Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[Marduk]

Looks like Bosnia is the next domino to fall... I mean... as soon as Ukraine falls or whatever.



Oooo spooky and ambiguous.

Russia threatens Bosnia and Herzegovina over NATO membership

A Russian ambassador said Bosnia and Herzegovina could face the same military aggression unleashed on Ukraine if the country joins NATO.

www.foxnews.com

In current circumstances, the funniest and at the same time most relevant fact is that this country cannot be reached by sea sea-land route or air from Russia without crossing the territorial waters, territory or airspace of a NATO country. While most NATO countries have closed their airspace to Russia.
I'm sure the written requests asking NATO to let Russian troops pass through its territory in exception to sanctions in order to invade a country for attempting to join NATO would be among the most hilarious international correspondence in existence.

 

[Aldarion]

Companies "boycotting" Russia will merely increase Putin's support and popularity.

 

[Sobek]

Companies "boycotting" Russia will merely increase Putin's support and popularity.

So, basically:

Sanctions on Russia Will Create a Monster | Lotus Eaters

Over the past week, friends in Russia have described to me how storefronts in vibrant shopping districts are being shuttered and there are long queues of people trying to buy goods before they become permanently unavailable. The price of modern

www.lotuseaters.com

 

[The Original Sixth]

Well, this is disconcerting.


Ritter is hardly what I'd call...well, anyone I'd ever want to be around, but his info on what the Bush Admin did in regards to "weapons of mass destruction" was solid. And doing just a bit of preliminary research...his claims seem to check out (on some level at least). It looks like the Azov battalion has deeply engrained itself within the Ukrainian government. I was under the impression that the Azov battalion was just a militia group that had aligned itself with the Ukrainian government. What I see from this though, is that they were absorbed into their military proper.

They literally put Azov officers into their military structure. And they seem to have high political support from politicians, oligarchs, and even their own small party.

 

[Marduk]

Well, this is disconcerting.


Ritter is hardly what I'd call...well, anyone I'd ever want to be around, but his info on what the Bush Admin did in regards to "weapons of mass destruction" was solid. And doing just a bit of preliminary research...his claims seem to check out. It looks like the Azov battalion has deeply engrained itself within the Ukrainian government. I was under the impression that the Azov battalion was just a militia group that had aligned itself with the Ukrainian government. What I see from this though, is that they were absorbed into their military proper.

They literally put Azov officers into their military structure. And they seem to have high political support from politicians, oligarchs, and even their own small party.

It was news... 8 years ago.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2014/10/09/azov-regiment-to-join-ukraines-national-guard/

Its also no news that there is such a thing as Azov Movement, which is what the militant group was formed out of to begin with.
On the other hand he's full of shit when it comes to some of the facts. Eats up the propaganda line about muh neonazis (and other politics, putting either his knowledge or political alignment into question), and more hilariously, pinning the Azov battalion on Lviv...
Why would a movement from Lviv call itself the Azov Regiment? Wouldn't it make sense if they were based somewhere around, say... the Sea of Azov, which is on the other side of the country? Like, say, Mariupol (wonder why quite a few combat footage videos from there have that little link to an Azov website, hmm)...
Here's a far more competent, detailed, and cold headed pre-war analysis of Azov forces:

Azov Regiment

www.globalsecurity.org

So, basically:

Sanctions on Russia Will Create a Monster | Lotus Eaters

Over the past week, friends in Russia have described to me how storefronts in vibrant shopping districts are being shuttered and there are long queues of people trying to buy goods before they become permanently unavailable. The price of modern

www.lotuseaters.com

Yeah, some of the high profile withdrawal are probably stupidly excessive. Especially when it comes to media\entertainment\culture sector, things like industrial goods and financial services are a different matter. The west should not be making it easier for Russia to entact its knockoff Great Firewall to keep out inconvenient politics. They probably would kick out many of those anyway, and they should not be avoiding doing reasonable things that would get them kicked out on political grounds, but it should be a sticking point that the Russian government had to do it.

