economy is suffering and we are seeing supply chain disruptions.
Have fun paying at least 30% more for gas, heating and food.

That's just a petty pro-Kremlin puppet point. Why do you think anyone tried to color revolution Lukashenko? Sure, he was willing to take western money, but whatever, anyone can do that, why not. In terms of political deals, military deals etc he was getting closer with Russia anyway, and it was always clear that the question of whether they will become closer allies is when, not if. The attempt to break Belarus out of that course probably sped it up, but it didn't fundamentally change where it was going.
Again with the stupid ad hominem.Bub, those went out of fashion back in 2012!

Well if true, won't be for long with the sanctions, that was one of Putin's motivations behind the war.
Sure, sanctions work very well, ask Cuba, Venezuela and Syria, I mean their regimes got toppled almost isnta...no, wait...

By necessity, not by choice, might sour their relation badly once they realize the implications.
Oh, and what results might those be?


Lol, that's a surprisingly precise and probably wrong figure.
And the petro-dollar damage surprisingly coincides with democrats trying to push a new, even stupider deal with Iran, news of which came out a few months earlier, which pissess off the Sunni Gulf States to no end. They probably mind that much more than a competitor in oil production getting sanctioned.
Yeah, and MBS won't take Brandon's calls, won't see Bojo and has greenlit selling Saudi oil for Yuan.
Trust is the main reason people still invest in the west and hold US debt and use the dollar.
This was a massive erosion in trust.

What ideology? Did you read it? Can you even read it in the original? Do they even have something resembling a single, coherent ideology? No, the best you have is some questionable translations and soyfaces pointing at combatants with muh hate symbols.
Something that was not even that unusual for US military a few decades ago.
Obsessing about stuff like that is not a reasonable thing to do. Its a modern western establishment political sport to obsessively hunt about political incorrectness and let the result decide any further interaction with those found to be questiobale, and its doubly ridiculous for people who sometimes end up on the business end of this activity to repeat it regarding to people to the right of them, or just weird movements from far away.
Don't care, doesn't matter, not as bad or important as those outraged imply, and yes, they aren't a huge movement either.

Excellent, so now we have everything cleared up. It is a leftist thing to pick at such ideological points, and what you take offense at is being compared to establishment leftists who are not being as staunchly and consistently leftist in their policy towards Ukraine as other leftists would expect them to be, just to stick it to Russia.
For those who aren't leftists though, there is less controversy in this choice - its hypocritical for leftists to make such exceptions from their leftist principles, but for people who don't share those, that's just the norm.
I guess you really can't learn new tricks, come on, the "Ree, you are antifa/establishment/RINO" card is one you have played already and no one gives a fuck.

Roll over, play dead, fetch a stick, or a frisbee.
Bark out the Polish national anthem.
 
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Which makes us even more susceptible to contagion.
Prices are skyrocketing and the value of the Euro relative to the USD has decreased.
Inflation was over 5% before this shit started and the ECB is using it for an excuse to print more money, while the real economy is suffering and we are seeing supply chain disruptions.
Have fun paying at least 30% more for gas, heating and food.
And that shit was already going on months before the war. Just fruits of the whole period of stupid corona related policy finally blooming.

Sure, sanctions work very well, ask Cuba, Venezuela and Syria, I mean their regimes got toppled almost isnta...no, wait...
Lower support =/= gonna be overthrown soon.

Oh, and what results might those be?
Fact is that China is pretty known for fucking over their partners for fun and profit.
Now they know that Russia has little choice but to deal with them even if China did fuck them over.
What would China do with the power of a near-monopolist?
Probably nothing nice.


Yeah, and MBS won't take Brandon's calls, won't see Bojo and has greenlit selling Saudi oil for Yuan.
Trust is the main reason people still invest in the west and hold US debt and use the dollar.
This was a massive erosion in trust.
Raises the question of what the hell do the Ayatollahs have on the DNC, or if its just DNC being stupid or corrupt.

I guess you really can't learn new tricks, come on, the "Ree, you are antifa/establishment/RINO" card is one you have played already and no one gives a fuck.

Roll over, play dead, fetch a stick, or a frisbee.
Bark out the Polish national anthem.
Funny how you had no argument against that, just shitty quips.
 
And that shit was already going on months before the war. Just fruits of the whole period of stupid corona related policy finally blooming.
And instead of getting better it is going to get even worse.

Lower support =/= gonna be overthrown soon.
Sanctions don't work.

Fact is that China is pretty known for fucking over their partners for fun and profit.
Now they know that Russia has little choice but to deal with them even if China did fuck them over.
What would China do with the power of a near-monopolist?
Probably nothing nice.
Yeah, ok, reading about your hopes and your copium addiction is entertaining, if nothing else.

Raises the question of what the hell do the Ayatollahs have on the DNC, or if its just DNC being stupid or corrupt.
Off topic.

Funny how you had no argument against that, just shitty quips.
Honestly I didn't even skim your little wall of gibberish targeted at @Terthna I saw some of the usual "ree, U leftist..." and I responded accordingly.
 
Plenty if people actually

Translation: if you aren't baying for Russian blood and praying for nuclear war. You're on the side of Putin.

You're disingenuous as fuck.

NATO is evil, objectively so because it's an enforcement arm of the global cabal trying to enslave humanity. Putin is also evil because he wants to be the slave master and not NATO.

Zelensky made a billion dollars by turning his country into a human trafficking hub.

This ain't the cold war.

No one is benevolent, everyone is shit and pretending otherwise is frankly? Kinda unpatriotic.
 
Translation: if you aren't baying for Russian blood and praying for nuclear war. You're on the side of Putin.

You're disingenuous as fuck.

NATO is evil, objectively so because it's an enforcement arm of the global cabal trying to enslave humanity. Putin is also evil because he wants to be the slave master and not NATO.

