More than 30 killed in Maui as wildfire wipes town of Lahaina off the map ... the videos of the devastation are unreal

Marduk said:
Which is, pragmatically, another Democrat failure, in form of a half-measure. And if the people in question keep supporting DNC regardless of such treatment, what does that mean?
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They're going to support the DNC no matter what. Even if Donald Trump himself went down there and handed them money out of his own pocket and rebuilt their houses.

I am still okay with the federal government assisting in natural disasters.
 
Rocinante said:
They're going to support the DNC no matter what. Even if Donald Trump himself went down there and handed them money out of his own pocket and rebuilt their houses.

I am still okay with the federal government assisting in natural disasters.
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In general, sure. But at some point, if the people in a given area stubbornly elect politicians who want to do stupid shit that make the disasters as bad as they get or more common for some stupid ideological reason, and no one is willing to budge on this, there is definitely room for doubt on whether government of any higher level than that which passed this stupid shit should help. Unless the help would come in form of legal aid in suing the state/county for damages.
 
Bacle said:


Very chilling clip; lack of reports of missing persons may be because entire families/extended families burned up/sufficated, so no one is left to report them missing in the local area.
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Chillingly horrific, indeed. 😔

That said, I'd imagine that friends and family who live out of state would be bombarding the Maui authorities with calls to find their loved ones, too. It'll come eventually, I'm sure, though I guess it depends on how dispersed across the country the rest of their living kin and comrades are.
 
I'm sorry. Maybe I'm misunderstanding something.

Are some people actually questioning whether or not American citizens in a disaster situation should get support because they voted and support the (objectively) wrong party and probably won't change?

If I'm misunderstanding then I apologize.

But screw that noise. That would be turned around so fast on Republican majority areas.

"They caused climate change and don't support our socialist takeover that would fix everything (we promise 😉). We really shouldn't spend money on helping them after the (very suspicious) fires caused by climate change (totally not arsonists) destroyed their towns."
 
Cherico said:
Hawaiians will still vote for them so why care?
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I honestly don't know how Hawaii's political choices are, but if they're anything like the rest of the West it's
-Insane eco-commie leftists (with or without pedo-affiliations)
and
-Insane grifting right wingers (with or without pedo-affiliations)

 
Bigking321 said:
I'm sorry. Maybe I'm misunderstanding something.

Are some people actually questioning whether or not American citizens in a disaster situation should get support because they voted and support the (objectively) wrong party and probably won't change?

If I'm misunderstanding then I apologize.
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Not because they voted for the wrong party. Because they voted for the left wing of the wrong party that decided that having basic emergency service functionality is not as important as ideological bullshit... And they don't seem to see the issue involved.
Bigking321 said:
But screw that noise. That would be turned around so fast on Republican majority areas.

"They caused climate change and don't support our socialist takeover that would fix everything (we promise 😉). We really shouldn't spend money on helping them after the (very suspicious) fires caused by climate change (totally not arsonists) destroyed their towns."
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You are right, and unfortunately for you, you are more right than you want to be, because and it will happen even if Republicans would demand all the leftist areas get a million dollars for stubbing a toe. There is no conditional relationship here, it will happen if leftists feel they can get away with it, no matter what Republicans say or do.

It's not even a theoretical question because it has already happened.
What federal compensation did victims of mostly peaceful protests get again?
Oh, wait, they got told that they shouldn't be mad because they have insurance.
 
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Parents find remains of teen son hugging dead dog in Maui home destroyed by wildfire
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Parents find remains of teen son hugging dead dog in Maui home destroyed by wildfire

Grieving parents found the body of their 14-year-old son, and then carried him around half a mile to a police station to be confirmed among the dead.
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Grieving parents found the body of their 14-year-old adopted son hugging his dead dog after the Maui wildfires — then carried him around half a mile to a police station to be confirmed among the dead.

Schoolboy Keyiro Fuentes had been home alone enjoying his last day of summer break when the deadliest US wildfires in a century started overwhelming his neighborhood in Lahaina, his mother, Luz Vargas, told CBS News.

The mom was working five miles away at the time — and unable to get home when she saw the smoke, despite begging cops to let her through their barriers.

When she and the rest of her family managed to search their home two days later, they found Keyiro's charred body wrapped around his dead dog, the sobbing mom told CBS.

"He was not as I expected, in ashes," she said of the body thought to have been preserved by the extreme heat.

"God maintained him like this. So, we knew it was him," she said of her adopted son.

The family then wrapped Keyiro's body in a tarp, carrying the remains half a mile to the nearest police station.

The Maui Police Department on Thursday confirmed to HawaiiNewsNow that the body had been dropped off there.

"The individual's biological relatives are residents of Mexico, and efforts are underway to conduct DNA testing to make a positive identification," the department said.

The family who adopted Keyiro had been preparing a 15th birthday party for him — but instead spent the day remembering his life with a vigil.

Mom Vargas, who runs a cleaning service, recalled her despair at being unable to reach the boy when she first saw huge plumes of black smoke rising above their hometown.

When they were prevented from driving toward the area, Vargas took off running, with neighbors trying to stop her.

"They were saying, 'Don't go. Don't go.' I said, 'But it's my son!'" she told HawaiiNewsNow.

She was also stopped at a police barrier blocking people from going into the disaster zone.

"I threw myself on the floor, lifted my hands up and begged God," she said, adding she was told to just have faith that the boy got out.

Instead, he is among at least 115 killed in the blaze, with more than 1,000 still missing.

"I wish I could've made more memories with him," said his brother, Josue Garcia Vargas.

"He was too young. If he still had time. I know he would've been a very, very, very good man."
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Just to review, the local government in Maui didn't use the sirens to alert residents to the fire, didn't allow access to water to put out the fire, and blocked the only exits out of town.

This is one of the great scandals in American history.
 
DarthOne said:
Parents find remains of teen son hugging dead dog in Maui home destroyed by wildfire
nypost.com

Parents find remains of teen son hugging dead dog in Maui home destroyed by wildfire

Grieving parents found the body of their 14-year-old son, and then carried him around half a mile to a police station to be confirmed among the dead.
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Just to review, the local government in Maui didn't use the sirens to alert residents to the fire, didn't allow access to water to put out the fire, and blocked the only exits out of town.

This is one of the great scandals in American history.
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Damn...that's about the same age as my son.
 
DarthOne said:
Parents find remains of teen son hugging dead dog in Maui home destroyed by wildfire
nypost.com

Parents find remains of teen son hugging dead dog in Maui home destroyed by wildfire

Grieving parents found the body of their 14-year-old son, and then carried him around half a mile to a police station to be confirmed among the dead.
nypost.com nypost.com



Just to review, the local government in Maui didn't use the sirens to alert residents to the fire, didn't allow access to water to put out the fire, and blocked the only exits out of town.

This is one of the great scandals in American history.
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Some people need to be on the end of a rope
 
The blocking if the exit was because a power company was working on powerlines and had no idea.
From a distance you may think the local fire fighters will put the fire out until its too late...
 
This ad from American Airlines for cut rate trips to Maui was before the fires.

BlackRock owns 31.5 million shares of American Airline Group stock. Sure makes you wonder.


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Rocinante said:
I'm not sure why a travel ad is relevant?
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I guess trying to argue that this is one big conspiracy because they are trying to milk the destruction I guess?
Idk.
The Ad mentions both Honolulu and Maui. The two largest tourist spots in Hawaii
 
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