More than 30 killed in Maui as wildfire wipes town of Lahaina off the map ... the videos of the devastation are unreal

Rocinante

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NTB has lots of links to tweets to see the utter devastation.

Also points out that with no evidence whatsoever, NYT is blaming climate change.

And the conspiracy part of my brain finds is suspicious that this was 3 different fires on the same island at the same time, but I'll just leave it there.

I thought "Maui Wowwie" was supposed to be a weed strain.
 

Rocinante

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More wildfires starting...all at the same time.

Something more is happening here.

I suspect covid didn't work, so this is the new panic to create fear.

Not going to be surprised if they end up blaming the UAPs. Steven Greer has been going on all summer about how a false flag UAP attack is in the works. I'd bet that by the end of the year we hear from a whistleblower about this.
 

Zyobot

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Well, there's definitely something "odd" about all these wildfires springing up one after another lately.

On the chance we have solid evidence for a conspiracy, then the perpetrators deserve not only a conviction, but also to be sued or have their assets seized to pay off all the people whose lives have been destroyed. And if some politicians go to jail and get their estates liquidated to compensate the victims, then so be it.
 

DarthOne

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Well, there's definitely something "odd" about all these wildfires springing up one after another lately.

On the chance we have solid evidence for a conspiracy, then the perpetrators deserve not only a conviction, but also to be sued or have their assets seized to pay off all the people whose lives have been destroyed. And if some politicians go to jail and get their estates liquidated to compensate the victims, then so be it.
And how many lanes do you want that bridge to Hawaii to have?
 

Zyobot

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And how many lanes do you want that bridge to Hawaii to have?

As many as it takes.

Really, I wouldn't mind if the Hawaiian forest-management authorities were investigated and dragged in front of Congress to answer for this. Even if the politicians ordered it, they couldn't have done it alone, so whoever they might've dispatched to actually set it ablaze needs a conviction and everything they have seized, too.
 

The Whispering Monk

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As many as it takes.

Really, I wouldn't mind if the Hawaiian forest-management authorities were investigated and dragged in front of Congress to answer for this. Even if the politicians ordered it, they couldn't have done it alone, so whoever they might've dispatched to actually set it ablaze needs a conviction and everything they have seized, too.
My understanding is that it's not so much the wildlife management, since native flora is somewhat resistant. It's the large properties and home owners bringing in other grass to make their lawns look pretty. When those get dry, they BURN extremely well. That and the really strong winds that were very persistent that spread the fires so rapidly.
 

Husky_Khan

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Yeah seems like the working cause is the excessive winds in a very dry environment felled powerlines which might've caused the initial brushfires which spread very rapidly through Lahaina.
 

DarthOne

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I’m hearing rumors that the government is planning to buy up the area that was burned and had, even befall this happened, had plans of using the area for their concentration camps 15- minute cities.
 

Typhonis

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I’m hearing rumors that the government is planning to buy up the area that was burned and had, even befall this happened, had plans of using the area for their concentration camps 15- minute cities.
Sounds like it is ready made for them to do that now.
 

LordsFire

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I’m hearing rumors that the government is planning to buy up the area that was burned and had, even befall this happened, had plans of using the area for their concentration camps 15- minute cities.
That sounds like the sort of hyper-political rumor that often crops up in the immediate aftermath. It's not impossible it's true, but I'd wait a few weeks or months for evidence to emerge before giving it any credence.
 

The Whispering Monk

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Oh, there are definitely scummy people trying to buy up lots of burned out land already. I've read a couple articles on it. No definite link to anything aside from the typical profiteering on the backs of misfortune.

"I'll give you money for your property so you can get out of here." Then I'll build a bigass commercial disctrict and rake in the dough!
Last part is just likely in their head.
 

Bacle

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I saw a report the governor has put a freeze on land sales on Maui, at least to people not from the islands already.

It seems like they more just want to keep scalpers from trying to do fire-sales or out of state interests bullying grieving and/or displaced land owners.

That may have been misreported as 'governor seizes land' by certain groups.
 

Sir 1000

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I saw a report the governor has put a freeze on land sales on Maui, at least to people not from the islands already.

It seems like they more just want to keep scalpers from trying to do fire-sales or out of state interests bullying grieving and/or displaced land owners.

That may have been misreported as 'governor seizes land' by certain groups.
Cue Governors buddies getting excellent deals in 3.2.1.......
 

DarthOne

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I’m hearing rumors that the government is planning to buy up the area that was burned and had, even befall this happened, had plans of using the area for their concentration camps 15- minute cities.

That sounds like the sort of hyper-political rumor that often crops up in the immediate aftermath. It's not impossible it's true, but I'd wait a few weeks or months for evidence to emerge before giving it any credence.


