Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[Tiamat]

For those wondering…

Moldova names new pro-EU prime minister after government falls amid Russian pressure

Moldova was granted EU candidate status last June, but has faced intense pressure from Moscow.

www.politico.eu

 

[AmosTrask]

For those wondering…

Moldova names new pro-EU prime minister after government falls amid Russian pressure

Moldova was granted EU candidate status last June, but has faced intense pressure from Moscow.

www.politico.eu

Hence her ousting by pro-Russian elements.

 

[posh-goofiness]

What are you guys thoughts on this article? Quick search of the thread for "article 51" or "osce" didn't turn up any posts in the thread so it seems like new information to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

Original Article	Setting the Record Straight; Stuff You Should Know About Ukraine
ZeroHedge Repost	Whitney: Setting The Record Straight - Stuff You Should Know About Ukraine

 

[Marduk]

What are you guys thoughts on this article? Quick search of the thread for "article 51" or "osce" didn't turn up any posts in the thread so it seems like new information to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

Original Article	Setting the Record Straight; Stuff You Should Know About Ukraine
ZeroHedge Repost	Whitney: Setting The Record Straight - Stuff You Should Know About Ukraine

Usual, highly manipulative Russia simping bullshit.
Note the author and his general anti-western tendency, including conspiracies in favor of Russia.

Five Years Ago: Was Malaysia Flight MH17 Shot Down by a Ukrainian Fighter Plane? - Global Research

This article was originally published in 2014. July 17th is the commemoration of the downing of MH17, July 17, 2014 “From start to finish, the Ukraine crisis has been instigated by US imperialism. Every action Washington has taken has been directed at exacerbating and intensifying this crisis...

www.globalresearch.ca

Trump’s Plan B for Syria: Occupation and Intimidation - Global Research

On January 17, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson announced the creation of a de facto autonomous Kurdish state in east Syria that will be supported by the United States and defended by a US-backed “proxy” army of occupation. Tillerson’s announcement was made at a confab he attended at Stanford...

www.globalresearch.ca

America's Racist Killer Cops: Why Stand for a Country That Can Gun You Down in Cold Blood? - Global Research

If black athletes in the NFL honestly think that African Americans who live under Old Glory are as ‘equally protected ‘as whites, then they should stand up during the national anthem and sing-along. But if they know that blacks aren’t getting a square deal, and that blacks can be gunned down at...

www.globalresearch.ca

Seven Days in May? US Global Hegemony, "Asymmetric Warfare" Directed against China - Global Research

“Since its founding, the United States has consistently pursued a grand strategy focused on acquiring and maintaining preeminent power over various rivals, first on the North American continent, then in the Western hemisphere, and finally globally.” -Robert D. Blackwill and Ashley J.Tellis...

www.globalresearch.ca

Long story short, some kind of professional doomer willing to punch both left and right as long as it puts western countries in a bad light and conversely benefits the anti-western ones.
Considering the earlier dated counterpunch.org link in some of his articles, i'll assume he's a leftist, perhaps even a commie.
Other than being infested by pacifists and Russia simps i see no reason why RPI would repost such a person's article. Shame of them, as he's not even hiding it

Mike Whitney lives in Washington state. He is a contributor to Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion (AK Press). Hopeless is also available in a Kindle edition. He can be reached at [email protected].

Let's see what book he's so proud of being a contributor for.

"Jeffrey St. Clair and Joshua Frank have skillfully smoked out the real Barack Obama . . . the technofascist military strategist disguised as a Nobel Peace Laureate, but owned, operated, and controlled by Wall Street, Corporate America, and the Pentagon."

Long story short, i have negative trust for any theories coming from some Portland antifa guy trying to guerilla sell leftist "anti-imperialism" with labels mostly taken off to right wingers. He's so far left that he's making Obama look cool by shit talking him...

 

[posh-goofiness]

I was actually looking for responses with more substance, but I can accept that as an answer I suppose. Did these events actually happen?

Edit: The Ron Paul institute simps for Russia?

 

[Marduk]

I was actually looking for responses with more substance, but I can accept that as an answer I suppose. Did these events actually happen?

Technically some of them certainly did. But all the details that would ruin the pro-Russian narrative of the article (like questions about whether the cataloguing of activity on the separatist side was complete, treatment of OSCE observers there, and what were the Ukrainian shellings in response to, nevermind the fact that the Baltic Fleet's amphibious assault ships were sent into Black Sea in preparation for invasion due to Turkey predictably closing the place to them once war began long before the timeline and causality implied) were conveniently not written about in the article and i don't feel like gathering all the missing pieces for dealing with some marxist clown's psyop, him being a leftist should be enough to raise red flags.
Skirmishing on the separatist border was the norm since 2014, with varying intensity.

