More than 30 killed in Maui as wildfire wipes town of Lahaina off the map ... the videos of the devastation are unreal
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...yall do know the stuff we are sending to Ukraine is DoD funds right? They arnt funds they can just send anywhere...
Like fucking hell.
It's a Democrat state, that is SOLID blue. They didn't need to start a forest fire to get that land.
Like fucking hell.
It's a Democrat state, that is SOLID blue. They didn't need to start a forest fire to get that land.
Those other methods would cost a lot more money, and you have no idea how many people socialists would murder in the name of utopia.
Just because some guy in a suit says "Nope can't give money" doesn't make it morally right.
How come infinite funds can go to foreign and questionable DoD projects, but a pittance goes to actual Americans?
Exactly this
Most of what is going to Ukraine is already bought and paid for Cold War surplus.
But little tidbits like that don't matter to those who want to use any domestic incident as 'why are we helping Ukraine and not X', even if X is in no way related to Ukraine's aid.
Like, I never see you guys asking why we should continue to fund oil subsidies to protect the profit margians of oil companies, or the corn susbsidies to put high fructose corn syrup in everything, which take up a lot more cash in the US economy than the DoD does.
We've sent more than $130bn in aid. Now we are sending jets, tanks and cluster munitions.
The "it's just cold war junk" line doesn't add up. Nor does the "it's just a few billion, it's a drop in the bucket" line that used to get floated around.
And as time goes on, we will continue sending more supplies and money. To a foreign government in the other side of the world that makes no difference here in the US. Just to prop up the military industrial complex and line the pockets of billionaires and defense contractors.
All while pushing Russia into China's arms and making their alliance more powerful. It'll be great when they invade that pesky little island off their border and them and Russia can back each other.
Most of the material aid is, though; outside some newer bits like the Switchblade systems and some of the optics, most stuff being sent is Desert Storm vintage and older. Most newer stuff simply has too many bits we don't want to risk Russia/China capturing.
The aid on the financial side is still less than we spend as a nation on fucking oil and corn subsidies, and those are bigger parts of the US domestic economy than even the MIC is.
Why must money for domestic stuff come from cutting DoD funding and aid, instead cutting subsidies of the corpo's who are actually screwing over US civies domestically?
Why not both?
Because Russia has gone retarded (including rhetoric about retaking Alaska now in some media), the CCP are not shy about their designs on Taiwan, the Kim family are insane, the Ayatollah keeps trying to close the Straights of Hormuz, the border needs Army Guard units protecting it as much as CBP officers, the Coast Guard/Corp of Engineers is a direct help to US civies in peace time, and most of all because military tech/production edge, once lost, is very hard to regain without massive loss of life beforehand.
The world is not a kind place to those who fall behind the curve militarily, that has been a lesson throughout the ages and across the planet, including in Hawaii itself less than a century ago.
Cutting corn and oil subsidies will not endanger the lives the same sorts of cuts to the DoD and/or aid for Ukraine will.
You just brought up a bunch of different leaders and potential conflicts to explain to me why we should send tanks, jets and minutions while spending billions in Ukraine.
But I don't really care if Ukraine becomes part of Russia.
Anyway, diffrent thread, my bad for the derail.
I still doubt this was a plan by the dems.
They may be taking advantage of it though.
@Rocinante @Bacle we can move that conversation to a Ukraine thread
I still doubt this was a plan by the dems.
They may be taking advantage of it though.
@Rocinante @Bacle we can move that conversation to a Ukraine thread
But I want to hear about how M113's and DPICM could be used better in Maui than Ukraine.
It's not just you though; the post above your first was/is the first to try to make it a 'aid Hawaii or Ukraine' issue.
When people who complain about Ukraine fucking up every thread also like to use meme's at Ukraine's expense as arguments for 'non-Ukraine' topics, it shows that what they want is the ability to dunk on and spit on Ukraine when they want, but not have to see the topic in ways they don't like outside the 'containment' threads.
It's a blatant double standard they want to force; meme's at Ukraine's expense are fine outside the containment threads, pushback against them is not, is what it seems like a lot of the time.
113's ironically might have been of some use trying to protect residents, due to the CBRN gear they can have onboard in some models.But I want to hear about how M113's and DPICM could be used better in Maui than Ukraine.
Bassoe
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When either through incompetence or malice the police set up a roadblock preventing civilians from escaping the fire, they’d have had a much harder time of it if the citizens had an arsenal of Cold War leftovers.But I want to hear about how M113's and DPICM could be used better in Maui than Ukraine.
No the M113's would be used by the Maui authorities of course.
And the GMLRS to create a firebreak to protect the Smart Side of Town.
And yet y'all would still be complaining.
It's a pretty fair comparison to bring up that our president has sent 130bn to Ukraine with no problem, plans to send more, with at least 30bn more set aside...but wants to send $700 to our own people in a crisis.
We can bring up other mass spending, too. He tried to illegally forgive student loans to bail out the upper middle class, but sends $700 a person to people who just lost everything they ever had.
It's about how he is super happy to spend money, but when it comes to Americans that just lost their livlihood? That just lost family, pets and everything they ever owned? Here's $700, scrub.
It's about way more than just Ukraine. You yourself even brought up zome examples with other subsidies.
The point is that the Biden admin is happy to spend billions or even trillions of dollars. Hundreds of billions even, to other countries. But he offers crumbs to suffering Americans.
We can, of course. Any time Ukraine gets brought up it spins into a derail, even if it's related to the topic, as it was in this case as a fair comparison of spending.
That said, so far we have what?
3 fires started at once in perfect conditions
Authorities blocked water
Police blocked roadways
Somehow rich people's housing was all fine
There were previous meetings about turning this area into a 15 minute city
I heard rumors of melted metal next to unburnt wood, but idk how true that is.
Stuff is just adding up to be really weird.