Hawaiian official M. Kaleo Manuel refused to release water in Maui as the fire raged

Manuel is deputy director of the Department of Land and Natural Resources

Here he is explaining that water should be revered, not used:

In Maui the rumour is 500-1000 dead, with many of them children because schools were closed due to hurricane winds and parents weren't able to get home in time.

source (@0:45):


Probably just a coinky-dink that the fires only damaged areas that globalists wanted to start dystopian "smart cities" in…

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Of course they are denying the whole thing...

No, Hawaii fires weren't set intentionally to turn Maui into a 'smart island'

IF YOUR TIME IS SHORT

Officials have not determined the cause of wildfires that have killed dozens of people in Hawaii, but there's been no public evidence they were set intentionally.
  • The urban planning concept of smart cities was among many topics discussed at a January technology conference in Maui. None of the research papers presented at the conference discussed turning Maui into a "smart island."
See the sources for this fact-check
The wildfires in Maui, Hawaii, had killed 96 people as of Aug. 14, making it the deadliest U.S. blaze in the past 100 years.

Many social media users are spreading baseless conspiracy theories about the origin of the fires, which began Aug. 8, saying they were set intentionally by the government for nefarious reasons.

The narrator in one Aug. 11 Instagram video speculated about what started the fire, saying the island looked like a bomb went off. He tried to tie the fires to other common subjects about conspiracy theories: smart cities, electric vehicles and artificial intelligence.

"The governor did say this is climate change doing this. Interesting. What they don't talk about is in January how they had in Maui a smart city conference to turn Maui into an entire smart island, changing everything to electric, renewables, solar panels and pushing everybody into electric vehicles — 15-minute smart cities," he said.

"So, now what's also interesting is next month in September, Hawaii is hosting the digital government summit, utilizing AI to govern the island. Hm … It's almost like they're resetting something to start rebuilding for this."

This post was flagged as part of Meta's efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Meta, which owns Facebook and Instagram.)

PolitiFact recently debunked an Instagram post featuring a video by the same speaker, who used a 2018 fire photo to falsely claim the Hawaii fires were started by the government using a direct energy weapon.

This video uses several real or planned events to baselessly suggest the Hawaii fires were purposely set so the government can remake the island. We found other social media posts making similar claims about the fires and smart cities.

Officials have not yet determined the Hawaii fires' cause, but officials have said extremely dry conditions and strong winds hastened their spread. The power company Hawaiian Electric is facing two lawsuits alleging that its downed power lines started the blaze, the Honolulu Star-Advertiser reported.

Officials have not suggested that foul play is involved in the fires.

First, what are 15-minute smart cities?
The video referred to"15-minute smart cities," but those are two distinct urban planning concepts.

There is no universal definition of a smart city, but the concept generally refers to cities that use technology to collect information to help cities run more efficiently, such as improving traffic flow, tracking gunshots to help fight crime or tracking air quality.

The 15-minute city is a separate urban planning concept that proposes that cities should be designed so that residents' basic needs can be met within a short walk or bike ride from their homes. Some proponents use the same concept but refer to it as a 20-minute city.

Both concepts have been the target of conspiracy theories that falsely allege they are government plots to control citizens by limiting their travel or tracking their movements or habits.

A smart city conference?
No, there wasn't a "smart city conference" in Maui, though the concept was among many topics discussed at a conference there in January.

The post shares a screenshot of a 2022 call for papers for the 2023 Hawaii International Conference on System Sciences. The conference has been held annually in the state since 1968. Scholars from more than 60 countries meet there to exchange ideas on a wide variety of topics in information technology management.​


Though their denials boil down to 'well, there's no PROOF that the fires were set intentionally to create smart cities, trust the fact checkers and experts (who are decided on by their willingness to regurgitate whatever the political establishment says)!'

Or in other words: "According to figures we control and won't share the actual metrics for, we're totally correct and you're wrong"
 

DarthOne

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Why Is There Such A Frenzy To Buy Up The Properties That Were Just Burned Down During The Fires In Hawaii?


Can you imagine calling up a family that has just seen their home burn to the ground and offering to buy their land for below market value? This is apparently happening in Hawaii right now on a massive scale. Grieving property owners are being bombarded with calls from very greedy people, and I think that says a lot about the current state of our society. We literally worship material possessions and financial gain, and the sheer greed that we are witnessing at this moment is absolutely staggering.




Lahaina was hit harder than anywhere else by the fires, and it turns out that property owners in the area have been getting pressured to sell for a long time.

So now that disaster has struck, those that wish to get their hands on these prime properties are in a feeding frenzy. One local resident made headlines all over the world after she posted a video about this…

Filming herself in the recent video, the Hawaii resident said: 'I am so frustrated with investors and realtors calling the families who lost their home, offering to buy their land.
'How dare you do that to our community right now. If you are a victim and they are calling you, please get their business name so we can put them on blast,' she added.
She claims in the clip that she 'personally' knows 'multiple families' that were 'offered money from investors and realtors'.

