Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion
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TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
You can ree at me all you want, that won't change the fact that Russia started a war of aggression, or the fact that you're acting like a cheerleader for them. And while you can't change what Russia does, you can sure change what you do.
Just like North Vietnam did the Gulf of Tonkin?
Just like Saddam had WMDs?
I thought my jokes were bad. 😂
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
That's rich coming from an imperialist neocon.
I'm libertarian. Are you going to go full leftist now and claim I'm not?
Jewish Ukrainians gear up for fierce Russia fight, alongside the 'neo-Nazis' they say Putin is lying about - Jewish Telegraphic Agency
"Ukrainian Jews are not silent when injustice is going on. This is what being Jewish is all about,” said Daniel Kovzhun, who is preparing to defend Kyiv with a gun he doesn't know how to shoot.
www.jta.org
Even Azov, for a Nazi organization, have quite a bunch of Jewish fighters, in addition to taking orders form a Jew and being sponsored by another Jew.Jewish Ukrainians gear up for fierce Russia fight, alongside the 'neo-Nazis' they say Putin is lying about - Jewish Telegraphic Agency
"Ukrainian Jews are not silent when injustice is going on. This is what being Jewish is all about,” said Daniel Kovzhun, who is preparing to defend Kyiv with a gun he doesn't know how to shoot.
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Can you pull Klaus Schwab's dick out of your ear for a moment (yes, it is this small) and try to at least listen to what we're trying to say before screeching your daily dose of leftard/NWO/WEF propaganda, as mandated by Order 6969?
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
You know, I might have considered you as having been making an honest argument until we got to this point.
No matter how many fascists are or are not in the Ukrainian government, no matter how Zelensky did or did not get into power, no matter whether or not he did stupid things once he got there...
1. Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way. Without even a formal declaration of war.
2. Ukraine had not even threatened to invade Russia, nor did they start a troop build-up unprovoked, so this cannot be see as justified pre-emptive strike.
3. Whether joining NATO can be seen as ultimately legitimate or not, even if Ukraine might have been on the path to doing so (which is arguable), it wasn't right about to do so, they weren't about to sign papers or anything.
Russia and Vladimir Putin started this war. You might be able to blame others for 'raising tensions' or something like that, but to blame anyone other than Putin and the Russian leadership cadre for actually starting it is either insane, dishonest, or both.
Sobek
Disgusting Scalie
You are both wrong. And right.
Ukraine "provoked" this war in the sense a child poking a angry dog "provokes" the dog. What happened here is that the people who were suposed to be responsible adults (USA and EU) just gave the kid a stick and told them nothing was gonna happen, the dog is all bark no bite, the leash will hold it in place.
I mean, for fucks sake, the US State Department was actually trying to tell Ukraine not to open peace talks with Russia when this began, openly getting more hohols and ivans dead by the day. Open incompetence and malice.
Russia is a wild bear. We knew this, we knew they were not gonna play by our rules and it was up to us to try and play around it. And the west failed, hard.
Putin startes this war, but the stage for him to do so wouldn't have come to pass if not for western incompetence giving him a opening.
Ukraine "provoked" this war in the sense a child poking a angry dog "provokes" the dog. What happened here is that the people who were suposed to be responsible adults (USA and EU) just gave the kid a stick and told them nothing was gonna happen, the dog is all bark no bite, the leash will hold it in place.
I mean, for fucks sake, the US State Department was actually trying to tell Ukraine not to open peace talks with Russia when this began, openly getting more hohols and ivans dead by the day. Open incompetence and malice.
Russia is a wild bear. We knew this, we knew they were not gonna play by our rules and it was up to us to try and play around it. And the west failed, hard.
Putin startes this war, but the stage for him to do so wouldn't have come to pass if not for western incompetence giving him a opening.
Nope. The Ukrops started this when they kept shelling the DPR and LPR after they signed the Minsk Agreement back in 2017.
