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[LordsFire]

They will be called Baby Killers

At least most sympathetically, they would be likened to the Poor Men fighting a Rich Man's War

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there complaints even when soldiers are sent to fight over there?

They'll be called all sorts of things by the left. A few of those things might even have a vague relation to the truth.

It's entirely possible to equip such border guards with tear gas and the like as well as their more standard lethal equipment, you know.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

They'll be called all sorts of things by the left. A few of those things might even have a vague relation to the truth.

It's entirely possible to equip such border guards with tear gas and the like as well as their more standard lethal equipment, you know.

Well, it doesn't help that there are those among them willing to rush onward even when the guards say they WILL shoot

Unfortunately, that stuff can be edited to make the guards look like a bunch of trigger happy mass murderers

And who knows, it may even vary from soldier to soldier on whose got the least instinct to suddenly start shooting

I feel that your soldiers will come home, with lots of discrimination and accusation

 

[Eagle 1945]

*What my Great Grandfather, a Texas National Guardsman who manned the border in 1916, is probably saying in heaven.*

Spoiler: Big Image

So, how much worse do you guys think it's going to get before the news media starts saying "Civil War"? I mean, Mexico's kind of already there, but I think its going to take a lot before people start admitting that the situation has gotten to that point.

 

[LordsFire]

Well, it doesn't help that there are those among them willing to rush onward even when the guards say they WILL shoot

Unfortunately, that stuff can be edited to make the guards look like a bunch of trigger happy mass murderers

And who knows, it may even vary from soldier to soldier on whose got the least instinct to suddenly start shooting

I feel that your soldiers will come home, with lots of discrimination and accusation

If the Democrat party wants to play another round of 'we hate our soldiers,' then that's on them. Securing border integrity is the most fundamental duty of the military.

And using actual overwhelming force, would be a very quick way to shut down the flow of illegal immigrants. Having a platoon of soldiers using non-lethal measures, while very clearly also equipped with conventional fire-arms, would be a damned sure way to force compliance.

If some of those attempting to border-hop try to retaliate with force and get killed in the process, that's on them, not us.

It's sad, but failure to enforce the law is what got us to this problem in the first place. Large amounts of soldiers on the border would certainly help convince people to try in the first place.

And yes, the left would try to use any instances of actual shots fired, especially if there were fatalities, as propaganda. The hardliners on the left don't give a damn about the truth, and have proven this repeatedly. Ironically, them trying to publicize such would be useful for stemming migration in and of itself, as it'd help clue people trying to cross in to the fact that we mean business now.

 

[Edgeplay_cgo]

They might start wearing uniforms. By the looks of it, they are becoming the de facto government in parts of Mexico.

There's still the issue of following the standards and customs of war. They clearly fail that test, making them unlawful combatants, unprotected by the Geneva and Hague Conventions. Anyway, who follows the Geneva Convention anymore? We aren't in Geneva.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

There's still the issue of following the standards and customs of war. They clearly fail that test, making them unlawful combatants, unprotected by the Geneva and Hague Conventions. Anyway, who follows the Geneva Convention anymore? We aren't in Geneva.

Speaking of customs of war, I can see the Cartels as essentially using all those illegal migrants as “human shields”

The border guard will hesitate on even stopping them and will look like assholes if they even use nonlethal weaponry to drive them back

Maybe there really is an advantage to a large concrete wall, they can’t properly dig underneath it or cut it open and will have to overstay their VISA by traveling through planes or by boat

The latter in secret, especially

 

[Deleted member]

Speaking of customs of war, I can see the Cartels as essentially using all those illegal migrants as “human shields”

The border guard will hesitate on even stopping them and will look like assholes if they even use nonlethal weaponry to drive them back

Maybe there really is an advantage to a large concrete wall, they can’t properly dig underneath it or cut it open and will have to overstay their VISA by traveling through planes or by boat

The latter in secret, especially

They already more or less do by forcing them to carry drugs.

 

[Edgeplay_cgo]

I certainly think that 10-40k troops deployed to the southern border would have a distinct effect on the immigration problem.

Closer to 10, if they're deployed right. An infantry division with company sized camps having aviation support spread along the border. Fire team sized, motorized patrols with relatively liberal ROE. A rapid response airmobile platoon on call for each company. In extremis, each battalion has a battery of M777, 155mm howitzers with pre plotted firing positions. You may need to add an aviation battalion to the division to support the artillery, and to provide gunship and transport support. I haven't run the numbers. This is a minor commitment, compared to out overall defense commitment.