Zelensky made a billion dollars by turning his country into a human trafficking hub.

This ain't the cold war.

No one is benevolent, everyone is shit and pretending otherwise is frankly? Kinda unpatriotic.

This is true.

Pretty much everyone is some flavor of dick, but that's how its worked through out most of human history.

When the last term of modernity died there were two nations vying to be the leaders of the mediterarian civiliazations Rome and Carthrage and at the end of the day there was only room for one. Carthrage had things going for it but they were just as dickish as rome and at the end of the day they were destroyed and rome became the empire.

Russia as much as it says is the third Rome, might just end up as a second Carthrage.
 
This is true.

Pretty much everyone is some flavor of dick, but that's how its worked through out most of human history.

Sure and if we were every other dominant civilization in human history, maybe using this as a pretext to topple the snowy selucids would be a good idea.

We are kinda too fucked up internally, defeating Russia right now directly empowers the elite who want to reduce us to chattle and China grows stronger off our strife.

Tldr: we need to put our house in order first.
 
Sure and if we were every other dominant civilization in human history, maybe using this as a pretext to topple the snowy selucids would be a good idea.

We are kinda too fucked up internally, defeating Russia right now directly empowers the elite who want to reduce us to chattle and China grows stronger off our strife.

Tldr: we need to put our house in order first.

Personally I think its because our house is so in disorder that I have no problem fighting to the very last Ukranian.

I don't think we are capable of winning a war with anyone not with our fuck tarded current leadership, and allowing Russia to become strong during these times is not a wise idea because we have clashed with them for generations. Sending the Ukrainains weapons and bleeding the russians white while we attempt to fix our own issues is a decent enough idea.

I mean its a dick move to the Ukranians but honestly there is nothing there we care about having them die instead of the poles and the balts and risking world war 3 for real might be the realistic move.
 
Translation: if you aren't baying for Russian blood and praying for nuclear war. You're on the side of Putin.

You're disingenuous as fuck.

NATO is evil, objectively so because it's an enforcement arm of the global cabal trying to enslave humanity. Putin is also evil because he wants to be the slave master and not NATO.

Zelensky made a billion dollars by turning his country into a human trafficking hub.

This ain't the cold war.

No one is benevolent, everyone is shit and pretending otherwise is frankly? Kinda unpatriotic.
Putin is not only wrong and evil, he's also a moron on par with Biden, if not worse. Putin is among the very last people on the planet anyone should be cheering on.

A former spook, considered very mediocre at his job and constantly ridiculed and bullied by his peers (his nickname in KGB training was "cigarette butt"), rose to power as a KGB puppet and managed to seize absolute dictatorial power.

Now he attacks Ukraine unprovoked (the Donbass and oh em gee scary NATO bullshit are flimsier excuses than WMDs, which Putin quickly realized, hence literally switching to WMD excuses mid-war).

To be honest? As an ethnic Russian who has an aunt, cousin and her family still living in Russia: yes, I AM baying for Russian blood, if that's the only thing that will stop the deranged modern Hitler in the east.

Долой Пидароссия!
 
Zelensky made a billion dollars by turning his country into a human trafficking hub.

Regarding the super uber corrupt Zelensky, he's so super uber corrupt that so far he refused several offers to transfer him to the US or to Germany, in order to stay in Kiev and continue providing moral support to his people.

Clearly the behavior of someone only interested in money... This line of transparent propaganda about his supposed corruption is about as convincing as the Nazi bullshit based on Azov, by which I mean not at all.
 
Regarding the super uber corrupt Zelensky, he's so super uber corrupt that so far he refused several offers to transfer him to the US or to Germany, in order to stay in Kiev and continue providing moral support to his people.

Clearly the behavior of someone only interested in money... This line of transparent propaganda about his supposed corruption is about as convincing as the Nazi bullshit based on Azov, by which I mean not at all.

Yeah, you're defending a guy who trafficks children for profit.

You have absolutely zero moral ground to stand on.

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To be honest? As an ethnic Russian who has an aunt, cousin and her family still living in Russia: yes, I AM baying for Russian blood, if that's the only thing that will stop the deranged modern Hitler in the east.

Долой Пидароссия!

In order to save my extended family! I want them to be incinerated in nuclear hellfire!

I think this is actually worse than you defending a globalist pimp.

There's a special place in hell for those who betray their own kind for dopamine my friend.

Edit- it just amuses me that you think I'm a Putin shill when I call him a monkey and make designated shitting igloo jokes about how primitive and filthy Russia is.

I dont care about Putin, I don't care about Eastern Europe at all. The whole region means nothing to me.

I only care about American citizens. The rest of the world can rot.
 
Yeah, you're defending a guy who trafficks children for profit.

You have absolutely zero moral ground to stand on.

Do you think that Ukraine would have the support it does if it didn't ingage in some serious corrupt shit?

I mean yeah their bad guys but trying to be a decent guy doesn't get Biden and the left to care about you. Bribes and incriminating evidence is what gets them to care about you.
 
Translation: if you aren't baying for Russian blood and praying for nuclear war. You're on the side of Putin.

You're disingenuous as fuck.

NATO is evil, objectively so because it's an enforcement arm of the global cabal trying to enslave humanity. Putin is also evil because he wants to be the slave master and not NATO.

Zelensky made a billion dollars by turning his country into a human trafficking hub.

This ain't the cold war.

No one is benevolent, everyone is shit and pretending otherwise is frankly? Kinda unpatriotic.
Where are these human trafficking accusations coming from?
According to any official data, Ukraine is not doing badly for a shitpoor country in Eastern Europe when it comes to limiting human trafficking.
Russia and its allies are in fact on a higher tier in that:
 
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