 

[The Original Sixth]

It was news... 8 years ago.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2014/10/09/azov-regiment-to-join-ukraines-national-guard/

Its also no news that there is such a thing as Azov Movement, which is what the militant group was formed out of to begin with.
On the other hand he's full of shit when it comes to some of the facts. Eats up the propaganda line about muh neonazis (and other politics, putting either his knowledge or political alignment into question), and more hilariously, pinning the Azov battalion on Lviv...

Back up. Why did we give military training to neo-nazis? The House tried to block their training in 2015, but the Pentagon pressured them to go back on it. They finally banned training them three years later from receiving training. Then the UKA decides to just fold them right into their own military? I don't buy that they're calling the shots. Especially to the previous president who was a filthy rich oligarch.

What I do believe is that you don't dilute leprosy by throwing lepers into a healthy population. The future UKA, were it to survive, would have neo-nazis within its institution to convert a whole range of young men and women. The Azov Battalion was never that large, so why did the Pentagon push for the ban to be lifted on training neo-nazis?

 

[Marduk]

Back up. Why did we give military training to neo-nazis? The House tried to block their training in 2015, but the Pentagon pressured them to go back on it. They finally banned training them three years later from receiving training. Then the UKA decides to just fold them right into their own military? I don't buy that they're calling the shots. Especially to the previous president who was a filthy rich oligarch.

Because it is a matter disturbingly close to arguments that were perfectly normal in the west 20 years ago. Should we police the grunts for having too spicy views for the sake of optics, politics, not getting leftists mad etc?
Well Ukraine is pretty much fighting for independence rather than screwing around, so their answer on that question is different.

What I do believe is that you don't dilute leprosy by throwing lepers into a healthy population. The future UKA, were it to survive, would have neo-nazis within its institution to convert a whole range of young men and women. The Azov Battalion was never that large, so why did the Pentagon push for the ban to be lifted on training neo-nazis?

Well, Ukraine has different priorities than "countering far right extremism" because its a non-woke country too busy with real problems like fighting for independence from Russia.
Apparently even some of the Pentagon bureaucrats understood that, good on them.
Even for US military itself that kind of policy is quite a recent development, and one that by any common sense is not going to be replicated by militaries in a "fighting for survival/independence" mindset.

Neo-Nazis excluded from military service by policy, but concerns persist

Longstanding concerns about right-wing extremists in the military include such groups seeking to infiltrate the services to gain tactical knowledge and about troops’ radicalization after they’ve joined.

www.stripes.com

U.S. Army battling racists within its own ranks

They call it "rahowa" - short for racial holy war - and they are preparing for it by joining the ranks of the world's fiercest fighting machine, the U.S. military.

www.reuters.com

The modern US army: unfit for service?

Gone are the days of the all-American army hero, says Matt Kennard. These days, the US military is more like a sanctuary for racists, gang members and the chronically unfit

www.theguardian.com

In the same way, Azov contains some number of Neonazis, by virtue of merely attracting and tolerating members with all sorts of far right views. Much like US military did before the age of political correctness.
What's of more interest to Ukrainian government and the saner of Pentagon officials is that they are a highly motivated and effective fighting force by all reports.

 

[Aldarion]

So, basically:

Sanctions on Russia Will Create a Monster | Lotus Eaters

Over the past week, friends in Russia have described to me how storefronts in vibrant shopping districts are being shuttered and there are long queues of people trying to buy goods before they become permanently unavailable. The price of modern

www.lotuseaters.com

Yes.

Back up. Why did we give military training to neo-nazis? The House tried to block their training in 2015, but the Pentagon pressured them to go back on it. They finally banned training them three years later from receiving training. Then the UKA decides to just fold them right into their own military? I don't buy that they're calling the shots. Especially to the previous president who was a filthy rich oligarch.

What I do believe is that you don't dilute leprosy by throwing lepers into a healthy population. The future UKA, were it to survive, would have neo-nazis within its institution to convert a whole range of young men and women. The Azov Battalion was never that large, so why did the Pentagon push for the ban to be lifted on training neo-nazis?

If you exclude everyone that modern-day mainstream considers "neo-Nazi" / "far-Right" from the military, you will have no military left. And while Azov might have started as a neo-Nazi group, my understanding is that majority of their current members / soldiers are rather moderate in their political views. From what I have read from testimonies of some members of the battalion, they don't really care about politics beyond whole "fighting for independence" thing.