 

[The Original Sixth]

Closer to 10, if they're deployed right. An infantry division with company sized camps having aviation support spread along the border. Fire team sized, motorized patrols with relatively liberal ROE. A rapid response airmobile platoon on call for each company. In extremis, each battalion has a battery of M777, 155mm howitzers with pre plotted firing positions. You may need to add an aviation battalion to the division to support the artillery, and to provide gunship and transport support. I haven't run the numbers. This is a minor commitment, compared to out overall defense commitment.

A little much. Mexico is already working with Trump to close down the southern border of Mexico and anti-immigrant sentiment is growing in Mexico, even for those just passing through to the United States. Mexico is most assuredly heading for difficult times ahead, but they have the tools to address this. The United States can in theory provide military assistance to take down the hard targets, then let the Mexican Military and police force contain or eradicate the rest of the cartels.

As bad as it seems for Mexico, and it is bad, Mexico will see good things in the years to come. Between the flight of cheap labor from China to the Americas, to immense energy exports from America to Mexico, and ever inter-connected economies of Texas and northern Mexico, Mexico is going to benefit huge. Still have to deal with the cartels--and it sure as hell won't be easy, but it's something that can be addressed.

 

[Deleted member]

@The Original Sixth Mexico has already benefited tremendously despite being in a state of anarchy; the problem is that the State has not kept pace with the economic growth. That's the absurd thing about it all, most Mexicans are much more well off than they were in the 1990s even as crime and chaos spiral out of control.

 

[LordsFire]

Also, don't forget Obrador is a fairly strident socialist. That's not going to do Mexico any favors either.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Also, don't forget Obrador is a fairly strident socialist. That's not going to do Mexico any favors either.

https://www.the-sietch.com/index.php?threads/the-third-world-war-1988-aka-the-war-of-88.680/page-3#post-18258

This series will occur IRL, more than 32 years late

I bet that the Socialists would rather go after “the Real Criminals” rather than the ones who’d more likely shoot back

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

They will be called Baby Killers

At least most sympathetically, they would be likened to the Poor Men fighting a Rich Man's War

The soldiers already get called baby killers, and the rhetoric of poor men fighting the rich man's war is so overused, everyone expects it in any anti-war screed.

 

[Deleted member]

The soldiers already get called baby killers, and the rhetoric of poor men fighting the rich man's war is so overused, everyone expects it in any anti-war screed.

I rarely use memes like this but the antiwar movement has been pitifully consistent for decades, so it’s very safe to say they are all NPCs.

 

[Marduk]

And here comes another news story fitting to this topic:

In new blow to Mexico's crime fight, judge frees suspected cartel members

MEXICO-VIOLENCE/TEPITO (PIX):In new blow to Mexico's crime fight, judge frees suspected cartel members

news.trust.org

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

And here comes another news story fitting to this topic:

MEXICO IS NOT A FAILED STATE! WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
t. MSM

 

[Scottty]

If I were a gambling man, I'd put down a little bit of cash on the speculation that said judge had been sent a private message by the Cartel. A polite suggestion, one might say, that a certain course of action could be wise...

 

[Edgeplay_cgo]

If I were a gambling man, I'd put down a little bit of cash on the speculation that said judge had been sent a private message by the Cartel. A polite suggestion, one might say, that a certain course of action could be wise...

Plata o plombo.

 

[Marduk]

Speaking of which:

Failed state: Cartels parade through Guanajuato, Mexico's safest, prettiest, and most conservative state

Mexico's cartels always find ways to put on some kind of sick clown show to draw attention, and sure enough, they did so again with some sort of victory parade of vehicles through a Mexican town in the state of Guanajuato.&nbs...

www.americanthinker.com

 

[Terthna]

Speaking of which:

Failed state: Cartels parade through Guanajuato, Mexico's safest, prettiest, and most conservative state

Mexico's cartels always find ways to put on some kind of sick clown show to draw attention, and sure enough, they did so again with some sort of victory parade of vehicles through a Mexican town in the state of Guanajuato.&nbs...

www.americanthinker.com

Mexico is screwed; there's no way their leaders are going to be brave enough to ask us for help. Their plan seems to be to curl up into the fetal position, and hope that that cartels are merciful. We're just going to have to wait until the country finally collapses entirely, and then move in to pick up the pieces.