Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

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If he does that, he'll establish a legacy that'll last all of ten years. When Russia implodes after he dies, the Ukrainians can just waltz in. It would still have been all for nothing.
Russia won't collapse, even if things go bad in Ukraine or with demographics, simply because Beijing needs them as a functional vassal to help them control Europe and the Mid-East.

China will prop up Russia just to keep from having to use it's own forces to project power in Europe.
 
I've heard some reports of Russia having suffered fifty thousand casualties since the invasion began about four months ago. For a force one hundred and ninety thousand strong, that's a goddamn catastrophe. That is multiple corps/half a dozen divisions worth of Russia's best cut to pieces for very little gain, plenty of stalemate, and a few disastrous reversals.

Why are they even still there? Just withdraw you daft cunts. This isn't worth it anymore.
The official data is at around 34k now. The difference could be in the definition of "casualties" or the question of separatists and their mass conscription - the discount North Koreas have really drafted all the military age males who couldn't bullshit or bribe their way out and threw them to the frontlines as cannon fodder with all that shitty equipment that is making rounds on the internet, certainly raising a possibility of massively boosting any casualty numbers on the Russian side, if counted in.
Russia won't collapse, even if things go bad in Ukraine or with demographics, simply because Beijing needs them as a functional vassal to help them control Europe and the Mid-East.

China will prop up Russia just to keep from having to use it's own forces to project power in Europe.
There is another possibility, China is often said to think in decades, even centuries ahead. What if they even encouraged Putin to make his dangerous bet because it is a win-win for them?
Either he wins and hurts the world profile of USA, EU and NATO, aka those China doesn't exactly like at all...
Or he loses, crippling Russian economy for good, leaving it reliant on a life support that China will be able to dole out... or not.
After few years, or even decades, of the life support, talks could begin about Russia really needs to pay properly for it, and on the table there could be some far eastern territories of Russia - after all, it would be nothing unprecedented, Russia sold Alaska to USA after all, and China would have already paid much more than USA did for Alaska, so it's only fair that China's historical claims get some respect in Moscow.
Failing that, China would at that point have the ability to pull the plug on the support, and in turn probably also the government controlling Russia at the time.
 
I've heard some reports of Russia having suffered fifty thousand casualties since the invasion began about four months ago. For a force one hundred and ninety thousand strong, that's a goddamn catastrophe. That is multiple corps/half a dozen divisions worth of Russia's best cut to pieces for very little gain, plenty of stalemate, and a few disastrous reversals.

Why are they even still there? Just withdraw you daft cunts. This isn't worth it anymore.

Part of it is because using the men of their puppet states in eastern Ukraine as cannon fodder has allowed them to avoid taking a fair chunk of those casualties onto themselves.

That's having its own cost, however, chief among them is killing or alienating a huge number of people in Luhansk and Donetsk who either wanted to or were neutral towards being Russian puppet states. Unless they manage to win a crushing victory, which looks less likely by the week, their odds of holding on to those two regions are steadily dropping.
 
Russia won't collapse, even if things go bad in Ukraine or with demographics, simply because Beijing needs them as a functional vassal to help them control Europe and the Mid-East.

China will prop up Russia just to keep from having to use it's own forces to project power in Europe.

Dude all of the problems Russia has? China has them on steriods.

China is the fastest aging country on the planet, they are already past the point of no return, they are the single overleveraged country in human history, their facing down so many problems all at once that their choices are maoist tyranny or break down and civil war.

China 10 years from now will have its own problems.
 
I've heard some reports of Russia having suffered fifty thousand casualties since the invasion began about four months ago. For a force one hundred and ninety thousand strong, that's a goddamn catastrophe. That is multiple corps/half a dozen divisions worth of Russia's best cut to pieces for very little gain, plenty of stalemate, and a few disastrous reversals.

Why are they even still there? Just withdraw you daft cunts. This isn't worth it anymore.

Long steppe tradition.Khagan could do anything what he like to some people/not all or majority/,as long as he deliver spoils.
Horde follow him to war without questions and obey.
Till they get defeated and there is no spoils to share.Then horde have new khagan.

So,khagan Putin could not widraw without some success.It would be his death sentence.
 
Russia can't fight in both Ukraine and the stans at the same time
Particularly when said nation also controls Russia's main space facilities.

Imagine if Kazakhstan told the Russians they could not use Baikanor any longer.
 
The immense amount of reporting from Ukrainian officials that their losses have skyrocketed, their logistics have effectively collapsed and desertion is becoming a serious issue? Russia has about 4x the population and a Pre-invasion economy about 10x the size of Ukraine; basic math dictates the end result of such a conflict all on its own.



How would this compare in regards to Iran vs. Iraq in the 1980s or in regards to Italy vs. Greece in 1940-1941?

Define how the USSR lost the arms race and yes the West was by every stretch of the term. Today Russia still controls the core of the old Soviet Empire and have an economy in which 35% of its GDP is from industry; when you adjust this into PPP terms, you begin to realize Russia is actually Germany in size.

But the West is made up of multiple Germanies to Russia's one Germany!
 
Particularly when said nation also controls Russia's main space facilities.

Imagine if Kazakhstan told the Russians they could not use Baikanor any longer.
I don't have to they would invade destroy every thing and then get bled white in their two front war and collapse again....
 
It is amazing how many nations are lining up against Russia.
Putin is really riling up the cabal.
Well, Putin is terminally ill man trying to create his 'legacy' and he views any land that the USSR had as 'Rightful Russian Territory', even apparently Kazakhstan.

This shit won't end till Putin does, and maybe not even then.
 

Something's up.

What @Marduk said,they must win election,and after capitulating to germans it would be hard to achieve.

Their only allies is polish leftist opposition which only goal is remove Kaczyński.Well,help lgbt,too.
And capitulate not only to germans,americans ,ukrainians,lithuanians and jews,like Kaczyński,but to kgbstan,too.
Kaczyński is truly blessed with such intelectually challenged enemies.
 
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