Russia just stepped (at last) to stop the Ukrops from killing more civilians in the DPR/LPR.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
As usual, any time there's a Democrat in the White House, bad actors world wide know they can get away with shit a responsible adult wouldn't let them get away with.
If we assume that Ukraine was the sole provocateur there, rather than both the 'separatists' and the Ukrainians starting shit, that would justify putting Russian artillery in those areas and using counter-battery fire to suppress Ukrainian artillery.
Not broad-spectrum invasion of the whole nation.
The place of an aggressive dog is in a cage, not making the whole world tiptoe around its paranoid instincts.
True, there is only one language this kind of rulers understand, and Putin is speaking it right now. The only way the west provoked Putin and many others is by appearing weak, in turn making the likes of him feel free to reach for more and more.
It is a bullshit argument and you know it. The skirmishes were very much not one sided, and civilians were dying on both sides, as usual with artillery skirmishes.
If Russia wanted to end the civilian deaths, it would have proposed blue helmets to take over maintaining the skirmish line instead of its pet warlords.
Are you suggesting that Ukraine should have just let the local warlords shell its troops and villages with no reply?
I am honestly surprised Russia is doing as badly as it is.
They have seriously under performed I expected them to be able to take Ukraine down with in a week and by now we would be in the unconventional portion of the war. That said the goal of nato is going to be to bleed Russia as much as possible during this conflict to prevent the next one.
They have seriously under performed I expected them to be able to take Ukraine down with in a week and by now we would be in the unconventional portion of the war. That said the goal of nato is going to be to bleed Russia as much as possible during this conflict to prevent the next one.
I always said the Russian military is a paper tiger, now I get to say "I told you so".
Isn't Modern Warfare 2 looking ridiculous now? Imagine those bumbling idiots trying to invade mainland US! (Yeah I'm fully aware that it's just a shitty and unrealistic game).
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
That's very convenient considering you are on the same line as with Zach about American diplomacy.
That Ukraine has a right to exist and that it's wrong for Russia to have invaded it and to have engaged in a war of conquest? Had no idea that was a uniquely American line of diplomacy.
Just remember, while you call me imperialist, you're actually the one to be supporting an imperial expansion.
Blue helmets do jackshit.
Remember Yugoslavia? Blue helmets were ordered to watch as Serbs dragged Bosnian woman and girls to rape camps.
And then there's Haiti, where the UN peacekeepers themselves were running a child sex ring.
Oh, and I hate the Anti-Christ.
About the civilians deaths . . .
Conflict-related civilian casualties as of 31 December 2021 (rev 27 January 2022) corr EN_0.pdf (un.org)
Even your vaunted "blue helmets" admit that 81% of civilian casualties are on the Donbass side.
Not one sided my ass.
So please, take Klaus Schwab's dick out of thy ear for a moment.
81% definitely does NOT sound one sided to me. 19% is quite a significant casualty rate. To me it just says Ukrainian forces are better trained, not that they're the perpetrators.
The point is exactly for them to do jack shit. The point of them in this scenario is that no one is going to want to shoot at them, and they won't shoot at anyone unless really pressed.
So we are back at the level of Israel-Palestine conflict with "the side that is stronger\uses human shields less is wrong" arguments?
In your link, in number of incidents the story is quite different.
For November 2021 for example they give exactly 1 shelling incident in every distinct territory. Nevermind what the North Korea tier separatist government may be doing with shitty healthcare or even pinning civilian corpses resulting from own incompetence or dissent suppression activities on UA shelling to increase their own casualties just so that it can be pointed out to naive westerners.
No u.
And reminder for everyone, screw your pet theory.
Klaus Schwab turns on a once-promising ‘Young Global Leader’, Vladimir Putin
by WorldTribune Staff, March 11, 2022 Although Vladimir Putin was never an official designee in the World Economic Forum’s “Young Global Leaders” program, WEF founder Klaus Schwab…
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Schwab was even willing to look past the Crimea and separatist stuff.
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