 

[GoldRanger]

While Azov battalion is a tricky subject, and they definitely include outright swastika-waving guys there, the country as a whole has a Jewish president (democratically elected, no less), so I'll need a hell of a LOT of convincing that Ukraine is a nazi or neo-nazi country, and that they require "denazification" from a neighboring dictatorship with openly fascist domestic policies.

 

[TheRejectionist]

While Azov battalion is a tricky subject, and they definitely include outright swastika-waving guys there, the country as a whole has a Jewish president (democratically elected, no less), so I'll need a hell of a LOT of convincing that Ukraine is a nazi or neo-nazi country, and that they require "denazification" from a neighboring dictatorship with openly fascist domestic policies.

1. Azov is Nazi
2. There is plenty of proof of Nationalsocialist influence in the Ukranian governmet
3. It's not just some swastikas
4. They conducted, freely I might add, pogroms against Romanis and others. You do know who would come next right?
5. Democratically elected with US-EU support. Which is questionable at best.
6. Zelensky might as well been of the Chosen tribes, that doesn't make him look better.
7. Zelensky is oligarch-supported.

In actual news.

 

[GoldRanger]

1. Azov is Nazi
2. There is plenty of proof of Nationalsocialist influence in the Ukranian governmet
3. It's not just some swastikas
4. They conducted, freely I might add, pogroms against Romanis and others. You do know who would come next right?
5. Democratically elected with US-EU support. Which is questionable at best.
6. Zelensky might as well been of the Chosen tribes, that doesn't make him look better.
7. Zelensky is oligarch-supported.

In actual news.

I can't understand a word you're saying, can you pull Putin's dick out of your mouth for a minute and repeat that?

 

[TheRejectionist]

I can't understand a word you're saying, can you pull Putin's dick out of your mouth for a minute and repeat that?

Well I would if was the cosmopolitan parrotting globalist propaganda and aping like an Anglo hooligan because one of the leaders happens to be of my same ethnocultural background @GoldRanger but that title belongs to you, so eager to see two nations be destroyed and be submissive serfs to those who you share the culture, who tend to be the fake neutrals that sell to both sides who end up mutually loosing.

Zelensky is, after the Americanophiles and Europhiles, the man who started a war who turned millions into refugees and hundreds of millions into social rejects basically overnight.

But I guess that's too much to ask to someone who's high on his own farts.

 

[Captain X]

Zelensky is, after the Americanophiles and Europhiles, the man who started a war who turned millions into refugees and hundreds of millions into social rejects basically overnight.

Yeah, right. Russia invaded his country, but somehow he's the one who started the war. Sounds like someone's getting high on their own farts to me, alright.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Yeah, right. Russia invaded his country, but somehow he's the one who started the war. Sounds like someone's getting high on their own farts to me, alright.

Talking the guy from the country that invaded how many countries in the last 122 years under money pretenses ?

 

[Marduk]

Zelensky is, after the Americanophiles and Europhiles, the man who started a war who turned millions into refugees and hundreds of millions into social rejects basically overnight.

But I guess that's too much to ask to someone who's high on his own farts.

Yeah, sure, Zelensky has dragged Russian planes, soldiers and missiles into Ukraine against Putin's loud protestations. Stop making a clown out of yourself.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Talking the guy from the country that invaded how many countries in the last 122 years under money pretenses ?

Remember the Maine!

 

[Captain X]

Talking the guy from the country that invaded how many countries in the last 122 years under money pretenses ?

You can keep trying to play this game, but it doesn't change the fact that you claiming Zelensky started this war when it was Russia that invaded his country and not the other way around was a pretty stupid thing to say.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Yeah, sure, Zelensky has dragged Russian planes, soldiers and missiles into Ukraine against Putin's loud protestations. Stop making a clown out of yourself.

🤣🤣🤣

 

[TheRejectionist]

You can keep trying to play this game, but it doesn't change the fact that you claiming Zelensky started this war when it was Russia that invaded his country and not the other way around was a pretty stupid thing to say.

Like you guys did with the War on terror?

 

[TheRejectionist]

Anyone has more fairy tales or jokes to tell?