Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

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PsihoKekec

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81% definitely does NOT sound one sided to me. 19% is quite a significant casualty rate. To me it just says Ukrainian forces are better trained, not that they're the perpetrators.
Ukrainians inflicted four times as many civilian casualties as Donbass forces because they were better trained? Usually the better trained side inflicts less civilian casualties than the less trained side. And honestly, you really don't need to be well trained to shell the civilians, like the Ukrainian Army did, ever since the rebellion in Donbass started.
 

Marduk

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Ukrainians inflicted four times as many civilian casualties as Donbass forces because they were better trained? Usually the better trained side inflicts less civilian casualties than the less trained side. And honestly, you really don't need to be well trained to shell the civilians, like the Ukrainian Army did, ever since the rebellion in Donbass started.
Or alternatively, Ukrainian Army is better at protecting its own troops and civilians, while cannon fodder separatists say fuck it.
 

Bacle

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Well, guess it's official; Russia isn't getting normal relations back with the West till Putin is no longer in the government in anyway.

Edit: Also looks like Russia's space program is not supporting Putin's war, if they are willing to make a statement like this:
 
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Captain X

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Putin being forced out of the government, even if it's literally just him retiring to his massive mansion instead of anything involving violence, is about the only way Russia makes it out of this relatively unscathed.
 

Marduk

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Putin being forced out of the government, even if it's literally just him retiring to his massive mansion instead of anything involving violence, is about the only way Russia makes it out of this relatively unscathed.
Indeed. A change at the helm to someone who doesn't have the need to hold Putin's ideological line of "Ukraine and Russia are one nation whether the former like it or not" just for the sake of saving face if nothing else opens up political solutions that are just simply impossible with Putin at the helm. Preferably someone willing to accept the reality that Ukrainians are perfectly willing to kill tens of thousands of Russians in order to not be ruled by Russia, directly or indirectly.
 

Terthna

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Even Azov, for a Nazi organization, have quite a bunch of Jewish fighters, in addition to taking orders form a Jew and being sponsored by another Jew.
The original Nazis also had Jews fighting on their side, such as General of the Air Force Helmuth Wilberg. They even had Jews backing their rise to power, in the form of the Association of German National Jews.



Putin being forced out of the government, even if it's literally just him retiring to his massive mansion instead of anything involving violence, is about the only way Russia makes it out of this relatively unscathed.
Even if it did happen, any Russian politician in a position to replace him not only supports invading Ukraine, but would have done so using far less restraint than Putin. They'd have to overthrow the entire Russian government, and start over from scratch in order to get someone who doesn't; and even then, assuming that they managed to not put someone even worse in power, the west isn't going to let go of their new justification for increased authoritarianism that easily.
 
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Terthna

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Has anyone else brought up the Russian Foreign Minister praising Fox News for their coverage!!!

There really is no way that being applauded by Russian State Propaganda is going to look good?

I'll say this much; watching Fox New's coverage of the conflict in Ukraine has done a lot to make me more inclined to support Russia, simply due to the sheer idiocy and blatant lies they have on display.
 

The Original Sixth

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Putin being forced out of the government, even if it's literally just him retiring to his massive mansion instead of anything involving violence, is about the only way Russia makes it out of this relatively unscathed.

No, it really isn't.

The damage to Russia's economy is pretty heavy right now, but Russia's population won't starve and all indications appear to be that Putin's popularity has grown, not shrunk since the war began. Putin didn't slap his own country with sanctions. The West did. And all Putin has to do is to point at the hypocrisy; no-one slapped the US with sanctions when it intervened in Libya. No one slapped the US with sanctions when it provides assistance to the Saudi's with their war in Yemen. Or any other American interventions within the Middle East. To the average Russian citizen, that's going to be a rather convincing argument.

More to the point, the Americans can't shut Russia out of the global economy. Russia's wheat, fertilizer, and oil/gas exports are just too large and important to the rest of the world. In some cases, several African countries are 100% reliant upon Ukrainian and Russian wheat exports. Using SWIFT against the Russians was damned foolish, because the Chinese know they're going to be next and instead of scrambling when the US finally unleashes it upon them, they're going to let the Russians beta test the first post-American Dollar system.
 

Arch Dornan

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No, it really isn't.