Edit: The Ron Paul institute simps for Russia?

Some people in it, absolutely, see: general crazy spreading around in the Libertarian Party.

 

[Bacle]

I was actually looking for responses with more substance, but I can accept that as an answer I suppose. Did these events actually happen?

Edit: The Ron Paul institute simps for Russia?

It's more the Libertarian party hate military spending in the US, regardless of what Russia or any other foreign nation is doing or thinks.

They forget old world blood feuds and imperial aspirations do not disappear just because they worship the NAP, and think you can either hide your head in a hole or broker and economically based peace deal for any conflict.

Getting Libertarians to fund the fucking coast guard, a basic necessity that is directly responsible for saving thousands of civies lives in peace time, is like pulling teeth, never mind funding a country who is just trying to survive and not be ruled by Moscow's whims.

The Cold War never ended, it just went into half-time, and the Libertarians do not want to face up to that reality. They would sooner hang all of Ukraine out to dry for the Russians, rather than admit maybe they are huffing unicorn farts in their foreign policy views.

 

[Buba]

they are huffing unicorn farts

Eww ... I was eating dessert ...

 

[mrttao]

The Cold War never ended, it just went into half-time

hahahahahaha.
oh wait you are serious? let me laugh harder

 

[The Whispering Monk]

The Cold War never ended, it just went into half-time,

hahahahahaha.
oh wait you are serious? let me laugh harder

I can see @Bacle 's point of view. USSR was the 1st half starters, and CCP is the 2nd half lineup.

 

[mrttao]

I can see @Bacle 's point of view. USSR was the 1st half starters, and CCP is the 2nd half lineup.

he is talking about russia. not CCP
He even says

never mind funding a country who is just trying to survive and not be ruled by Moscow's whims.

moscow.
he never mentions china or CCP in his post about the cold war restarting.

also CCP is in so much shit right now its not even funny.
Might have a cold war with whatever successor it happens to get through

 

[ShieldWife]

What are you guys thoughts on this article? Quick search of the thread for "article 51" or "osce" didn't turn up any posts in the thread so it seems like new information to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

Original Article	Setting the Record Straight; Stuff You Should Know About Ukraine
ZeroHedge Repost	Whitney: Setting The Record Straight - Stuff You Should Know About Ukraine

The article is largely correct. It’s the Ron Paul Institute, the author isn’t a communist, but rather a libertarian non-interventionist like Ron Paul himself.

Putin isn’t a saint, but the USA’s military aggression has been vastly worse than his and as this article points out, a lot of US, Ukrainian, and NATO shenanigans lead up to this war.

This mindless hawkishness against Russia is going to lead the world into ruin. And those same people who want to fight Putin and the ones who want BLM burning down our cities and for our kids to be castrated, so I’d think that conservatives would show a bit of skepticism. Putin is far better than the GAE.

I’m not being very details, I don’t have time at the moment, but I’ll come back later for more. Surely after this post has been raked over the coals.

 

[Zachowon]

The article is largely correct. It’s the Ron Paul Institute, the author isn’t a communist, but rather a libertarian non-interventionist like Ron Paul himself.

Putin isn’t a saint, but the USA’s military aggression has been vastly worse than his and as this article points out, a lot of US, Ukrainian, and NATO shenanigans lead up to this war.

This mindless hawkishness against Russia is going to lead the world into ruin. And those same people who want to fight Putin and the ones who want BLM burning down our cities and for our kids to be castrated, so I’d think that conservatives would show a bit of skepticism. Putin is far better than the GAE.

I’m not being very details, I don’t have time at the moment, but I’ll come back later for more. Surely after this post has been raked over the coals.

How did NATO offering protection at the cost of...
Nothing really being a reason for invasion?

 

[Marduk]

The article is largely correct. It’s the Ron Paul Institute, the author isn’t a communist, but rather a libertarian non-interventionist like Ron Paul himself.

Then how do you explain him simping for China too, and writing about "America's killer cops" in context of BLM burning down cities? Why don't you go check out his even more 'libertarian" writings on the very libertarian site known as counterpunch.

Putin isn’t a saint, but the USA’s military aggression has been vastly worse than his and as this article points out, a lot of US, Ukrainian, and NATO shenanigans lead up to this war.

>worse
Worse for enemies of the West for sure, but i. for one, say: pox upon them.

 

[ShieldWife]

How did NATO offering protection at the cost of...
Nothing really being a reason for invasion?

