Edgeplay_cgo
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GB is the NATO designation for Sarin.
The Americas Mexican trouble
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Edgeplay_cgo
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If Congress authorizes the use of the military, or POTUS does by Executive Order, then Possee Comitatus does not apply. Arguably, defense of the United States against invasion, is the essential military function.
ShieldWife
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As would I. In fact, I think that the elite's control over the USA is too complete for them to truly be opposed democratically. So the options are likely what you describe above or the eventual elimination of the USA in all but name, if even that.
Radical, I know, but as far as I'm concerned no government which fails to protect the nation's borders is legitimate.
UltimatePaladin
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That's a war crime.
As far as I am aware, Mexico has decriminalized drug usage to a certain extent, but not fully.
| Opium | 2 gr. | |
| Diacetylmorphine or Heroin | 50 mg | |
| Cannabis Sativa, Indica or Marijuana | 5 gr. | |
| Cocaine | 500 mg | |
| Lisergida (LSD) | 0.015 mg | |
| Powder, granulate or crystal | Tablets or capsules | |
| MDA, Methylenedioxyanfetamine | 40 mg | A unit weighing no more than 200 mg. |
MDMA, dl-34-methylenedioxy-n-dimethylphenylethylamine | 40 mg | A unit weighing no more than 200 mg. |
| Methamphetamine | 40 mg | A unit weighing no more than 200 mg. |
Personally, I'm not sure what the right course of action would be to take. Certainly, I think that the United States coming down on the Cartels is in order, but beyond that?
I used to think that a two-pronged solution was in order - legalizing recreational drug use (cutting down a source of funding for the Cartels or forcing them to behave more like a business versus a criminal organization if they decide to try and switch over.) Then following it up with further criminalization of illegal or unsafe drug manufacturing or sales. The intent being a push/pull strategy to establish and enforce a new set of rules, using them to weaken the Cartels (who make half of their money from marijuana sales alone.) Push, because illegal manufacturing and sales are now both increasingly risky and unprofitable*. Pull, because the legal means of sale and manufacturing are plainly superior to their illegal predecessors, in terms of price, regulation, and quality control.
However, doing some additional research on the topic I found that one of the cities most known for decriminalization (Amsterdam) has been suffering problems because of their stance. Typically those related to violent crime and - allegedly - the importation and creation of new criminal industries due to decriminalizing drug use. Now, the optimist in me wants to say that this is because this is decriminalization (reducing penalties and punishments for a crime) instead of legalization (making something legal and regulating it.) However, I don't feel that I know enough to make a decision one way or another anymore.
*Legalizing the use of illegal drugs has often been compared to the repeal of Prohibition. Curious, I decided to look at an often ignored statistic of pre-Prohibition and post-Prohibition: alcohol prices. The only source I found (an edition of Popular Science from the 1930s) suggested that the prices were doubled. Hypothetically, a legal industry that produced recreational drugs would be able to do so at reduced prices - undercutting their criminal competition whilst also offering increased safety measures and accountability in the court of law.
Depends. Arguably, that's the case for active (Federal) military forces. National Guard (and I would presume State Guard) units are exempt from this restriction when operating under the direction of the Governor, however.
It's a murky area, though. The Posse Comitatus act primarily refers to civil and criminal law enforcement in a State, (implied, I believe, for the citizens in that state.) Using Federal Troops to guard the border against (presumably) foreign citizens, with support from domestic law enforcement agencies/National Guard to handle Americans... I don't know. As I said, it's a murky area.
I can tell you that if Trump chooses to interpret that situation as legal, he will be challenged by the Democrats. Not sure how that would play out, but he will be challenged. By the State Governments as well, depending on whether or not he decides to move forces in with or without their consent.
I think that legalizing drugs might hurt the Cartels, but I don't think it would end them. They would presumably have a bunch of money left over they could use to diversify their assets as you said. They wouldn't be anywhere near where they are today, but they wouldn't be gone. Part of why my initial thoughts were a two-pronged solution involving legalization (to weaken the Cartels) and then armed force to wipe them out afterward.
Unlikely.
They've diversified greatly over the past decade or so. They have interests in/revenue streams from illegal iron mines that sell to China, avacodo farms that sell to everyone, their old standby prostitution, and providing drugs within Mexico itself.
Legalizing nearly every drug (fuck PCP and krocidile) would hurt them and limit thier ability to grow further in the US, but it won't be anything close to a death blow.