When 2020 began, the average home in Lahaina was worth about $600,000.

Today, the average home in Lahaina is worth about a million dollars.

Now there is a race to take advantage of those that have just had their homes burned down, and it has gotten so bad that even Hawaiian Governor Josh Green is speaking out against it

Hawaiian officials are warning residents that unscrupulous investors are trying to take advantage of the fire disaster on Maui to take over properties.
Gov. Josh Green reported that residents are being approached about selling fire-damaged home or land sites by people posing as real estate agents.
He said those people may have "ill intent" and issued a warning to scammers.
"You would be pretty poorly informed if you try to steal land from our people and then build here," Green said in a press release Monday.

A lot of people applauded Green for taking a stand like that.

But does he have another motive?

Green has been captured on video saying that he is "already thinking of ways for the state to acquire that land"

The Hawaiian governor Josh Green revealed plans for the state to potentially purchase properties in the seaside town of Lahaina, which was devastated by the deadliest wildfire in modern U.S. history.
"I'm already thinking of ways for the state to acquire that land so that we can put it into workforce housing, to put it back into families, or make it open spaces in perpetuity as a memorial to the people who were lost,"
Green commented amid the ruins.
Wow.

There it is.

Apparently Green has his own plans for these properties.



We will just have to wait and see what those plans are.

Meanwhile, it is being reported that the police chief on Maui just happens to be the exact same guy that was "the incident commander" during the horrific mass shooting in Las Vegas in 2017…

Maui Police Chief John Pelletier is no stranger to responding to mass tragedy. Nearly six years before disaster struck in the form of wildfires that ripped through parts of the island and killed at least 99 people, he was on the ground in the aftermath of the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.
Pelletier was named chief of the the Maui Police Department in 2021 after more than two decades working in Las Vegas. On Oct. 1, 2017, Pelletier was the incident commander covering the Strip when a gunman unleashed a hail of bullets on a country music festival, killing 58 people and injuring hundreds more.

That is one heck of a coincidence.

And it is also being reported that Pelletier "earned a certificate in criminal justice from the FBI academy in 2019".

So he has ties to the feds.

Just when you think that this story cannot possibly get any stranger, somehow it does.

After being greatly criticized for lounging on a beach while the tragedy in Hawaii was unfolding, we are being told that Joe Biden is now "considering" a trip to see the devastation.

Amid growing evidence of the devastation wildfires have wrought in Maui, the White House Tuesday gave the first public indication that President Biden will visit Hawaii.
White House Principal Deputy Press Secretary Olivia Dalton confirmed that officials were considering an in-person trip, after Biden took heat for his terse 'no comment' on Hawaii even while the scope of the tragedy was coming into view.
The president was staying at his Delaware beach house at the time.

Come on man.

I know that Biden doesn't like to make trips like this, but this is what the American people expect.

It is part of the job.

The Biden administration also angered a lot of people when it was announced that households that have been affected by the fires would only be getting a one time emergency aid payment of $700

President Joe Biden is facing renewed criticism for his response to the devastating wildfires on the Hawaiian island of Maui after offering victims $700 per household in emergency aid.
Political opponents and commentators described the sum as "insulting" and compared it with the more than $113 billion-worth of aid the U.S. has sent to Ukraine as it defends itself against an ongoing Russian invasion.

Seriously?

After all that we have done for Ukraine, that is the best that we can do for people that have lost everything?

Of course somehow there is always more than enough money for Ukraine. In fact, we are about to send them a gigantic military aid package for the 44th time since the war began

For the 44th time, the ruling class of the United States has decided to continue to prolong the war and send military equipment to Ukraine. The Pentagon has announced a $200 million weapons package for Kiev.
This newest round of equipment will include artillery rounds, dozens of tactical vehicles, and mine-clearing gear.

We are at such a critical turning point, and we desperately need solid leadership in the White House.

But instead we have Joe Biden and his minions.

Biden is literally the worst president in the entire history of the United States, and that is saying a lot because we have had some real whoppers in modern times.

Now that there has been so much public pressure, I think that Biden will feel compelled to go visit Lahaina.

Unfortunately, Biden will need to make many more trips like this, because a lot more major disasters are on the way.
 

Husky_Khan

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Saw this dude on the television news yesterday at work. Archie Kalepa. A 'Waterman' and lifeguard he was away from home training people in water rescue back in Lake Tahoe when the wildfires broke out. The cul-de-sac where his home was located was miraculously saved from being burned down thanks to the efforts of local firefighters and neighbors and now he's using his boating experience to shuttle supplies to the island, with his neighborhood as the collection point.

He's been helping marshal an army of volunteers and private giving to support the humanitarian efforts going on.



Recently he gave tours of his efforts to former Hawaiian Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard.


 

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