Read the article, it describes the situation in more detail than I could. It’s not just NATO’s expansion, which itself is aggression against Russia, but the American backed coup in 2014 and Ukraine’s war against Russian nationals in those eastern regions of Ukraine.

 

[Zachowon]

Read the article, it describes the situation in more detail than I could. It’s not just NATO’s expansion, which itself is aggression against Russia, but the American backed coup in 2014 and Ukraine’s war against Russian nationals in those eastern regions of Ukraine.

Never has been evidence of the US backing the coup, for one, and two since that coup Ukraine has been doing better economically then Russia.
Explains why the Russians what all those washing machined and dryers.

How is NATO aggression, a defensive pact, a threat against Russia? Ask Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, poland, all what they say to that.
It is gonna be, "we joined because Russia wants to retake us".
Simple.
Without NATO, Russia would be on the border of Germany once again.
So no, it isn't aggression, it is making sure thier countries stay well, a country.

You mean the war that Russia started? And how the people of the Donbass have come out and said they liked it better before this invasion as the Russians have destroyed everything?
Or what about the Russian green men who appear to the separatists and happen to have the kind of gear only the Russian military has.....

Russia is winning the war on information, well disinformation more like, woth libertarians and Right wing people due to this.

 

[ShieldWife]

Then how do you explain him simping for China too, and writing about "America's killer cops" in context of BLM burning down cities? Why don't you go check out his even more 'libertarian" writings on the very libertarian site known as counterpunch.


>worse
Worse for enemies of the West for sure, but i, for one, say, pox upon them.

Worse for innocent people. Like the millions of innocent people who have died in the Middle East since the first Gulf War - in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Iran, and Libya. We’re the bad guys.

I’ll look into the China and BLM stuff.

 

[Marduk]

Worse for innocent people. Like the millions of innocent people who have died in the Middle East since the first Gulf War - in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Iran, and Libya. We’re the bad guys.

I’ll look into the China and BLM stuff.

Life is such that people die. Shitholes existed and were shitloles long before USA existed and will exist even after USA doesn't. If you believe that if not for muh evil american influence the Middle East would be an oasis of peace and prosperity, i recommend the nearest hippie commune.

The article is largely correct. It's the Ron Paul Institute, the author isn't a communist, but rather a libertarian non-interventionist like Ron Paul himself.

Putin isn't a saint, but the USA's military aggression has been vastly worse than his and as this article points out, a lot of US, Ukrainian, and NATO shenanigans lead up to this war.

This mindless hawkishness against Russia is going to lead the world into ruin. And those same people who want to fight Putin and the ones who want BLM burning down our cities and for our kids to be castrated, so I'd think that conservatives would show a bit of skepticism. Putin is far better than the GAE.

I'm not being very details, I don't have time at the moment, but I'll come back later for more. Surely after this post has been raked over the coals.

I live in Poland, i track the Russia situation closer than 99% of Americans. Trust me, Russia was a shitheel in regional politics before USA existed, it remained a shitheel after it existed, it became an ever greater shitheel when commies took over, and then for technical reasons became less of a shitheel for a couple decades which had some naive people in the West let their guard down, turns out they are still a shitheel.

This historical truth is the whole reason for the oh so scary NATO expansion, which is more accurately termed as NATO invitation by historical victims of Russian imperialism unwilling to have that job again.

GAE is irrelevant here. Putin himself was helping set up GAE during his KGB days, and will stomp on your face and steal your wallet while laughing about how you stupid westerners let GAE rule you, the latter part being what you mistake for alliance. Just because someone refuses to drink poison and labels himself anti-poison doesn't mean he wasn't the one who poisoned your well.

 

[Zachowon]

Worse for innocent people. Like the millions of innocent people who have died in the Middle East since the first Gulf War - in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Iran, and Libya. We’re the bad guys.

I’ll look into the China and BLM stuff.

You mean the large numbers that died in Oran and Iraq due to the Iran Iraq war? The large numbers from the Russian invasion of A-stan? The still growing numbers dead from Russia in Syria? You know, the country that we have done very little in and Russia supported the guy who is willing to basically level a city with Russian help?
The US doesn't just turn a city to rubble.
We clear it slowly doing things the way one should if they want the population to return.
All the people leaving were not directly caused by the US and the coalition but by the people we are fighting having no care for the people they are supposedly defending.

 

[Terthna]

hahahahahaha.
oh wait you are serious? let me laugh harder

To be fair, he's not wrong; though not entirely for the reasons he thinks. Not that it matters at this point; because regardless of the reasons, the eternal conflict with Russia has resumed, and isn't going to stop any time soon.