CarlManvers2019
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Plus they had time and resources to grow, even when regulated, odds are NO ONE in the USA can exceed them in-terms of producing more and better drugs
And they can probably easily bribe government officials when it comes to working conditions for prostitutes
I'm absolutely sure the big pharma can make drugs in more pure, safe, and guaranteed to not be mixed up with random crap form, and produce them in industrial quantities.
What i'd worry about is that cartels can still make them cheaper and available even to people who won't be allowed (or can't afford) to have them legally.
At this point, no. They have grown powerful enough to parasite on any industry they like in their power centers, and even the government, in addition to controlling most, if not all major non drug based illegal activities. They don't just have resources to diversify, they are already doing it since a long time.
Some examples:
Cartel culture – Mexico’s war against illegal mining
Mexico’s organised crime epidemic has infiltrated the mining industry to an unprecedented extent, making mining in Mexico anything but ‘business as usual’. So why are Cartels, more commonly associated with drug trade, switching to iron ore, and at what expense?
www.mining-technology.com
Kirstjen Nielsen: Cartels make $500 million a year from smuggling illegals into U.S.
Smuggling cartels are making at least $500 million a year bringing migrants into the U.S., Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen told Congress on Tuesday, outlining the scope of the problem for lawmakers as illegal border crossings continue to surge.
www.washingtontimes.com
Also, as i said, drugs, even made legal, but with reasonable taxation (to pay for the security and healthcare fallout of making them legal), regulation and so on, may well leave a part of the market to the cartels - much like in many countries illegal alcohol and tobacco trade are still a massive business, even though these things are legal and available in every major store.
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@ShieldWife I look at it in a state of resignation. Would that we all die defending the constitution! But if it is lost, irrevocably lost, if we are unworthy of the freedom and liberty of our ancestors and no longer able to maintain a Republic of Virtue... Better Empire than a broken ruin dominated by foreign powers.
Liberterrarium
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Big pharma could make a McDonalds-like chain, and others could have Mom and Pop style operations which already exist for drugs like weed. It would make for an interesting "buy American" campaign.
Only the Army & Air Force, the USMC & Navy can enforce the border no problem.
The USMC is already guarding Heaven's Gates, anyways.
What, they all died?
No, but if a Marine dies & didn't receive a dishonorable discharge, they are put on guard duty until after the end times.
Marine guarding Heaven's Gates looks forward to growing beard after apocalypse
HEAVEN — A Marine charged with standing post at Heaven's main gate says he can't wait until the Apocalypse destroys all of creation so he can finally leave the service and grow a beard, sources confirmed today. Lance Cpl. George Yanosy, who in his corporeal form was killed fighting somewhere for...
www.duffelblog.com
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Death and the Drug War ❧ Current Affairs
<p>Facing up to our responsibility and thinking through solutions…</p>
www.currentaffairs.org
Drugs are a serious issue, I don't think there's any real idea though how to deal with it: I'm also starting to think legalization is going to be a much less effective solution: especially if "legalization" is pared with an understanding of "moral approval".
CarlManvers2019
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Death and the Drug War ❧ Current Affairs
<p>Facing up to our responsibility and thinking through solutions…</p>
Drugs are a serious issue, I don't think there's any real idea though how to deal with it: I'm also starting to think legalization is going to be a much less effective solution: especially if "legalization" is pared with an understanding of "moral approval".
Plus, I guess the Cartels won’t even bother paying taxes or making sure the drugs are safe to consume or NOT made in really dirty conditions
It has to be the uniform of a recognized state. Not only that, but any claim of legitimacy is subject to verification. That's why every nation's armed forces wears dog tags and has some other form of photo ID.
Leaving that aside, the United States has never signed those conventions and has reserved the right to take up or discard at will any of the provisions that it follows as a matter of courtesy.
It'll be like LA and NO at first, with the people who are used to shooting at cops finding out that shooting at Soldiers and Marines is an entirely different kettle of fish. The real solution, IMO, is to grant JSOC its greatest Christmas wish and let go of the leash so they can take care of business in Mexico. Nothing like 50,000 commandos giving your country a thorough cleansing to make you reevaluate your life choices.
Mexico cannot. It's in their Constitution. Politicians, judges, and prosecutors are already assassinated on the regular by the cartel. We're either going to have to declare war or do an Iraq (irregular warfare on an industrial scale) to clean that place up, but either way Mexico is going to be drowning in its own blood. And what's worse, to avoid yet another repeat a few decades down the road, we're going to have to annex the place.
Edgeplay_cgo
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We don't want it, and can't afford to build the place. Germany is still suffering from the annexation of the Osties. Noe of South Korea's biggest fears is that NORK will collapse, and they'll have to absorb it.
