So 6 people invovled total, 2 divers, and the explosives were dumped on the pipeline from a Ukrainian owned yacht rented in Poland.
I'm not in the habit of interrupting the enemy when he makes mistakes. Like leaving your brand new strike fighter in the open tarmac with no security, long grass and hedgerows with rusted broken down fencing.Somethign the base's command should have its ass chewed off by superiors.
Bad security long grass is.
if this is true and it was the ukrianians then good for them.
It was a successful strike against a legitiment military target.
Most likely it isn't, it's still more likely that this is just smoke cover for the actual operation and the explosives were actually planted during Baltops 2022, but this story gives all sides a lie they can commonly agree to when the negotiations start. Because if USA starts bragging about how they blew up the pipeline even more openly than Blinken/Nuland did so far, then Putin will have to strike American infrastructure or look weak internally and that's a great way to start a tit for tat that escalates into nukes.
So 6 people invovled total, 2 divers, and the explosives were dumped on the pipeline from a Ukrainian owned yacht rented in Poland.
Yeah, the problem is that they dragged their feet and then release it after Seymour Hersh released his article.Most likely it isn't, it's still more likely that this is just smoke cover for the actual operation and the explosives were actually planted during Baltops 2022, but this story gives all sides a lie they can commonly agree to when the negotiations start. Because if USA starts bragging about how they blew up the pipeline even more openly than Blinken/Nuland did so far, then Putin will have to strike American infrastructure or look weak internally and that's a great way to start a tit for tat that escalates into nukes.
They've got the boat's transponder data and it seems it checks out; it was all over the area of the pipelines for a bit.I severely doubt this is what actually happened.
(citation needed)and are blatantly taking the blame for the USA.
Corporate media are all saying it now.(citation needed)
Which is funny because back in the day, the countries around that place investigated and then... sealed the results of the investigation as national secrets that must not be divulged even to their allies.3 big names in corrupt liberal corporate fake news sites.
All now silently abandoning their previous claims they made that Russia definitely did it and that anyone who says otherwise is a conspiracy theorist vatnik.
Instead Corporate media is pushing a new narrative.
Independent retired guy on a sailboat with some buddies did it.
And was arrested for it by the Righteous Ukrainian govt.
So fucking what?Corporate media are all saying it now.
Surely you who have oh so trusted their narrative of it being Russia all along will not become a conspiracy theorist all of a sudden. /sarcasm
The top 3 results on a simple search:
washington post
rueters
Ukrainian officer coordinated Nord Stream attack: Washington Post
A Ukrainian military officer coordinated last year's attack on the Nord Stream natural gas pipeline, the Washington Post reported on Saturday, citing anonymous sources in Ukraine and Europe.www.reuters.com
msn
3 big names in corrupt liberal corporate fake news sites.
All now silently abandoning their previous claims they made that Russia definitely did it and that anyone who says otherwise is a conspiracy theorist vatnik.
Ukraine is recently having some internal hoopla about doing their intel doing black ops while applying "need to know basis" to their higher ups.Instead Corporate media is pushing a new narrative.
Independent retired guy on a sailboat with some buddies did it.
And was arrested for it by the Righteous Ukrainian govt.
That is your take.Also please note that in my previous post I did not say he did it, I said this is the new narrative of western media. My take is that fake news is lying again and it was done by the USA.
Indeed, it's an internal hoopla in Ukraine, your jump to conclusion that this confirms certain people's pet conspiracy theory that USA did it is just that, a jump, with zero persuasion value to those outside of the club of believers.Oh yea, and as a total coincidence the guy is a very outspoken political enemy of Zelensky.
That's the Russian media take. Which means it's probably a lie too. Because if they had evidence of it, they would have shown it. Instead they just put it through the western lefty propaganda channel network with no evidence.I think we knew all along that it was the Americans. Motive, means, opportunity.
Never made a lick of sense for it to be the Russians.
So Ukraine now arrests a Ukranian ex military / intelligence fall-guy for independently blowing up the nordstream using a rented sailboat and 6 rando helper dudes. All alone without any support from any government.
They finally admit it was not russia.
The new narrative is that this is definitely NOT anything involving any government and was just a rando citizen.
Also, Ukraine in no way shape or form had the capability of doing this and are blatantly taking the blame for the USA.
Radek Sikorski "Thank you USA" ,our past and futer minister.(citation needed)
Since when you trust what PO politicians say?Radek Sikorski "Thank you USA" ,our past and futer minister.
You wonted citation.You get citation.Since when you trust what PO politicians say?
That's the Russian media take. Which means it's probably a lie too. Because if they had evidence of it, they would have shown it. Instead they just put it through the western lefty propaganda channel network with no evidence.
And there are several less obvious ways why it could be Russians. As i said originally, it could have been any of at least half a dozen parties, and we may never find out for sure which.
So Ukraine now arrests a Ukranian ex military / intelligence fall-guy for independently blowing up the nordstream using a rented sailboat and 6 rando helper dudes. All alone without any support from any government.
They finally admit it was not russia.
The new narrative is that this is definitely NOT anything involving any government and was just a rando citizen.
Also, Ukraine in no way shape or form had the capability of doing this and are blatantly taking the blame for the USA.