The damage to Russia's economy is pretty heavy right now, but Russia's population won't starve and all indications appear to be that Putin's popularity has grown, not shrunk since the war began. Putin didn't slap his own country with sanctions. The West did. And all Putin has to do is to point at the hypocrisy; no-one slapped the US with sanctions when it intervened in Libya. No one slapped the US with sanctions when it provides assistance to the Saudi's with their war in Yemen. Or any other American interventions within the Middle East. To the average Russian citizen, that's going to be a rather convincing argument.

More to the point, the Americans can't shut Russia out of the global economy. Russia's wheat, fertilizer, and oil/gas exports are just too large and important to the rest of the world. In some cases, several African countries are 100% reliant upon Ukrainian and Russian wheat exports. Using SWIFT against the Russians was damned foolish, because the Chinese know they're going to be next and instead of scrambling when the US finally unleashes it upon them, they're going to let the Russians beta test the first post-American Dollar system.
Have you watched the Duran? Their analysis on the affect of the sanctions on Russia mentioned what you said.
 

Cherico

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No, it really isn't.

The damage to Russia's economy is pretty heavy right now, but Russia's population won't starve and all indications appear to be that Putin's popularity has grown, not shrunk since the war began. Putin didn't slap his own country with sanctions. The West did. And all Putin has to do is to point at the hypocrisy; no-one slapped the US with sanctions when it intervened in Libya. No one slapped the US with sanctions when it provides assistance to the Saudi's with their war in Yemen. Or any other American interventions within the Middle East. To the average Russian citizen, that's going to be a rather convincing argument.

More to the point, the Americans can't shut Russia out of the global economy. Russia's wheat, fertilizer, and oil/gas exports are just too large and important to the rest of the world. In some cases, several African countries are 100% reliant upon Ukrainian and Russian wheat exports. Using SWIFT against the Russians was damned foolish, because the Chinese know they're going to be next and instead of scrambling when the US finally unleashes it upon them, they're going to let the Russians beta test the first post-American Dollar system.

The smart move would have been to simply arm the ukranians and support a long painful insurgency, this over reaction isn't helpful but then again Biden is an idiot.
 

ATP

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The smart move would have been to simply arm the ukranians and support a long painful insurgency, this over reaction isn't helpful but then again Biden is an idiot.
Or his handlers are geniuses who want big bloody war which distract american enough to win election.
 

Sobek

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I kinda don't give a shit about Ukraine's corrupt globalist loving oligarchs and Russia's corrupt russian mafia oligarchs killing innocents from bkth nations on this shit.

Ukraine is stupid corrupt. Zalensky treats oposition as bad as Putin does, as did his predecesor. This entire thing comes from NATO and the EU hanging a carrot over Ukraine for decades that they were just about to let them on western blocs only to never do it.

These sanctions on Russia are hurting people who already dislike Putin the most, while galvanizing those that support him as proof the west is out to get them and that Brussels and Washington want gay pride parades in Moscow as a matter of destroying Russia's soul, not equality.

The sanctions are creating a monster. The constant Ukrainian jerking over the last 10 years has destroyed the posibility of a united front with the actual enemy in Beijing, and instead we now pushed Russia towards China.

Fucking hubris. Absolute disgusting behaviour from people who should have been better than Putin. We have sold the future to China because a bunch of retarded boomers in D.C. couldn't say not to bribes from Ukrainian mafia Gazprom wannabe.
 

Captain X

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No, it really isn't.

The damage to Russia's economy is pretty heavy right now, but Russia's population won't starve and all indications appear to be that Putin's popularity has grown, not shrunk since the war began. Putin didn't slap his own country with sanctions.
No, instead what he's done is to go all 1984 on his country. I have little doubt that this is the only reason he popularity has supposedly grown, too.

You know, for all you and others like to try to make this contrast between Putin and Western Globalists, there really isn't all that much difference between them other than the exact things they lie about, and the specific manner in which they express their tyranny. :cautious:
 

WolfBear

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The original Nazis also had Jews fighting on their side, such as General of the Air Force Helmuth Wilberg. They even had Jews backing their rise to power, in the form of the Association of German National Jews.

The Nazis did not support the AGNJ, which is why they disbanded a couple of years after the Nazis came to power. Is a huge shame that the Nazis could not see potential Jewish allies for what they actually were.
 
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